hybrid_tiger
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@Goose said:
When talking of Royce's coaching record, we are dealing with facts.
Royce Simmons [Discussion]
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When talking of Royce's coaching record, we are dealing with facts.
happy_tiger
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@hybrid_tiger said:
Checkmate
@happy tiger said:
What a load of rubbish.
the comment "royce as a coach is a failure" is completely subjective.
A fact would be Royce simmons win ratio is x%
or Royce has twice (or whatever the number is) been sacked as head coach
and alike these can be drawn to form an opinion (informed) that Royce simmons is a failure.
on the other side of the coin
one could use facts such as
Royce was credited by John Lang as building the squad that won the 2003 premiership
Royce was the defence/assistant coach of the 2005 premiership
Coached 187 games at NRL far more than almost all assistants plus head coach experience in the UK in 3 separate stints.
to form the contrary opinion.
Im not saying that Royce is a great coach and I think he is a poor head coach, I think he is ok as an assistant, but would prefer others.
I do however object to people quashing others opinions by declaring there own opinions as facts, which is exactly what happened here.
Royce is a failure is an opinion not a fact.
happy_tiger
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An opinion or fact (either way who gives a noodle) which almost everyone on here shares
hybrid_tiger
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@Goose said:
Do you have any evidence of this?
@Goose said:
True. However our defense was far from great that season either, even if we did win the comp.
Royce was also our defence/assistant coach in 2006-2009.
@Goose said:
I don't see how this coaching experience is relevant. His record at Penrith was awful, only making the finals twice in seven seasons and with a win percentage of 41%. Also won a wooden spoon.
In England, he was sacked from St Helens in his second season.
@Goose said:
I was specifically speaking of facts, such as his win percentage, wooden spoon with Penrith etc. These are facts are they not?
@innsaneink said:
The match I am referring to is the 2nd encounter played at Allianz Stadium. Most of the WT players did not seem to have much attitude at all and it coincided with the rumoured departure of Heighnington and Ryan. Although it waas not publicised at the time it happened to be Sheens last match as WT coach. The attitude and effort displayed by the team was to say the least very unprofessional. I paid good money to see this match and was looking forward to it as a win would have guaranteed a semi spot for WT. The only determination shown by the team was that they would play with only 50% of normal enthusiasm. If only I knew beforehand. Not a good look for supporters. Not a good look for the club.
1974semifinal
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Keeping Simmons is a backward step. Whatever he did 7 years ago..he did 7 years ago… He tried his hand as Head Coach at Super League and I dont think that was a success. I dont think he was swamped with offers when he returned
home except Sheens...come back to the boys club and earn some comfortable money.
This man has done his time with us..it should be...close the door on your way out.
home except Sheens...come back to the boys club and earn some comfortable money.
This man has done his time with us..it should be...close the door on your way out.
andrew 474
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total clean out is what is needed , leeds , skando time to move on , if your any good you will get a job , Potter bring in the new team and turn our team around
With all this discussion about assistant coaches one thing is unclear to me;
Have West Tigers officially appointed the Assistant Coach/s. If the decision has been made is not it time to accept it and get on with 2013\. I can't see how the forum is going to change the decision. Be poistive and accept it. It reminds me when school kids give the excuse that they have not done well during the year because of the school teacher they have. Be mature to realise that your destiny is in your hands.
Have West Tigers officially appointed the Assistant Coach/s. If the decision has been made is not it time to accept it and get on with 2013\. I can't see how the forum is going to change the decision. Be poistive and accept it. It reminds me when school kids give the excuse that they have not done well during the year because of the school teacher they have. Be mature to realise that your destiny is in your hands.
@Newtown said:
Yep, aware of this now….was a terrible performance from us.
Who was coach the following week?
@hybrid_tiger said:
You miss the point completely.
There are facts to support your opinion, no doubt.
The facts that i mentioned above are also facts and they support the opposite position. You can argue relevance or add further facts, but your conclusion is still an opinion. Just like the earlier poster, his conclusion from the facts is his opinion.
It couyld easily be argued simply becoming an NRL coach means you are not a failure as a coach.
happy_tiger
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This is nuts ,you both agree on the fact that Royce is not a good head coach
Whether it is fact or opinion you agree :brick:
I want us to have a specialized defensive coach not Royce
Get us Gilly , Peter Ryan or John Muggleton
Whether it is fact or opinion you agree :brick:
I want us to have a specialized defensive coach not Royce
Get us Gilly , Peter Ryan or John Muggleton
@innsaneink said:
What I was bangining on about endlessly weeks back…...this is why Melb are so successful
While we were farting around arguing between the board and trying to "ensure we get the right rookie coach"...Bellamy and co were learning new things from experts
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Melbourne Storm coach Craig Bellamy scours the planet in search for sporting excellence
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CRAIG Bellamy will scour the earth looking for an edge.
