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I’m far from convinced about Benji’s coaching skills but I’ll give you 2 - Sione Fainu, Starford To’a.

Both are having their best ever seasons.
Sione Fainu I thought until recently was a bit run of the mill. How wrong was I?

That guy is a beast. Love the way he plays. Really noticed his go forward when he came back on in the second half.

Agree Toa is having the best year he’s played. Geez he’s strong.
 
Sione Fainu I thought until recently was a bit run of the mill. How wrong was I?

That guy is a beast. Love the way he plays. Really noticed his go forward when he came back on in the second half.

Agree Toa is having the best year he’s played. Geez he’s strong.
Pole also has improved and prior to his injury the WTs front row was rated right up there by the pundits. Sukkar has gone along way to establishing himself as a quality second row forward under Marshall. It is not only a coach improving players but the coaching team having the vision to know what players have the improvement in them to be NRL quality.
 
We lack killer instinct.

When actually competing for the game we go into our shell in attack. When we're down by too much we play decent football direct and fast.

Then trying to get the go ahead try it's all this hesitation and sideways movement and passivity in our running.

Doueihi, seyfarth, Twal just seem to come up with a loaping run or slow up in ways that kills us.

Everybody all of a sudden starts looking around at someone else, starts doing one thing then another rather than direct and fast and building momentum. Yes, Canberra slowed the play the ball, but we allowed it by not building momentum and trying to run through the tackle.

It's so frustrating watching a big guy like Twal pull up so meekly. Run through em! Doueihi just backwards and forwards then hesitating then sideways again and we're all bunched up and they're laying on us and then seyfarth collapses into a heap again and then fainu finally gets a floating pass with three raiders right in his face. Build the set, dig in, run hard. Leave the thinking to the halves, doueihi, that's not your go.

How did this club choose Galvin over Latu as a half with their million dollar off to him? Latu is so fast and clever with the ball, he's got the best short ball I've seen from a tiger and his play is so smooth under pressure. And watching him from the sideline he's just so strong, I just kept repeating it the way he pushed away from contact and created. He is so damn good. Galvin has ability but he's so much slower in all aspects of his play. It is frightening that this club didn't recognise this and offered Galvin the million dollar contract. This is a massive oversight that needs serious reflection from the club. I get short term playing Galvin with latu's injury, but also thinking Galvin was the long term option is a scarily bad decision. Latu has everything you want in a half. He was also doing great organising out there, lots of talk and pushing players around.

Pole, Sione and May all looked excellent in defensive contact. I haven't seen that from pole before, he really hit hard.

Bird tires quickly. His play early in the stint is strong and direct and crisp, then he loses his legs a bit and gets dominated when being tackled. He's really good when fresh.

Interesting to see all the criticism of Bula on here. At the game I just felt like he was our only attacking chance outside of Latu and he was putting himself everywhere. He had uncharacteristic errors, but I thought he was one of our best.

People knocking the crowd and atmosphere and yes it was dead quiet tonight. But we're all just bundled up, not many of us there and feeling uncertain about what we're gonna see. To all those typewriter critics, how bout you get off the screens and come to a game if you want that to be different? All this whining about the venue. My kids and I love going to Campbelltown and we hardly ever see a win. You've got the big friendly islander families all having a good time behind the posts, the real proper footy fans everywhere, it's a crowd of diehards who love the club and keep turning up. Why don't you join us? I'm a Balmain and Leichhardt oval die hard as well. I'm sick of this sooking about Campbelltown.

And finally, turuva! How he doesn't make 6 line breaks a game is tribute to the quality of defensive play in the NRL. He runs so fast and and his sharp cutting around the ruck makes him so effective. He is so good early in our sets and must be one of the best in the league. What a player.
 
After losing my mind last night and reassessing this morning I'm excited for where we are heading. Right now sucks but it's clear we are 3 or 4 first graders from being a real good side.

On the api point he didn't play 80 at the Panthers because he didn't have to. Watch the 2nd half without him our line speed is almost non existent. Yeah he misses a few but it's due to him getting up and in there face no matter the size.

As sad as it is to say we are close to being a decent team. Canberra are shit hot and we looked the better team for most.

Would pay money for some red line offence though
 
Pole also has improved and prior to his injury the WTs front row was rated right up there by the pundits. Sukkar has gone along way to establishing himself as a quality second row forward under Marshall. It is not only a coach improving players but the coaching team having the vision to know what players have the improvement in them to be NRL quality.
I'm disappointed with Pole's lack of improvement. I thought being young natural progression would see him become a competent defender. Especially as he doesn't seem to lack effort or positioning in defence just seems to struggle actually tackling. Having said all that, his defence was fine last night. One game is to early to call it improvement.
 
I'm disappointed with Pole's lack of improvement. I thought being young natural progression would see him become a competent defender. Especially as he doesn't seem to lack effort or positioning in defence just seems to struggle actually tackling. Having said all that, his defence was fine last night. One game is to early to call it improvement.
Prior to his injury he played really well albeit there is room for improvement. I am a big fan and his re-signing with the club was a huge vote of confidence in our club when he could have gone to the Storm. It is a measure of his character and the type of player I want at the club.
 
We lack killer instinct.

When actually competing for the game we go into our shell in attack. When we're down by too much we play decent football direct and fast.

Then trying to get the go ahead try it's all this hesitation and sideways movement and passivity in our running.

Doueihi, seyfarth, Twal just seem to come up with a loaping run or slow up in ways that kills us.

Everybody all of a sudden starts looking around at someone else, starts doing one thing then another rather than direct and fast and building momentum. Yes, Canberra slowed the play the ball, but we allowed it by not building momentum and trying to run through the tackle.

It's so frustrating watching a big guy like Twal pull up so meekly. Run through em! Doueihi just backwards and forwards then hesitating then sideways again and we're all bunched up and they're laying on us and then seyfarth collapses into a heap again and then fainu finally gets a floating pass with three raiders right in his face. Build the set, dig in, run hard. Leave the thinking to the halves, doueihi, that's not your go.

How did this club choose Galvin over Latu as a half with their million dollar off to him? Latu is so fast and clever with the ball, he's got the best short ball I've seen from a tiger and his play is so smooth under pressure. And watching him from the sideline he's just so strong, I just kept repeating it the way he pushed away from contact and created. He is so damn good. Galvin has ability but he's so much slower in all aspects of his play. It is frightening that this club didn't recognise this and offered Galvin the million dollar contract. This is a massive oversight that needs serious reflection from the club. I get short term playing Galvin with latu's injury, but also thinking Galvin was the long term option is a scarily bad decision. Latu has everything you want in a half. He was also doing great organising out there, lots of talk and pushing players around.

Pole, Sione and May all looked excellent in defensive contact. I haven't seen that from pole before, he really hit hard.

Bird tires quickly. His play early in the stint is strong and direct and crisp, then he loses his legs a bit and gets dominated when being tackled. He's really good when fresh.

Interesting to see all the criticism of Bula on here. At the game I just felt like he was our only attacking chance outside of Latu and he was putting himself everywhere. He had uncharacteristic errors, but I thought he was one of our best.

People knocking the crowd and atmosphere and yes it was dead quiet tonight. But we're all just bundled up, not many of us there and feeling uncertain about what we're gonna see. To all those typewriter critics, how bout you get off the screens and come to a game if you want that to be different? All this whining about the venue. My kids and I love going to Campbelltown and we hardly ever see a win. You've got the big friendly islander families all having a good time behind the posts, the real proper footy fans everywhere, it's a crowd of diehards who love the club and keep turning up. Why don't you join us? I'm a Balmain and Leichhardt oval die hard as well. I'm sick of this sooking about Campbelltown.

And finally, turuva! How he doesn't make 6 line breaks a game is tribute to the quality of defensive play in the NRL. He runs so fast and and his sharp cutting around the ruck makes him so effective. He is so good early in our sets and must be one of the best in the league. What a player.
Agree with all of this except Turuva. I think he is maybe just above average and far from among the best in the league at anything. I've mentioned a few times however and seem to be on my own with this opinion.
 
It just seems with bunji, that de Silva is not in ‘his club’. And poor little bunji’s ego can’t handle anyone who is not in the bunji club! Api showed last nite he doesn’t have what it takes to play well over the 80. That is only going to get worse with his age, yet the great bunji is happy to let Tallyn leave, why???
In his age group he is easily the best hooker coming through, yet we have given up on him. I blame Richo as well, he should be keeping bunji in line. Is starts with the boys club coaching team no experience head in the group. Why, cause little bunji’s ego can’t handle it…
What a stupid post! Api was a constant threat in last night's game, is he going to get worse with age like Cameron Smith? How do you know this? Benji has this side showing fight and vast improvements but don't let the facts stop you bagging Benji. Maybe we should bring Madge back and get regular 40 point thrashings and lose the quality players we have, who are here because of Benji. Hate to break it to you but if you think TDS is better than Api and will be in a few years your bubble will be burst sooner rather than later.
 
Prior to his injury he played really well albeit there is room for improvement. I am a big fan and his re-signing with the club was a huge vote of confidence in our club when he could have gone to the Storm. It is a measure of his character and the type of player I want at the club.
He played really well in attack and has this far his whole career. I'm also pleased he re-signed because I'm still hopeful he will develop the other side of his game and become a very good front rower.
I don't read to much into that re-signing meaning more than he has chosen to stay for now, not that I'm predicting he will leave in the future. I think starting front rower on decent money at a club he is entrenched in would undoubtedly have been a better offer than bench player, likely on money that reflects the side has better options and having to relocate.
 
We lack killer instinct.

When actually competing for the game we go into our shell in attack. When we're down by too much we play decent football direct and fast.

Then trying to get the go ahead try it's all this hesitation and sideways movement and passivity in our running.

Doueihi, seyfarth, Twal just seem to come up with a loaping run or slow up in ways that kills us.

Everybody all of a sudden starts looking around at someone else, starts doing one thing then another rather than direct and fast and building momentum. Yes, Canberra slowed the play the ball, but we allowed it by not building momentum and trying to run through the tackle.

It's so frustrating watching a big guy like Twal pull up so meekly. Run through em! Doueihi just backwards and forwards then hesitating then sideways again and we're all bunched up and they're laying on us and then seyfarth collapses into a heap again and then fainu finally gets a floating pass with three raiders right in his face. Build the set, dig in, run hard. Leave the thinking to the halves, doueihi, that's not your go.

How did this club choose Galvin over Latu as a half with their million dollar off to him? Latu is so fast and clever with the ball, he's got the best short ball I've seen from a tiger and his play is so smooth under pressure. And watching him from the sideline he's just so strong, I just kept repeating it the way he pushed away from contact and created. He is so damn good. Galvin has ability but he's so much slower in all aspects of his play. It is frightening that this club didn't recognise this and offered Galvin the million dollar contract. This is a massive oversight that needs serious reflection from the club. I get short term playing Galvin with latu's injury, but also thinking Galvin was the long term option is a scarily bad decision. Latu has everything you want in a half. He was also doing great organising out there, lots of talk and pushing players around.

Pole, Sione and May all looked excellent in defensive contact. I haven't seen that from pole before, he really hit hard.

Bird tires quickly. His play early in the stint is strong and direct and crisp, then he loses his legs a bit and gets dominated when being tackled. He's really good when fresh.

Interesting to see all the criticism of Bula on here. At the game I just felt like he was our only attacking chance outside of Latu and he was putting himself everywhere. He had uncharacteristic errors, but I thought he was one of our best.

People knocking the crowd and atmosphere and yes it was dead quiet tonight. But we're all just bundled up, not many of us there and feeling uncertain about what we're gonna see. To all those typewriter critics, how bout you get off the screens and come to a game if you want that to be different? All this whining about the venue. My kids and I love going to Campbelltown and we hardly ever see a win. You've got the big friendly islander families all having a good time behind the posts, the real proper footy fans everywhere, it's a crowd of diehards who love the club and keep turning up. Why don't you join us? I'm a Balmain and Leichhardt oval die hard as well. I'm sick of this sooking about Campbelltown.

And finally, turuva! How he doesn't make 6 line breaks a game is tribute to the quality of defensive play in the NRL. He runs so fast and and his sharp cutting around the ruck makes him so effective. He is so good early in our sets and must be one of the best in the league. What a player.
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The crowds at Campbelltown have always been rubbish. Very rarely we crack 15k. Crowds were rubbish well before Richo announced we could leave there.
Actually Campbo went over 17k twice last year while Leichhardt had a couple of 7k crowds.
This year Campbo started with 13k and 12k before last night's poor turnout.
It's a bit of a forum myth that crowds won't turn up there. Crowds will turn up at both venues
if we give them something to watch and don't publicly announce we're leaving.
 
Actually Campbo went over 17k twice last year while Leichhardt had a couple of 7k crowds.
This year Campbo started with 13k and 12k before last night's poor turnout.
It's a bit of a forum myth that crowds won't turn up there. Crowds will turn up at both venues
if we give them something to watch and don't publicly announce we're leaving.
Tigers fans are like all fans - they like to follow a winning team.
 
Actually Campbo went over 17k twice last year while Leichhardt had a couple of 7k crowds.
This year Campbo started with 13k and 12k before last night's poor turnout.
It's a bit of a forum myth that crowds won't turn up there. Crowds will turn up at both venues
if we give them something to watch and don't publicly announce we're leaving.
You sure the Tigers fans go to Campbo? Or is it mostly away fans?

Either way, the winning record at the ground is atrocious.
 
Just watched a replay and if Latu starts I don’t think we concede those 3 tries. What I didn’t notice watching live was when Samuela had his try disallowed for the forward pass we actually had 4 on 2. If Romey goes to Sam or Ad we score. An origin half needs to nail those moments. Skelton giving away a penalty whilst in possession shows such a lack of discipline that isn’t Nrl standard, not to mention his fumble that they scored from. Bula had a terrible game (I hate being harsh on him) but he failed to nail his sweep plays and made some costly errors. How many times have we only used 16 players? It’s critical to get that right. So many really poor moments that cost us. Some really poor decisions by the coaching staff before & during the game. We desperately need a lock that can create in the middle not just tackle. In nearly every game this year we have competed really well for 60 odd minutes but in those other 15-20 minutes when we are off we really are off and concede so easily. I also thought last night was a great opportunity for the club to offer cheaper GA tickets but they seem to like not being able to attract crowds.
Maybe, but is scoring 2 tries with all that possession good enough ?
We cannot realistically expect to win games by scoring only 2 tries each week.
We seem tj focus on our defensive lapses, but not worry about how bad our attack is.
We are well past the halfway mark in the season, our attack should be humming, but it’s getting worse and that’s a major issue.
 
The good wingers offer something extra e.g. elite speed, aerial ability, repeat carries with tackle breaks and quick PTB, power running, acrobatics. The elite wingers often tick multiple boxes.
I don't think Turuva is particularly lacking in any of the listed areas (except acrobatics which is probably the least useful) but he is also not excelling in any either.
His strongest asset is power running but he is still not in the top 5 powerful wingers and has few other real assets with it.
Without offering that something extra he will always need those inside to create more for him rather than say JAC capitalising on more of a half chance due to his pace or Lomax with his leap and catch.
There have also been plenty of instances where I've been really unimpressed with his defence. Often he will shoot out of the line and take no-one, unnecessarily jam in, be retreating inside his own 10 or even just be so wrong footed he will just slip over. I get a lot of that comes down to what happens inside but he makes a lot of wrong decisions. He was dropped for a period at Penrith due to poor defence and it looks to remain a weakness.

Edit. This isn't to say he is not a handy player by any means. We could certainly do much worse. I just think he is very limited in how good he can be and I think the forum is already praising him to be even better than what I believe his ceiling is.
 
It just seems with bunji, that de Silva is not in ‘his club’. And poor little bunji’s ego can’t handle anyone who is not in the bunji club! Api showed last nite he doesn’t have what it takes to play well over the 80. That is only going to get worse with his age, yet the great bunji is happy to let Tallyn leave, why???
In his age group he is easily the best hooker coming through, yet we have given up on him. I blame Richo as well, he should be keeping bunji in line. Is starts with the boys club coaching team no experience head in the group. Why, cause little bunji’s ego can’t handle it…
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