Rules and refereeing

[jirskyr]

Penalty count 10-6. The Tapine call was completely wrong and changed the match, though we didn't help ourselves with our discipline after the call.

Also I don't know why more wasn't made of the Whitehead dummy run preceding the Wight on try. We collected JRey and Doueihi on the run where he basically speared into the defensive line and Wighton cuts back directly into that line into broken defence.

 

[tonza]

Penalty count 10-6. The Tapine call was completely wrong and changed the match, though we didn't help ourselves with our discipline after the call.

Also I don't know why more wasn't made of the Whitehead dummy run preceding the Wight on try. We collected JRey and Doueihi on the run where he basically speared into the defensive line and Wighton cuts back directly into that line into broken defence.

My thoughts exactly. Many people were blaming Packer for missing that tackle however Wighton ran to the whole created by Whitehead who was still standing there, off to the side. Four tiger defenders went for Whitehead, including Reynolds, but then quickly moved off after they realised he did not get the ball. Very close call in my opinion.

 

[JC99]

Graeme Annesley confirms Wests should have been allowed to challenge the penalty on Michael Chee Kam and that it would have been over turned

 

[Geo]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

 

[cochise]

I’m still not sold on these new rules ..it’s like the 9’s format imo

I don’t know any other sport to bastardise the rules so much as rugby league

100% agreement from me. To get a TV product up and running, Vlandys and others have screwed the reputation of the game by implementing seriously questionable policies. One ref is a disaster in terms of fairness, impartiality and consistency within and between games. To think people bet on this sport now? Why bother? Results will be determined by the "interpretation" of the rules that suit the mood and ego of the officiating ref. Their power and influence on outcomes is massive now.

Here we go with this TV product rubbish again.

 

[cochise]

I like the new rules but reckon there is a bit of making it up on the run by the refs ..you see things you think should be six again and it's not called then other times you think what the hell was that for especially early in the tackle count gets a 6 again you see same thing happen on tackle 4 eg marker in the ruck and it's let go..

The worrying thing is a ref and his interpretations are influencing games more than they should...It made it hard for us tonight...we let ourselves down

It felt like though the Raiders were being officiated different to us..

Yea but that’s the way it’s always been . It used to be if you got annelsey , you got a certain style of red , if you got ward you got another , if you got Harrigan , you got something different again. I’m ok with that , as it adds to the unpredictability. I think we are still dealing with the Arrogant refs of the last 5-10 years , still stuck in their “holier than thou “ attitude. That will go in time I reckon. It’s hard not feel after a game like that , that there’s some kind of conspiracy against us lol . Maybe Luke brooks called one of the Sutton’s a M- Fer , and they’re all dirty at us forever lol

Great post mate, I've been saying that for years.

 

[hobbo1]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

 

[Geo]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

 

[hobbo1]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

The games a farce mate ..
I can’t get into it like I used to .

 

[voice_of_reason]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

I don't highly regard the 'stop the game for a cramp' ruling

 

[Bones]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

I just can’t understand how a player gets hit high, lays on the ground long enough that play has to be stopped, yet they aren’t forced to go off immediately. It’s a simple rule that would stop players laying down to get a call and also ensure player safety.

If you can’t get up and play the ball after a head knock, you need to be taken off immediately to be assessed.

 

[Russell]

Graeme Annesley confirms Wests should have been allowed to challenge the penalty on Michael Chee Kam and that it would have been over turned

Yep that's a big help NOW!

Sutton to touch judge in 'Z' grade forever.

 

[Russell]

Something also needs to be done about the 'crusher' tackle.

When it is one, fair enough.

Far too much milking and rorting this rule.

 

[JD Tiger]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Raiders fullback got knocked hard in a tackle early in the game also. When he got up, he played it, he staggered back almost losing his footing. Definitely groggy. But no HIA with him leaving the field then. In fact he had a pretty quiet game and I reckon that's why.

Like Raiders were good at deploying the one on one strip, they are now also good ta utilising the HIA rule to their advantage. Rule should definitely be tightened up.

 

[JD Tiger]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

I don't highly regard the 'stop the game for a cramp' ruling

Especially considering that I believe Packer flung the Raiders player to the ground who was trying to take a quick tap, because there was a Tigers player on the ground injured only a couple of metres behind the Raiders player.

 

[jirskyr]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

They have to stop play, they don't get a choice. Same with an injury in the back-field, if the trainer calls it serious then they need to halt play as duty of care.

