Ryan Papenhuyzen

[Tim Sheens]

Only seen him once since the twenties, but pace and particularly speed off the mark are not the limit of his attributes. He was where he needed to be and definitely has a future in the game.

That he has already nailed Billy's get your boot in the opposition's faces when in the air crap, shows that he is a quick learner.

 

[Masterton]

Well Snake Bellamy appears to have a different view of things. Perhaps that is why the Storm are so professional and successful while we lose and beleive that is acceptable and we've done well.

I have no idea whether he will be a future champ or a storm in a teacup, but lets not pretend Bellamy loves him. He's only there because 2 ahead off him went down.

 

[jirskyr]

Interesting comments in The Australian that doesn't reflect well upon us.

“Melbourne sold it that they could fix my injuries and I could learn behind Billy (Slater),” Papenhuyzen said.

“That was a pretty easy decision to make. I was playing Tigers for under 15s to about under 20s but I was actually a Parramatta junior. I went through their system. It was one of those stories where they said I was too small and we don’t know whether we can have you. Then I went to the Tigers. I went through the 20s system, had a few injuries and wasn’t really enjoying it at the time because I was always injured.”

“I tore both my hamstrings when I was at the Tigers. We did a lot of work on my running technique down here (in Melbourne) and just switching everything else on. I haven’t had any problems since.”


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/storm-find-a-fullback-with-pace-in-his-veins/news-story/a385ccc50fecfffb1fb948e5fe1c6508

Doesn't reflect well? Paps is 20 years old, which means he signed with Melbourne when he was 17. How can any club promise to fix injuries of a flyweight 17 y.o. who hasn't even grown into his body yet. And now he's played 6 games of FG and it's all fine?

Paps is an ungainly runner, I don't doubt that they had to rebuild his technique. He'd be another level faster if he actually ran upright and kept his head still, but that terrier-type striding helps him scarper around the in-goal, so it's not all negative.

Right at the same time as Paps left Tigers were rehabilitating Tedesco (knees) and Lawrence (hammys) and that turned out well for both players. Sounds like crap to me. Sounds like a little fellow not having the physical maturity yet to keep himself on the field.

 

[Masterton]

@jirskyr I have no idea of the truth of the matter, but if there is perception amongst players that Melby can fix these problems and we can't, that's a problem for us.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We have to look at why we allowed Tedesco so much latitude. I believe cutting him loose like Moses should have been the first option,

 

[Furious1]

@jirskyr Exactly. Teddy's running style was also modified while with us ( for his knees) and Benji's shoulder problems fixed. Neither has had any issues since. At the end of the day Paps can swing it how he likes, but he had the games premier fullback, coach and club willing to take him on. Slater was far closer to the end then Teddy. We will never know, but i'm confident if Teddy had of been early 30's and Billy early 20's Paps would still be calling Concord home.

 

[gallagher]

Buzz said on Controversy Corner tonight that Storm tried to shop him around to all 15 clubs in DEC, even offering to cover $80K.
Happy to see him to get his opportunity. I thought he looked electric and was great for them the other night.

Tedesco actually credits the Blues camp for helping with the change in his (running) technique, he said it on the Matty Johns show about a month or so ago.

Also another point to consider is, wouldn't both those clubs have far more superior training facilities than us?

Better facilities and bigger/better coaching staff. We would be at the bottom end of football dept spending I'd imagine.

 

[Furious1]

Buzz said on Controversy Corner tonight that Storm tried to shop him around to all 15 clubs in DEC, even offering to cover $80K.
Happy to see him to get his opportunity. I thought he looked electric and was great for them the other night.

Tedesco actually credits the Blues camp for helping with the change in his (running) technique, he said it on the Matty Johns show about a month or so ago.

Also another point to consider is, wouldn't both those clubs have far more superior training facilities than us?

Teddy doesn't give Wests Tigers credit for anything. He would rather we were wiped from history than have to re-live that he came through our system.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Buzz said on Controversy Corner tonight that Storm tried to shop him around to all 15 clubs in DEC, even offering to cover $80K.
Happy to see him to get his opportunity. I thought he looked electric and was great for them the other night.

