Rugby World Cup Thread

@ Kul, I play Rugby Union and have train in the Brumbies academy with the Brumbies for junior development and the reason they kick a lot better is because the balls are made a bit different and have a bigger and better sweet spot, not taking anything away cause Jonny Wilkinson and Dan Carter are the 2 top kickers and they are amazing, but the fact that the sweet spot is better is what makes them kick a lot further and a little more accurate, I find it a bit different in the league to union balls but the boys here who play for Brumbies say it's a big difference
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@Yossarian said:
As Beau Ryan would say… PENALTY!!!
Seriously how frustrating is it to watch those games? Someone puts a toe over the offside line 10m away from the play and a second later you hear "playing advantage". Everytime I think NRL referees are bad I watch some yawnion and think again. Some of these people make Shayne Hayne look brilliant.
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Totally different game to League, no sense of comparison outside of blokes running with a ball in their hands. One is a contest for possession, through the ruck, maul, scrum and lineout, the other a game of field position through the use of 5 or 6 carries. RL has but 30 pages of rules, most elementary, RU many more, with degrees of interpretation.

Just enjoy each for their particular merits, they're so different you may as well be comparing netball and hockey
 
@Citizen Tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
As Beau Ryan would say… PENALTY!!!
Seriously how frustrating is it to watch those games? Someone puts a toe over the offside line 10m away from the play and a second later you hear "playing advantage". Everytime I think NRL referees are bad I watch some yawnion and think again. Some of these people make Shayne Hayne look brilliant.

Totally different game to League, no sense of comparison outside of blokes running with a ball in their hands. One is a contest for possession, through the ruck, maul, scrum and lineout, the other a game of field position through the use of 5 or 6 carries. RL has but 30 pages of rules, most elementary, RU many more, with degrees of interpretation.

Just enjoy each for their particular merits, they're so different you may as well be comparing netball and hockey
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More rules, more penalties. I find it a frustrating game to watch. Sure there is more go on but fair dinkum, some of the decisions they reach are either very arbitrary (I've seen some teams penalised for pushing too early in the scrum and then others get pinged for not feeding the ball quick enough) or teams get pinged for stuff that has absolutely zero impact on the game.

You many enjoy the game, to each their own but I'd almost rather watch AFL than yawnion most of the time.
 
@Yossarian said:
@Citizen Tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
As Beau Ryan would say… PENALTY!!!
Seriously how frustrating is it to watch those games? Someone puts a toe over the offside line 10m away from the play and a second later you hear "playing advantage". Everytime I think NRL referees are bad I watch some yawnion and think again. Some of these people make Shayne Hayne look brilliant.

Totally different game to League, no sense of comparison outside of blokes running with a ball in their hands. One is a contest for possession, through the ruck, maul, scrum and lineout, the other a game of field position through the use of 5 or 6 carries. RL has but 30 pages of rules, most elementary, RU many more, with degrees of interpretation.

Just enjoy each for their particular merits, they're so different you may as well be comparing netball and hockey

More rules, more penalties. I find it a frustrating game to watch. Sure there is more go on but fair dinkum, some of the decisions they reach are either very arbitrary (I've seen some teams penalised for pushing too early in the scrum and then others get pinged for not feeding the ball quick enough) or teams get pinged for stuff that has absolutely zero impact on the game.

You many enjoy the game, to each their own but I'd almost rather watch AFL than yawnion most of the time.
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I just find the VFL a tragic waste of athletes Yoss. Must admit it's much better live, but it's a game that doesn't translate to TV. I think the proof of the pudding is it's progress over 150 years, which is less than modest. This weekend you have one grimy Melbourne suburb taking on an outpost at the end of Port Phillip Bay :laughing:

The IRB have a lot to answer for not so much in the number of laws per se, but in the way that the laws are applied. Referees education in NSW for instance is conducted with an emphasis on being forensic, in other words assuming that teams will infringe and spending the better part of the game trying to catch them out. There needs to be a cultural change in favour of letting the game 'breathe', but that's unlikely in the short term, until the board of the IRB is overhauled.

You mentioned 'material affect' and that's a very major issue in the game. If the ball is past one of the lock's feet and the scrum collapses, the sensible call is 'use it'. Unfortunately far too many refs in this RWC are re-setting and that's just nonsense. One of quite a few anomalies unfortunately. But when she's played through multiple phases or there's a drive from the line out, there ain't no prettier sight
 
The thing that annoys me more is some two passes away from a ruck crosses the offside line and retreats well before the ball comes out and still gets penalised. Far too many full penalties. They should go back to having more short arms and just sin bin teams who keep infringing. Sure they won't be conceding 3 points as often but they'll get the hint once they're down to 12 or 13 players and the other team scores a few tries.

Anyway as it is, I don't mind watching it every now and then but I think I'd go nuts if I had to watch it all the time.
 
The game was at its best in the mid 90's with the free flowing rugby
Probably helped when we had Horan ,Little,Gregan,Eales ,Kefu
Look at that Our best rugby years are when we have heaps of Qlders in the side
 
Interesting discussion between Yoss and CT about the rules.