However one of two things should happen:
(1) trainer calls get reviewed every week and teams get penalised for illegal or bogus or dodgy stop-play calls, on review. You'll know where in context it happens, whether or not the match medic called for the player to HIA or whether the player is indeed injured after the match.
(2) if play is stopped to remove an injured played in defence, the attacking side should get another tackle to compensate. This way you aren't disadvantaged and refs can stop play as called to.

 

[hobbo1]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

They have to stop play, they don't get a choice. Same with an injury in the back-field, if the trainer calls it serious then they need to halt play as duty of care.

However one of two things should happen:
(1) trainer calls get reviewed every week and teams get penalised for illegal or bogus or dodgy stop-play calls, on review. You'll know where in context it happens, whether or not the match medic called for the player to HIA or whether the player is indeed injured after the match.
(2) if play is stopped to remove an injured played in defence, the attacking side should get another tackle to compensate. This way you aren't disadvantaged and refs can stop play as called to.

That’s just complicating and already farcical system
When a players cops a head knock that’s it ..he’s off ..on the spot .

 

[jirskyr]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

They have to stop play, they don't get a choice. Same with an injury in the back-field, if the trainer calls it serious then they need to halt play as duty of care.

However one of two things should happen:
(1) trainer calls get reviewed every week and teams get penalised for illegal or bogus or dodgy stop-play calls, on review. You'll know where in context it happens, whether or not the match medic called for the player to HIA or whether the player is indeed injured after the match.
(2) if play is stopped to remove an injured played in defence, the attacking side should get another tackle to compensate. This way you aren't disadvantaged and refs can stop play as called to.

That’s just complicating and already farcical system
When a players cops a head knock that’s it ..he’s off ..on the spot .

Why is it complicated? Post-match review can be done at head office, with results published on NRL.com. They already were reviewing HIAs and fining clubs who didn't pull their players off, until they brought in the sideline medic.

Extra tackle just means if a player goes down in defence and trainer calls to ref, the current tackle is nullified. It's like in soccer when you put the ball into touch if a player is down, then the opposition throws it back in to you as compensation.

Your idea that any player with a head knock goes off - how do you assess that? How do you confirm whether or not he took a knock to the head? The answer is only via a trainer or the sideline doc, which means you still have to have an on-field assessment.

 

[hobbo1]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

They have to stop play, they don't get a choice. Same with an injury in the back-field, if the trainer calls it serious then they need to halt play as duty of care.

However one of two things should happen:
(1) trainer calls get reviewed every week and teams get penalised for illegal or bogus or dodgy stop-play calls, on review. You'll know where in context it happens, whether or not the match medic called for the player to HIA or whether the player is indeed injured after the match.
(2) if play is stopped to remove an injured played in defence, the attacking side should get another tackle to compensate. This way you aren't disadvantaged and refs can stop play as called to.

That’s just complicating and already farcical system
When a players cops a head knock that’s it ..he’s off ..on the spot .

Why is it complicated? Post-match review can be done at head office, with results published on NRL.com. They already were reviewing HIAs and fining clubs who didn't pull their players off, until they brought in the sideline medic.

Extra tackle just means if a player goes down in defence and trainer calls to ref, the current tackle is nullified. It's like in soccer when you put the ball into touch if a player is down, then the opposition throws it back in to you as compensation.

Your idea that any player with a head knock goes off - how do you assess that? How do you confirm whether or not he took a knock to the head? The answer is only via a trainer or the sideline doc, which means you still have to have an on-field assessment.

They have tv cameras watching every moment of the game ..
Clubs with cash to burn won’t give a shit about paying fines as long as they maintain momentum and win games .

With all due respect your idea is just another way of adding more grey areas and over complicating a game which has already been bastardised to the max .

 

[Geo]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Happens every game and shits me big time

Agreed ..every team uses it...some better than others...should be at the time that it occurs..if the trainer deems the player right to go and then later after the review says he needs to come off..play shouldn't be stopped as there is no danger at that time..

They have to stop play, they don't get a choice. Same with an injury in the back-field, if the trainer calls it serious then they need to halt play as duty of care.

However one of two things should happen:
(1) trainer calls get reviewed every week and teams get penalised for illegal or bogus or dodgy stop-play calls, on review. You'll know where in context it happens, whether or not the match medic called for the player to HIA or whether the player is indeed injured after the match.
(2) if play is stopped to remove an injured played in defence, the attacking side should get another tackle to compensate. This way you aren't disadvantaged and refs can stop play as called to.

I agree in a case of duty of care..but there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field...a lot of teams use the free interchange too as Tapine's head knock was an act of foul play