Tedesco actually credits the Blues camp for helping with the change in his (running) technique, he said it on the Matty Johns show about a month or so ago.

Also another point to consider is, wouldn't both those clubs have far more superior training facilities than us?

Teddy doesn't give Wests Tigers credit for anything. He would rather we were wiped from history than have to re-live that he came through our system.

I reckon, anyone who says he'll do a LeBron is kidding themselves. It was a one way trip when he left.

 

[jirskyr]

@jirskyr I have no idea of the truth of the matter, but if there is perception amongst players that Melby can fix these problems and we can't, that's a problem for us.

Well because I don't believe anything that a player says in public as being completely true. They all get interviewed, they all have to say something, so they say something. And I honestly never believed that the "something" is the whole story.

I remember Akauola saying all that stuff about the club shifting him too much around and this being implicated in his depression, how the club was mistreating him etc. Obviously he moved to Penrith and got about the same go as he did here, before moving to ESL.

Then you get Jimmy Maloney saying exactly what he thinks and every one of his employers holds their breath and counsels him to perhaps be less frank with his opinions.

Being a footballer is highly political and because most of them need to have big egos to survive in such a tough environment, I have genuine doubt about the explanations give when egos are bruised. E.g. why players left a club, why players aren't performing at a club etc.

 

[jirskyr]

Buzz said on Controversy Corner tonight that Storm tried to shop him around to all 15 clubs in DEC, even offering to cover $80K.
Happy to see him to get his opportunity. I thought he looked electric and was great for them the other night.

Tedesco actually credits the Blues camp for helping with the change in his (running) technique, he said it on the Matty Johns show about a month or so ago.

Also another point to consider is, wouldn't both those clubs have far more superior training facilities than us?

Teddy doesn't give Wests Tigers credit for anything. He would rather we were wiped from history than have to re-live that he came through our system.

I reckon, anyone who says he'll do a LeBron is kidding themselves. It was a one way trip when he left.

The guy certainly is revisionist. As in he apparently always was a passionate Roosters supporter, same with his family etc., even though he grew up in Camden, but his junior side had Roosters colours. Apparently. Then he's fab mates with Miniciello all of a sudden because they went to the World Cup together for 6 weeks, even though he'd spent the previous 7 years in the Magpies/Tigers system.

Screw him. I get it, he wanted to be in a better side and more success - I can understand the allure. But it's heartless and soul-less to me and that will forever dent my opinion of him. The real legends of the game in my eyes are the ones that stick with what they've got and make their home team better, not join a cherry-picked team of blokes on great wickets.

They are a soulless glamour club the Roosters, I reckon my old Granny would be embarrassed how the core values of her side has changed, being an old Paddington girl back in the days when it was far more working class and much of Sydney was poor. Even when you look at membership - Roosters are clearly one of the most successful clubs of the membership era and they have the third-lowest 2019 membership, ahead of only Manly and Titans! They are 6K behind Tigers and 16K behind Rabbits!

And honestly - who are the Roosters players that have the long-standing admiration of the league? Pretty much nobody of the last 10 years. Perhaps Mitch Aubusson simply because he's an honest footballer with a slightly limited skillset, but just plays hard wherever they put him. If the Roosters were full of Aubos it would be a different thing, but they aren't, they are full of nonsense self-motivators like Cronk, guns for hire like Tedesco and arrogant lairs like Latrell.

There you go, unexpected anti-Roosters rant over.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Buzz said on Controversy Corner tonight that Storm tried to shop him around to all 15 clubs in DEC, even offering to cover $80K.
Happy to see him to get his opportunity. I thought he looked electric and was great for them the other night.

Tedesco actually credits the Blues camp for helping with the change in his (running) technique, he said it on the Matty Johns show about a month or so ago.

Also another point to consider is, wouldn't both those clubs have far more superior training facilities than us?

Teddy doesn't give Wests Tigers credit for anything. He would rather we were wiped from history than have to re-live that he came through our system.

I reckon, anyone who says he'll do a LeBron is kidding themselves. It was a one way trip when he left.

The guy certainly is revisionist. As in he apparently always was a passionate Roosters supporter, same with his family etc., even though he grew up in Camden, but his junior side had Roosters colours. Apparently. Then he's fab mates with Miniciello all of a sudden because they went to the World Cup together for 6 weeks, even though he'd spent the previous 7 years in the Magpies/Tigers system.

Screw him. I get it, he wanted to be in a better side and more success - I can understand the allure. But it's heartless and soul-less to me and that will forever dent my opinion of him. The real legends of the game in my eyes are the ones that stick with what they've got and make their home team better, not join a cherry-picked team of blokes on great wickets.

They are a soulless glamour club the Roosters, I reckon my old Granny would be embarrassed how the core values of her side has changed, being an old Paddington girl back in the days when it was far more working class and much of Sydney was poor. Even when you look at membership - Roosters are clearly one of the most successful clubs of the membership era and they have the third-lowest 2019 membership, ahead of only Manly and Titans! They are 6K behind Tigers and 16K behind Rabbits!

And honestly - who are the Roosters players that have the long-standing admiration of the league? Pretty much nobody of the last 10 years. Perhaps Mitch Aubusson simply because he's an honest footballer with a slightly limited skillset, but just plays hard wherever they put him. If the Roosters were full of Aubos it would be a different thing, but they aren't, they are full of nonsense self-motivators like Cronk, guns for hire like Tedesco and arrogant lairs like Latrell.

There you go, unexpected anti-Roosters rant over.

By all means keep going mate, I'm with you :laughing:

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Buzz said on Controversy Corner tonight that Storm tried to shop him around to all 15 clubs in DEC, even offering to cover $80K.
Happy to see him to get his opportunity. I thought he looked electric and was great for them the other night.

Tedesco actually credits the Blues camp for helping with the change in his (running) technique, he said it on the Matty Johns show about a month or so ago.

Also another point to consider is, wouldn't both those clubs have far more superior training facilities than us?

Teddy doesn't give Wests Tigers credit for anything. He would rather we were wiped from history than have to re-live that he came through our system.

I reckon, anyone who says he'll do a LeBron is kidding themselves. It was a one way trip when he left.

The guy certainly is revisionist. As in he apparently always was a passionate Roosters supporter, same with his family etc., even though he grew up in Camden, but his junior side had Roosters colours. Apparently. Then he's fab mates with Miniciello all of a sudden because they went to the World Cup together for 6 weeks, even though he'd spent the previous 7 years in the Magpies/Tigers system.

Screw him. I get it, he wanted to be in a better side and more success - I can understand the allure. But it's heartless and soul-less to me and that will forever dent my opinion of him. The real legends of the game in my eyes are the ones that stick with what they've got and make their home team better, not join a cherry-picked team of blokes on great wickets.

They are a soulless glamour club the Roosters, I reckon my old Granny would be embarrassed how the core values of her side has changed, being an old Paddington girl back in the days when it was far more working class and much of Sydney was poor. Even when you look at membership - Roosters are clearly one of the most successful clubs of the membership era and they have the third-lowest 2019 membership, ahead of only Manly and Titans! They are 6K behind Tigers and 16K behind Rabbits!

And honestly - who are the Roosters players that have the long-standing admiration of the league? Pretty much nobody of the last 10 years. Perhaps Mitch Aubusson simply because he's an honest footballer with a slightly limited skillset, but just plays hard wherever they put him. If the Roosters were full of Aubos it would be a different thing, but they aren't, they are full of nonsense self-motivators like Cronk, guns for hire like Tedesco and arrogant lairs like Latrell.

There you go, unexpected anti-Roosters rant over.

You’ve brought me to tears. So beautifully written?

 

[TheDaBoss]

@jirskyr

x100000000000000000000000000


hopefully Mbye can fix his form, and become 10x the player teddy is....

 

[jirskyr]

Buzz said on Controversy Corner tonight that Storm tried to shop him around to all 15 clubs in DEC, even offering to cover $80K.
Happy to see him to get his opportunity. I thought he looked electric and was great for them the other night.

Tedesco actually credits the Blues camp for helping with the change in his (running) technique, he said it on the Matty Johns show about a month or so ago.

Also another point to consider is, wouldn't both those clubs have far more superior training facilities than us?

Teddy doesn't give Wests Tigers credit for anything. He would rather we were wiped from history than have to re-live that he came through our system.

I reckon, anyone who says he'll do a LeBron is kidding themselves. It was a one way trip when he left.

The guy certainly is revisionist. As in he apparently always was a passionate Roosters supporter, same with his family etc., even though he grew up in Camden, but his junior side had Roosters colours. Apparently. Then he's fab mates with Miniciello all of a sudden because they went to the World Cup together for 6 weeks, even though he'd spent the previous 7 years in the Magpies/Tigers system.

Screw him. I get it, he wanted to be in a better side and more success - I can understand the allure. But it's heartless and soul-less to me and that will forever dent my opinion of him. The real legends of the game in my eyes are the ones that stick with what they've got and make their home team better, not join a cherry-picked team of blokes on great wickets.

They are a soulless glamour club the Roosters, I reckon my old Granny would be embarrassed how the core values of her side has changed, being an old Paddington girl back in the days when it was far more working class and much of Sydney was poor. Even when you look at membership - Roosters are clearly one of the most successful clubs of the membership era and they have the third-lowest 2019 membership, ahead of only Manly and Titans! They are 6K behind Tigers and 16K behind Rabbits!

And honestly - who are the Roosters players that have the long-standing admiration of the league? Pretty much nobody of the last 10 years. Perhaps Mitch Aubusson simply because he's an honest footballer with a slightly limited skillset, but just plays hard wherever they put him. If the Roosters were full of Aubos it would be a different thing, but they aren't, they are full of nonsense self-motivators like Cronk, guns for hire like Tedesco and arrogant lairs like Latrell.

There you go, unexpected anti-Roosters rant over.

By all means keep going mate, I'm with you :laughing:

Well then if you say so... you know what really interests me at this time? Emerging parallels between NRL and EPL.

I recently started following Premier League for the first time because I wanted a summer sport to follow, and see if anything clicked. PLENTY of battler teams in England, despite all the glamour, most sides are just toilers who never win any silverware, so plenty of options. But also I didn't really want to take on a side of losers; if I lacked skin in the game, I might as well pick a decent side that I can also support.

But that being by-the-by, obviously Man City and Liverpool duked it out for the premiership this year, with everyone else distant 3rd. Liverpool ended up second with enough points to have basically won the EPL any other year, kind of like running a PB to break the world record, only to have Usain Bolt break it by a larger margin 6 strides in front of you.

So I previously have no skin, no age-old rivalry or geography to fall back on... what are my feelings towards Man City? That they are a soul-less, arrogant, crushing team of football robots. That their owner is an Emirati of such privilege that he is part of the UAE royal family, is deputy prime minister and half-brother to the president. Oh, and he's put 1.3B pounds (!) into Man City over the past 10 years.

So it's no wonder that Man City sweep all before them, because they operate on about $300M AUD per season, can afford to buy the world's best manager, world's best players from anywhere their long arms can reach. There's no shock here, it's the brute force of Arab oil dollars. The club was third-tier 20 years ago, got back to mid-table Premier League 15 years ago and hasn't dropped outside the top echelon for the past 10 years. The money correlates with results.

And now, Man City are being referred to the judiciary for apparent breaching of "financial fair play", which, as I understand it, is like a piss-weak version of the salary cap that serves to stop excessively ludicrous money being poured into football sides, rather than just the normal level ludicrous. Allegedly, the Man City owners used external sponsorship deals to circumvent the Fair Play rules - sound much like TPAs and salary cap? And ultimately, it may cost Man City a Champions League spot next year.