The rules in Rugby that really annoy me are the rules concerning dangerous tackles. Yes, I know the welfare of the player is of utmost importance, but I think it's ridiculous to see players issued yellow/red cards for the slightest of contact with the head/neck region or if they lift a player and just eclipse the horizontal mark. Most of the time, the victims of these tackles are not injured and get up almost straight away.

They should either adopt Soccer's foul play rule, where your firstly issued with a precautionary yellow card and if you offend again, receive a red card and are sent off for the rest of the match. Or the NRL's dangerous tackle rule, where you are placed on report and referred to the judiciary, or if the tackle is deemed to be seriously bad, you are sent off for the rest of the match.
 
@Yossarian said:
The thing that annoys me more is some two passes away from a ruck crosses the offside line and retreats well before the ball comes out and still gets penalised. Far too many full penalties. They should go back to having more short arms and just sin bin teams who keep infringing. Sure they won't be conceding 3 points as often but they'll get the hint once they're down to 12 or 13 players and the other team scores a few tries.

Anyway as it is, I don't mind watching it every now and then but I think I'd go nuts if I had to watch it all the time.
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Agree with that observation.There is an approach called 'material effect', which regrettably, is not employed by most elite refs. The scenario you mention is typical and it drives both open minded fans and coaches barmy. You'll rarely hear a ref identify a defender at the breakdown to retreat to last feet for instance.That attitude would allow continuity, which is what players also want. When the game actually 'breathes' it's a magnificent spectacle. You can, if you're technically good, run as many phases as you like, while in RL you're restricted to 6

I'll never forget the head of refs in NSW at an education night proclaiming that kids and adults should be refereed in 'exactly the same way', on the basis that the kids would 'soon learn'. That is typical of what Rugby has to deal with and it's a shame
 
@Yossarian said:
As Beau Ryan would say… PENALTY!!!
Seriously how frustrating is it to watch those games? Someone puts a toe over the offside line 10m away from the play and a second later you hear "playing advantage". Everytime I think NRL referees are bad I watch some yawnion and think again. Some of these people make Shayne Hayne look brilliant.
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Yeah, I know, that's what really frustrates me about Rugby is the amount of penalties blown in any given game. As you and Tiger briefly summarised in your previous posts, it's almost like they are always looking to find the slightest of infringements at any given ruck or maul and blow a penalty.

Which leads to another frustrating aspect of the game: Penalty kicks. It seems as though every time the attacking team is within opposition territory they will elect to take a kick for goal, instead of trying to score a try. I've watched a fair bit of Rugby over my years and I can tell you, it is a brilliant game to watch when it's free-flowing. But I fear with penalty goals being so valuable (3 pts) and being so crucial in the outcome of every game, the running component of the game is becoming less prominent. Especially when the better nations play against each other and the defensive lines are fairly resolute, they will look to the boot for points.
 
Agree citizen, the crowd is being robbed of entertainment by the lack of running rugby and the other easy option taken of kicking into touch at the drop of a hat.
 
it would be better if penalty goals were only worth 2 points in union, instead of 3 points. same as field goals
 
The quarters are going to look like this:

Ireland vs Wales

England vs France

South Africa vs Australia

New Zealand vs Argentina
 
<big>Carter ruled out of World Cup with groin injury</big>
Greg Stutchbury, Reuters
October 2, 2011, 8:18 am

WELLINGTON, Oct 2 (Reuters) - New Zealand flyhalf Daniel Carter has been ruled out of the rugby World Cup after suffering a groin injury at training, the team's doctor Deb Robinson said on Sunday.

The 29-year-old had been named captain for the All Blacks final Pool A game against Canada later on Sunday but had to withdraw from the team late on Saturday after sustaining the injury while practising his kicking at training.

"It has been confirmed he has a significant groin injury. He has torn the left adductor longus tendon completely," Robinson told reporters at the team hotel.

Carter will travel to Auckland with the rest of the squad for further diagnosis but it was not yet clear if he required surgery, Robinson added.

Manawatu flyhalf Aaron Cruden has been brought into the squad.

The loss of Carter is a huge blow because his back-up Colin Slade has produced mixed performances in his appearances to date and fans had been concerned that his lack of test experience was a gamble by the coaching staff heading into the tournament.

Carter's exit comes on the back of news that captain Richie McCaw, the only specialist openside flanker in the team, has been battling a nagging foot injury that forced him out of the Canada match and requires constant management.

Both players were considered integral to New Zealand's chances of ending a 24-year hoodoo at the World Cup, with Carter finding some of his best form as he challenged defensive lines with his running, distribution and kicking skills.

New Zealand have not won the Webb Ellis trophy since the initial tournament in 1987, despite entering every World Cup since as hot favourites to claim the title.

"It's devastating for Daniel," New Zealand coach Graham Henry said. "This was going to be his pinnacle and its devastating for him… this was his scene, this World Cup in New Zealand, and it was going to be his big occasion.

"I feel very sad for him but he is the type of guy who will handle this. He has strength of character... and I feel huge sympathy for him."

(Editing by Ken Ferris; To comment on this story email <sportsfeedback@thomsonreuters.com>)

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haha sucked in poms. they are lucky they had that last try awarded
 
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