Rookie Players Playing like Rookies

Goose

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I read all these threads on here with people blaming coaching, various individuals and every thing else.
As far as Im concerned we have played like the roster we have, we have a young inexperienced side that has shown all sorts of glimpses of their talent but have at other times been disappointing
IMO this is to be expected from this sort of side, most young players have mental lapses, switch off, over play their hand, get lazy off the ball. Most of our guys are doing this as often in line with normal young blokes, but instead of having 1,2 or 3 young blokes we have 8 or 9.

Fans generally love blokes like Gavet, Taupau and Akoula who charge into the line with vigour, but these same blokes are making more errors than an experienced player would and often lose the tackle in both attack and defence, and dont always do the work of the ball with decoys and marking blind sides and inside balls, this hurts us.

Ava bends the line, but loses concentration in defence and forgets to chase from marker alot. Not surprising for a bloke who has played only 20 first grade games, and completely normal.

Often we forget to run decoys properly and pay the price with outside man being heavily marked afterwards. Most our young blokes do this from time to time.

Guys like Moses and Brooks look like future stars, but like most young players miss tackles, go for the big play more than they should.

All rookies make rookie mistakes, and our guys are playing exactly like guys who have so few games and we are getting the inconsistency you'd expect from such a young team.

I think people severely underestimate the gap between NRL and lower grades and the average fan often underestimates the importance alot of aspects of the game that aren't so glamorous, things like work off the ball in attack and defence, sticking to systems, building pressure, winning the tackle. These are the areas where kids are generally weaker.
 
mmmm good point.
My gripe with Potter was mainly about selecting Anasta each week when we had better options IMO (I also think a few other players could have been stood down at the time given a string of poor matches). The whole Anasta vs Austin or Moses is a flogged horse but what I'm trying to say is that the Potter dislikers didn't just come out of the woodworks with the current losses, there are many things that just left some fans perplexed. No we're not coaches and no we don't know the whole story and no Potter doesn't owe us anything but this is a fan forum, some of us use it to ask questions and vent just a little.
 
@tigerbill said:
mmmm good point.
My gripe with Potter was mainly about selecting Anasta each week when we had better options IMO (I also think a few other players could have been stood down at the time given a string of poor matches). The whole Anasta vs Austin or Moses is a flogged horse but what I'm trying to say is that the Potter dislikers didn't just come out of the woodworks with the current losses, there are many things that just left some fans perplexed. No we're not coaches and no we don't know the whole story and no Potter doesn't owe us anything but this is a fan forum, some of us use it to ask questions and vent just a little.

50 and they're no longer rookies
100+ and they become first graders

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@Irvine said:
OK so how many NRL games before they are no longer considered rookies?

Although I know you are being facetious, a very successful coach once told me that it took 30 games to work out what was required and the next 50 games to develop full consistency.
 
@Goose said:
@Irvine said:
OK so how many NRL games before they are no longer considered rookies?

Although I know you are being facetious, a very successful coach once told me that it took 30 games to work out what was required and the next 50 games to develop full consistency.

I think after 2 pre-seasons and 2 full seasons in first grade (50 games) were entitled for some consistency and delivery of potential. Next year will be another bumpy ride but we should at least finish 7th-8th with a positive for and against. If we don't push the top 4 in 2016 then i think this whole development phase over the last 2 years is wasted imo.

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That is why you do not want to many rookies in your team at once ..Coach Potter resisted but injury pushed his hand ….supporters every week wanted more rookies in the side ,the call Potter can not coach because Moses was not 5/8 , bring up the rookie centres etc etc you need expierinace in the squad .
 
I guess that's why we are widely touted to be a premiership force in a couple of years, guys like Woods, Seumanufagai, Taupau will be in their prime, Brooks, Moses, Nofoaluma, Sirro should all be consistent and carving up, well hopefully…The nucleus is there and I am confident it will be realised once the new board steps in and helps clean this club into the respective entity it deserves to be.
 
I think this is right Goose.

And in a similar vein, it annoys me to see people on here extrapolating one or two errors or one or two lesser performances into conclusions of abject failure and 'they have to be sacked'. Current criticism of Galloway is a case in point. He clearly played injured yesterday, and maybe didnt have his best game - but who would have done better? When Galloway has a decent run without injury he is a very solid first grade prop who on occasions can lift to top shelf.
 
@Goose said:
@Irvine said:
OK so how many NRL games before they are no longer considered rookies?

Although I know you are being facetious, a very successful coach once told me that it took 30 games to work out what was required and the next 50 games to develop full consistency.

Looks like your mate Sirro needs more than the average number of games to figure work out how to move his feet.
 
@Irvine said:
OK so how many NRL games before they are no longer considered rookies?

3 complete seasons

I'd say around 60-70 games

You have to get over the fact that opposition sides will work out your strengths and weaknesses after season 1 and then they need to find more strengths and overcome the weaknesses that opposition coaches will find to grow as a complete footballer
 
Moses was schooled last night and I am sure he learnt something but you can not have 4 rookies leaning something every game .
 

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