In terms of roster, Man City have 6 actual Englishmen in their Top 25 (though that's pretty standard for top-tier EPL) - so the club is run, financed and rostered basically by non-British interests. I have no admiration for them, no good feeling, no sympathy.

Now the interesting part - my mate is a Liverpool man born and bred, I mean literally - he grew up not far from Liverpool. Liverpool had their best season in ages, basically lost the comp by 1 match, making the Champions League final as well... but couldn't win the home title. Liverpool aren't short of a buck either and although they've been top-flight for longer than Man City, they've been owned by American businessmen for 20 years, so their heritage is also somewhat undermined by big-time non-British dollars.

So I say to my friend: "Aren't you shitty with Man City, don't you bristle with the way they've basically bought a premiership? They didn't earn it, they bought it. That even though Liverpool are big-league, Man City are so much bigger again in terms of financial backing that you may never compete with them? That basically the EPL is 6 or 7 top teams and the rest are so far away that they'll never truly compete, and that Man City are in another level by themselves?"

And he says "no, because Man City play beautiful football."

And that part I'll never understand. Of course they play beautiful football! For 150M pounds per season, how could you expect anything less than amazing and beautiful football? And how can you be happy with that? I mean if that's your view, why not give all of Liverpool's money to Man City and reduce the opposition so much that Man City will play football of such beauty every week; that they will crush all opposition everywhere (like they did on the weekend winning 6-blot in the FA Cup Final) and you can sit there with unbridled wet-pants joy watching oil money turned into goals, like some sort of weird Footballing Rumpelstiltskin.

Well I can't do it. Maybe it's an Australian thing, to reject the lack of authenticity, the BS, the idea that dollars makes winners. On a small-scale, the Roosters have become like the Man City of the NRL - everything is going right for them off-field, they manage a stacked side and they win when it counts. They have big business and smart operators working for them off-field. Sure as hell the fans aren't, their memberships and home crowds are shocking.

And it's not Roosters fan's fault that smart wealthy operators are pouring their money in. Even though they are happy or willfully ignorant of it, that they think their team might actually be something like the other regular sides. That they can't see the difference between the Cowboys and the Roosters because they are blinded by privilege. And I don't blame the NRL specifically either, any more than I can blame UEFA or the EPL for having some limited capacity to slow down Man City.

But I cannot enjoy or respect it. Roosters have an amazing roster and sometimes they blow teams away with spectacular football, but it leaves an ashen taste in my mouth. And that's where Tedesco went, he joined the Man City of the NRL, because someone took him in a helicopter somewhere, because he got free drinks on a boat, because he doesn't have to pay rent anymore; he now has new friends in higher places, and he wants to win comps and he doesn't want to do all the work getting there.

In this case, it seems you can take Camden out of the boy.

 

[izotope]

Heard somewhere on fox league that Melbourne offered him (Last year i think it was) around to every club even offering 80k of his salary to offload and him and not one other club was interested

 

[jirskyr]

Heard somewhere on fox league that Melbourne offered him (Last year i think it was) around to every club even offering 80k of his salary to offload and him and not one other club was interested

Hmm that's hardly the narrative I've been hearing the past week? I thought they wanted to raise him up gently under the expert tutelage of Billy Slater? That they could fix his running style and banish his injuries. That Melbourne was the only place, the only system where he could finally excel, find his place, banish his demons.

Are you meaning to say that he really is still 3rd choice fullback, was 4th choice in 2018 and holds no certainly to retain his place when Melbourne's roster is at full strength? That he might actually be a Legend of ISP after all?

 

[izotope]

@jirskyr
didnt mean to much in it other then we are as dumb as the other 16 clubs, however it was on controversy corner from Buzz i think so ill just hide in this hole over here.

Quick google showed some news on it but blocked behind dailytelegraph paywall

 

[851]

@jirskyr I regularly make the comparison of the roosters and Man City, just buy a comp teams, hate the both with a passion

 

[NT_Tiger]

@jirskyr
You sound like my mate that now refuses to watch NRL.