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Take last week, when the premiership coach had dinner inside the sprawling English mansion of Australian Formula One ace Mark Webber.
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Days earlier, Bellamy had talked shop with a team of sports scientists from the British Olympic team.
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He also spent time looking over the incredible facilities at the St George's Park Football Complex in London, worth an estimated £105 million.
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And why?
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**<big>"Because the moment you stand still, someone passes you by," said Bellamy</big>**, who returned on Wednesday.
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Already regarded among league's smartest minds, Bellamy has just spent an exhaustive fortnight on a European fact-finding mission that involved meetings with everyone from Red Bull Racing and Saracens rugby club to renowned English motivational speaker Frank Dick.
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The Melbourne coach was even on hand when Clermont Auvergne, a French rugby side, racked up their 42nd consecutive home win.
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Yet undoubtedly the most interesting meeting was his dinner invitation to Rookery House, the traditional UK manor owned by the most successful Canberra Raiders ball boy in history.
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Back when Webber was running sidelines for the Green Machine, Bellamy was toiling away as a player. And while the Red Bull driver has a long-standing friendship with current Raiders coach David Furner, he was also extremely keen to talk all things sport with the Storm boss.
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"The thing Mark Webber really emphasised is that, at Red Bull, he's one of two drivers," Bellamy explained. "But behind him, there are another 600 people - mechanics and so on - who are all working together on race day. And to get across that finish line first, he needs every one of them doing their job perfectly."
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Travelling with a small brains trust that included football manager Frank Ponissi, Team Storm spent a whirlwind fortnight in both England and France, talking with some of the true leaders of European sport.
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Like Red Bull Team Principal Christian Horner, who oversees those 600 staff Webber spoke of.
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And Dick, who after 15 years as British Athletics' director of coaching now ranks among the UK's top motivational speakers.
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Asked to describe the man who has worked with athletes including Sebastian Coe, Boris Becker and Katarina Witt, Ponissi said "absolute genius".
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On this latest trip, every day and every visit had a purpose.
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Which is exactly why Bellamy chose the rugby outfits of Saracens and Clermont Auvergne.
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"It's because of their sustained success, their consistency," the Storm boss explained.
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"You can win a game, win a premiership, but you can never really be satisfied. Because the moment you stand still, someone passes you."
supercoach
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Like others I think we needed a complete new coaching team but for what ever reason, probably money it did not happen. As for Royce he is no super coach but he is probably a good bloke to have around the club. The players seem to like him and when things get a little dark he probably can lighten things up.
Really what role does a assistant coach play??? Potter is the man and I suppose he is just another set of eyes
Really what role does a assistant coach play??? Potter is the man and I suppose he is just another set of eyes
I just hope we get the rowing machine in the optimum position this year
seriously, we are so far behind
seriously, we are so far behind
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system
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Seriously enjoyable watch.
As maligned as he has been over the years Roycey is always good to listen to
As maligned as he has been over the years Roycey is always good to listen to
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bigrus
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snowleopard
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Royce tells it as it is with no BS. The thing I got most out of the interview was..when it comes down to it every team has trained hard in the pre season and got a chance..the difference will mostly be..which TEAM of players has the greater desire to win . In other word..it's about attitude..and with us it's specifically about attitude in defence
Fade_To_Black
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@snowleopard said:
Roycie always played the game with no BS either. He must of had a great attitude and commitment because he was never even close to being a naturally gifted player (hell, even his running style looked like he was stumbling after a cab with 20 schooners under his belt) but yet he played the game at the highest level. That is to be respected .
IMO Royce will probably relish the fact that Sheens is no longer with the club as much as anyone, to me he always just seemed to be Sheens' understudy and bridesmaid. Now he can probably be more of his own man as far as his ideas, input etc goes.
Shooshmeister
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People said about Cooper Cronk he is not a natural talent, but he workls very hard to be at that level. That what Melbourne are great at, turning average players in to good to great players. Hopefully Royce's no bullshit attitude hit home with these guys. One thing they need to man up on is the defence, they need to work real hard on this, thats how you win these games.
