Sack Sheens Thread

[happy_tiger]

That was 7 yrs ago Happy. Since 05 we should have achieved a hell of a lot more then we have given our squad

I've said it before and I will say it again GNR The reality is the worse thing to happen for the players in particular was to win the premiership in 2005

I would of preferred to see us lose a close one to the Dragons The players would of stayed hungry and wanted to achieve more

To achieve the ultimate in your first two or three seasons isn't always great

They would of appreciated more if they had won in 2007 (for example ) as they would not of taken it for granted

Ridiculous statement with no basis….utterly ridiculous

How many young players Ink who should of gone to bigger and better things didn't

Halatau ,Harrison ,Whatuira ,Collis to name a few

How is their no basis Ink

Tell me how many final series the club made between 2005 -2010 ??

How many clubs can you name that won a premiership and then didn't make the semis for the following four seasons

Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it is wrong

You believe the coach is responsible for everything

I believe that the players must take a lot of the responsibility

Isn't it funny that when the team plays well they play with a fair few set patterns Great kicking game , good kick chase Setting a platform before they go wide and great swarming defence and even better scrambling defence

What you are suggesting is they do that despite the coachings of Sheens Who is the ridiculous one with that theory Ink

Sheens simple problem is this in my opinion he needs a seven or six who is cheapish who can do a job and won't be overridden by Benji or Farah

Morris was a failure , Lui looked like he might get there eventually but he changed the outcome of his destiny

Hopefuly either Sironen or Anasta can do that

You don't think winning in 2005 added pressure to young blokes who weren't ready for it and in playing badly for a season or two destroyed their confidence to either think about being a serious contender
These blokes way overachieved in 2005 and paid the price for it

 

[happy_tiger]

In saying what I just said , if we don't at least make a GF qualifier (in other words improve ) Sheens needs to answer some serious questions from Humphreys in his post season review

 

[innsaneink]

That was 7 yrs ago Happy. Since 05 we should have achieved a hell of a lot more then we have given our squad

I've said it before and I will say it again GNR The reality is the worse thing to happen for the players in particular was to win the premiership in 2005

I would of preferred to see us lose a close one to the Dragons The players would of stayed hungry and wanted to achieve more

To achieve the ultimate in your first two or three seasons isn't always great

They would of appreciated more if they had won in 2007 (for example ) as they would not of taken it for granted

Ridiculous statement with no basis….utterly ridiculous

How many young players Ink who should of gone to bigger and better things didn't

Halatau ,Harrison ,Whatuira ,Collis to name a few

How is their no basis Ink

Tell me how many final series the club made between 2005 -2010 ??

How many clubs can you name that won a premiership and then didn't make the semis for the following four seasons

Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it is wrong

You believe the coach is responsible for everything

I believe that the players must take a lot of the responsibility

Isn't it funny that when the team plays well they play with a fair few set patterns Great kicking game , good kick chase Setting a platform before they go wide and great swarming defence and even better scrambling defence

What you are suggesting is they do that despite the coachings of Sheens Who is the ridiculous one with that theory Ink

Sheens simple problem is this in my opinion he needs a seven or six who is cheapish who can do a job and won't be overridden by Benji or Farah

Morris was a failure , Lui looked like he might get there eventually but he changed the outcome of his destiny

Hopefuly either Sironen or Anasta can do that

You don't think winning in 2005 added pressure to young blokes who weren't ready for it and in playing badly for a season or two destroyed their confidence to either think about being a serious contender
These blokes way overachieved in 2005 and paid the price for it

So you are right?

How many comps would we have won if we dropped 05?

Thats all im referring to.

 

[tigermaniac]

People say that if we don't sign Bennett Bellamy or Hasler, there are no other options so well stick with Sheens. Then they say if we go for someone else outside the big 3 it's could be a bad move. I can't believe the love affair with Sheens. I don't hate him but I don't think it's going to happen again guys. And to think this coming from success starved Magpies and Tigers fans. Might as well leave Julia Gillard in power. Better the devil we know. Wake up.
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[Knuckles]

If the anti-sheens lobby can't come up with a suitable replacement (ie one with or without a proven track record) then what hope has the board ?

