Robert Lui Incident/Contract Thread

[Newy_Tiger]

Plays the best game of his carreer then this garbage, dissapointing really.

 

[LukeH]

lui should be innocent until proven guilty, but unfortunately there's no smoke without fire. If found guilty, then he should face the full consequences of his actions. What sort of a mutt would hit not only a woman, but a pregnant woman at that??? It's like double the putridness…...
The other unfortunate side of this, if proven innocent, is that mud sticks.....

mud certainly sticks wwhen you call someone a mutt and doubly putrid as you said lui should be innocent till proven guilty.

I'm not calling him a mutt, just the actions that were alleged to have happened are that of a mutt. If he's innocent then he has nothing to worry about. The first positive step he took was to hand himself over to the police to get things out of the way rather than wait for them to come to him.

 

[supercoach]

The clubs in a really hard place they cant be seen to be dismissing domestic violence and they also have some responsibility for welfare of a young man they relocated to Sydney at a very young age a long long away from his family.

Iam confident the club will make the right call for all parties when the legal process has runs its course. Their is no excuse for domestic violence but once again after been on such a tight lease for 10 months and the release valve goes bang after such a big game on Saturday night these thing seem to happen. Anyway its a shame that such a good young footballer has put himself and the club in this position, all because the grog

 

[Yossarian]

not a good start to the offseason but in my eyes he is innocent until proven guilty. i dont believe anything that comes from the telecrap. i hope he is innocent. i think he has alot of potential in the game. we would also need to look for another halfback for depth.

News Ltd make their money out of citizens like you.

Could you expand on that a little? I thought Alien's post was reasonable enough.

 

[prattenpark]

It's all very disappointing. The charges, if proven, are reprehensible and it is highly unlikely he will play in the NRL again, with any team. The NRL will simply refuse to register him as a player.

 

[Tigerpete]

What a shame this is. I know he's innocent to proven guilty and apparently set to defend the charges but it's a blow there's no doubt there. I guess it's better it happen at the end of the season as it won't distract the club too much but the dissapointment is immense.

Hopefully the club sticks by him. Sure you can't defend the allegations or condone them but he is human, we all make mistakes. Let this one take it's course before we judge him.

 

[MGB]

It's all very disappointing. The charges, if proven, are reprehensible and it is highly unlikely he will play in the NRL again, with any team. The NRL will simply refuse to register him as a player.

Unless that player was Greg Inglis, Greg Bird, Dane Laurie, Brett Stewart (anyone else)

For the record I think if proven guilty he should be marched but having said that we live in a democracy and everyone has the right to an assumption of innocence until proven guilty.

 

[Knuckles]

Disappointing end to a great season.

I think its important that both sides be supported and looked after. Football becomes secondary in cases like these.
Just hope they can sort it out in the best way possible.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Yeah I find this more dissapointing than the loss to the Dragons - I really enjoyed watching Lui rise to a new level in the past couple of months and hoped he would continue on that path in 2011.

Lets hope it all gets worked out to a happy and just end.

 

[Glennb]

It's all very disappointing. The charges, if proven, are reprehensible and it is highly unlikely he will play in the NRL again, with any team. The NRL will simply refuse to register him as a player.

Unless that player was _**Greg Inglis, Greg Bird, Dane Laurie, Brett Stewart**_ (anyone else)

For the record I think if proven guilty he should be marched but having said that we live in a democracy _**and everyone has the right to an assumption of innocence until proven guilty**_.

Um…...you should probably take a leaf out of your own book. None of the 4 you listed above have been proven guilty in court. Brett Stewart is pending, Laurie had a prior before coming to the NRL but nothing proven subsequent.

Glenn

 

[Centaur]

Helping him and continuing to employ him do not have to be the same thing if he is guilty though.

It is funny reading you tell someone they have soapboxed enough and than watching you climb from your soapbox to your high horse though so thanks for that. But seriously it is a veryintense issue which lends itself to fervent opinion which you have proven so please play the ball and not the man so to speak

With all due respect - do you really think that if Lui is found guilty that the club will scrap his contract AND continue to offer assistance (assistance, which I might add, will cost them money).

I am sure they will do all they can up until the point that they are aware that he is guilty. For the reputation of the club and to please sponsors Lui's contract will be terminated - at that point the partnership ends. This is what my original point comes back to in regards to people saying 'there is no choice, we must get rid of him'. It just concerns me - leaving a vulnerable young adult such as Lui out in the cold.

At the end of the day it is all circumstantial - we just don't know what the end result of legal proceedings are going to be, or what exactly happened on Sunday morning. Without trying to downplay anything - it could have been anything from an accident, to a slap in the face, to (dare I say it) a beating. In the latter case he could obviously end up in the slammer, but anything less than that I would like to think that the club and fans looked at other options and considered other penalties before throwing Lui to the hounds. Just my opinion…

 

[Defiant]

I will certainly wait until all the details come out in court.

He could for example have been acting in self defence.

 

[system]

Helping him and continuing to employ him do not have to be the same thing if he is guilty though.

It is funny reading you tell someone they have soapboxed enough and than watching you climb from your soapbox to your high horse though so thanks for that. But seriously it is a veryintense issue which lends itself to fervent opinion which you have proven so please play the ball and not the man so to speak

With all due respect - do you really think that if Lui is found guilty that the club will scrap his contract AND continue to offer assistance (assistance, which I might add, will cost them money).

I am sure they will do all they can up until the point that they are aware that he is guilty. For the reputation of the club and to please sponsors Lui's contract will be terminated - at that point the partnership ends. This is what my original point comes back to in regards to people saying 'there is no choice, we must get rid of him'. It just concerns me - leaving a vulnerable young adult such as Lui out in the cold.

At the end of the day it is all circumstantial - we just don't know what the end result of legal proceedings are going to be, or what exactly happened on Sunday morning. Without trying to downplay anything - it could have been anything from an accident, to a slap in the face, to (dare I say it) a beating. In the latter case he could obviously end up in the slammer, but anything less than that I would like to think that the club and fans looked at other options and considered other penalties before throwing Lui to the hounds. Just my opinion…

I had just typed a longer and more detailed reply but it dissapeared and went to a connection error page :frowning:

To summarise we have helped and offered help to terminated players previously and it is not unheard of in the game. Even Tevita Latu was in Sharks funded support after his sacking.

I am confident in our administration as it stands and that they will make the best decision and put processes in place to benefit Robert and protect the brand

 

[Team_Tiger]

The club has responsibilities, sure, but if Lui is guilty what kind of support could/should they be providing? At the end of the day the Tigers are his employer - not his mummy and daddy.

If I belted my other half it would be unreasonable for me to expect my employer to provide my rehabilitation. That's not their job. Neither is it Humphreys, Sheens or anyone elses. He's an adult. 20 years old. The responsibility rests on his shoulders.

I come back to my previous point. We live in a democracy and he is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found not guilty, keep him on. If he is guilty, cut him.

 

[MGB]

It's all very disappointing. The charges, if proven, are reprehensible and it is highly unlikely he will play in the NRL again, with any team. The NRL will simply refuse to register him as a player.

Unless that player was _**Greg Inglis, Greg Bird, Dane Laurie, Brett Stewart**_ (anyone else)

For the record I think if proven guilty he should be marched but having said that we live in a democracy _**and everyone has the right to an assumption of innocence until proven guilty**_.

Um…...you should probably take a leaf out of your own book. None of the 4 you listed above have been proven guilty in court. Brett Stewart is pending, Laurie had a prior before coming to the NRL but nothing proven subsequent.

Glenn

Hmmmm yeah fair point, allthough Inglis pleased guilty to avoid a conviction didn't he? Bird was found guilty but then had it overturned. My point being I don't think the NRL will kick him out.

 

[Centaur]

Helping him and continuing to employ him do not have to be the same thing if he is guilty though.

It is funny reading you tell someone they have soapboxed enough and than watching you climb from your soapbox to your high horse though so thanks for that. But seriously it is a veryintense issue which lends itself to fervent opinion which you have proven so please play the ball and not the man so to speak

With all due respect - do you really think that if Lui is found guilty that the club will scrap his contract AND continue to offer assistance (assistance, which I might add, will cost them money).

I am sure they will do all they can up until the point that they are aware that he is guilty. For the reputation of the club and to please sponsors Lui's contract will be terminated - at that point the partnership ends. This is what my original point comes back to in regards to people saying 'there is no choice, we must get rid of him'. It just concerns me - leaving a vulnerable young adult such as Lui out in the cold.

At the end of the day it is all circumstantial - we just don't know what the end result of legal proceedings are going to be, or what exactly happened on Sunday morning. Without trying to downplay anything - it could have been anything from an accident, to a slap in the face, to (dare I say it) a beating. In the latter case he could obviously end up in the slammer, but anything less than that I would like to think that the club and fans looked at other options and considered other penalties before throwing Lui to the hounds. Just my opinion…

I had just typed a longer and more detailed reply but it dissapeared and went to a connection error page :frowning:

To summarise we have helped and offered help to terminated players previously and it is not unheard of in the game. Even Tevita Latu was in Sharks funded support after his sacking.

I am confident in our administration as it stands and that they will make the best decision and put processes in place to benefit Robert and protect the brand

If that is the case then fair enough.

I just thought it was unlikely that the club would want to continue any association with Lui if he was found guilty.

 

[prattenpark]

It's all very disappointing. The charges, if proven, are reprehensible and it is highly unlikely he will play in the NRL again, with any team. The NRL will simply refuse to register him as a player.

Unless that player was _**Greg Inglis, Greg Bird, Dane Laurie, Brett Stewart**_ (anyone else)

For the record I think if proven guilty he should be marched but having said that we live in a democracy _**and everyone has the right to an assumption of innocence until proven guilty**_.

Hmmmm yeah fair point, allthough Inglis pleased guilty to avoid a conviction didn't he? Bird was found guilty but then had it overturned. My point being I don't think the NRL will kick him out.

Inglis accepted responsibility, but did not plead guilty, hence no conviction recorded. Laurie's charges last year were dismissed. Bird was only allowed to return to the NRL after his conviction was quashed i.e. no conviction is recorded against Bird.

At the time of Bird's original conviction, Gallop had this to say:

"NRL chief executive David Gallop said things looked bleak for Bird to resume his football career in Australia.

Depending on the sentence and the success of any appeal, the league has the power not to register a player's contract if it believes he has brought the game into disrepute.

"Clearly, the court process isn't over and a big question mark hangs over him and his future in the game," Gallop said.

 

[LARDS]

Whether found guilty or not I hope the club stands by him.
He (and his partner) obviously need help and , if he stays in sydney, it should be provided by the club.
In the meantime I hope they have some good family and friends to provide that.
I'm assuming that its an alcohol related problem, but also there has been a lot of pressure on the kid being away from home and family for such a long time and being in a high pressure position in a first grade footy team.
Any punishment he gets should be determined by the proper forum and thats the courts.

 

[Spartan117]

I strongly believe that we should leave this one alone.

We are adding no value.

We all know where we stand.

 

[Chris]

All I know is that if Shayne Hayne did his job and penalised Smith none of this probably would have happened.I think I'll blame being screwed out of the 2010 title plus this all on Shayne Hayne.