Change doesnt come without risk …. In an extreme case the risk could bring down the whole joint venture. Then again it could mean a golden era including another premiership. But for me it's a case of the devil you know as opposed to the devil you don't. Tim Sheens knows what it takes to win a premiership but has he gone stale ? There are pluses and minuses in both cases and inevitably Tim will move on and someone else will take over. Probably at the end of next season win lose or draw.

I hope Tim stays with us as long as possible but from a realistic point of view, the board should be looking beyond the 2013 season and giving consideration to life after Tim. For me , if we did move on from Tim, as we have to one day, I am thinking along the same lines as Ink ... ie someone with no track record of winning premierships. Could it be a Todd Payten or a Skando or a Buckets ... If it was I would warmly welcome the incumbent. If it was a Ricky Staurt, Daniel Anderson, Steve Kearney etc ... I would be very apprehensive bordering on cynical.

 

[innsaneink]

Name a better quality coach out there available to replace Sheens.

This is the issue isn't it. I don't see a better option.

Come on guys. Contracts mean nothing. You want your man you get him. The bulldogs done it.
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Its not impossible.

All new recruits are risky, you only have to look at Sheens' record with players.

I know I get complacent doing the same thing at work with the same boss…when things change at the top it gives me a new outlook and perspective, ive been there years but its new again and its always been for the better, we grow and get better at what we do.

Its like travelling, trying new food....wearing clothes you usually dont wear, being different, taking a chance, having a crack and saying stuff it, im not going to keep doing things the same, im gunna take a punt and try something different, I might just like it. And when you do its a whole new day.

The club needs a shake up in the coaching ranks and i reckon benji and robbie would benefit most...they dont have long left.

 

[Knuckles]

That's if they stay.

 

[happy_tiger]

I reckon we would of had far better results from 2006 -2009 if we had lost

These young fellas would still have had something to achieve

I can't say if we would have won another premiership

The other issue was the game changed which made our style of play obsolete and we took time to change our playing ranks to overcome this

 

[GNR4LIFE]

That's if they stay.

This statement is getting very tedious and has no basis

 

[tig_prmz]

That's if they stay.

if you're referring to benji and co. leaving the club if sheens leaves.. then you know what? IF IF IF that is true, i don't want to support this club.

however, in saying that, i havent heard benji say it himself, just some lala speculation on here and in the DT

 

[happy_tiger]

That's if they stay.

if you're referring to benji and co. leaving the club if sheens leaves.. then you know what? IF IF IF that is true, i don't want to support this club.

however, in saying that, i havent heard benji say it himself, just some lala speculation on here and in the DT

Why would you not support your club Prmz

You follow them through thick and thin

You follow them through hell and highwater

Similiar to a marriage and boy sometimes they can be a b$%ch at certain times but you love them no matter what

 

[tig_prmz]

just exaggerating there but it would be the most ridiculous thing IF IF IF IF true. no evidence to suggest so though, hence it's invalid.

 

[hellman]

That's if they stay.

if you're referring to benji and co. leaving the club if sheens leaves.. then you know what? IF IF IF that is true, i don't want to support this club.

however, in saying that, i havent heard benji say it himself, just some lala speculation on here and in the DT

I am pretty sure when Benji signed his last contract he said he would stay if Sheens left. It simply wasn't part of his contract and he wanted it that way.

 

[Furious1]

I reckon we would of had far better results from 2006 -2009 if we had lost

These young fellas would still have had something to achieve

I can't say if we would have won another premiership

The other issue was the game changed which made our style of play obsolete and we took time to change our playing ranks to overcome this

I understand what you are getting at Happy, i don't think it's time to change coaches, especially when we have finished top 4 two years in a row and this year is still to be played out.
I do have to completely disagree with your 2005 theory in regards to player hunger. I can't speak for the players but i know back in the day when i was playing footy and we won 1 title, the hunger for more doesn't shrink, it grows because it was such a great feeling you want more ( we won another 3 in a row). The difference is once you are the premiers, everyone else comes at you harder and that does a take a toll both physically and mentally.

You are completely right in regards to the style of game changing after 05\. The play the balls were slower and our razzle dazzle was null and void. It took until 2010 for us to get the mix right. As for this year, it's not over until we are out.

 

[Knuckles]

I was simply raising the possibility that if Tim leaves so might Benji and Robbie. The Titans offer a couple of years ago nearly got Robbie up there. There's no substance to it just a hypothetical….

Can't believe the suggestion that fans would stop following the team if that happened. I thought everyone on here were thick and thin supporters.

 

[Knuckles]

Name a better quality coach out there available to replace Sheens.

This is the issue isn't it. I don't see a better option.

Come on guys. Contracts mean nothing. You want your man you get him. The bulldogs done it.
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Its not impossible.

All new recruits are risky, you only have to look at Sheens' record with players.

I know I get complacent doing the same thing at work with the same boss…when things change at the top it gives me a new outlook and perspective, ive been there years but its new again and its always been for the better, we grow and get better at what we do.
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Only difference is that if you don't like the new boss or his/her methodologies, you don't have other companies queuing up for your signature ! (ie .. You're stuck there whereas our players will be snapped up in no time).

 

[Furious1]

I was simply raising the possibility that if Tim leaves so might Benji and Robbie. The Titans offer a couple of years ago nearly got Robbie up there. There's no substance to it just a hypothetical….

Can't believe the suggestion that fans would stop following the team if that happened. I thought everyone on here were thick and thin supporters.

Not me Knuckles!! I supported Balmain before Benji and Robbie, supported Wests Tigers before Benji and Robbie and i'll support Wests Tigers after Benji and Robbie!!!!! :slight_smile:

 

[Knuckles]

Lol … I wasn't referring to you Furious mate !!!
Someone wrote they wouldn't follow the team if the hypothetical became a reality !

99.9% of us are in your camp mate :slight_smile:

 

[happy_tiger]

I reckon we would of had far better results from 2006 -2009 if we had lost

These young fellas would still have had something to achieve

I can't say if we would have won another premiership

The other issue was the game changed which made our style of play obsolete and we took time to change our playing ranks to overcome this

I understand what you are getting at Happy, i don't think it's time to change coaches, especially when we have finished top 4 two years in a row and this year is still to be played out.
I do have to completely disagree with your 2005 theory in regards to player hunger. I can't speak for the players but i know back in the day when i was playing footy and we won 1 title, the hunger for more doesn't shrink, it grows because it was such a great feeling you want more ( we won another 3 in a row). The difference is once you are the premiers, everyone else comes at you harder and that does a take a toll both physically and mentally.

You are completely right in regards to the style of game changing after 05\. The play the balls were slower and our razzle dazzle was null and void. It took until 2010 for us to get the mix right. As for this year, it's not over until we are out.

Two points Furious If we can't improve on 2011 Humphrey's needs to talk to Sheens

Secondly you have to admit the club and the players overachieved majorly in 2005 and when the other clubs took us seriously we were always going to struggle A lot of the junior players could not cope with the extra burdens of being defending premiers (Rhino ,Halatau,Collis,Fitzhenry) and the guys who probably could were on the way out (O'neill ,Skando,Richards ,Hodgo,Galea etc)

 

[innsaneink]

Come on guys. Contracts mean nothing. You want your man you get him. The bulldogs done it.
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Its not impossible.

All new recruits are risky, you only have to look at Sheens' record with players.

I know I get complacent doing the same thing at work with the same boss…when things change at the top it gives me a new outlook and perspective, ive been there years but its new again and its always been for the better, we grow and get better at what we do.
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Only difference is that if you don't like the new boss or his/her methodologies, you don't have other companies queuing up for your signature ! (ie .. You're stuck there whereas our players will be snapped up in no time).

Yeh OK knuckles the place will surely fall apart should sheens ever leave. :unamused: