Sack Sheens Thread

[supercoach]

Feel sorry for Sheens, not on your life,the guy is being paid mega bucks to get results and Iam afraid with the big salary comes some modest expectations from the fans.

His record is very poor, you cant sugar coat it.In all his time at the tigers he has had three winning streaks,the rest of the time we have been average at best.

Time to go,thanks for 2005

 

[tigermaniac]

It's no coincidence, our better players this year are the ones that haven't been around Sheens for a long time. Yes there are maybe 1 or 2 exceptions , but it just proves a change of clubs is good for both our coach and club.
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[snowleopard]

Interesting article on Gerry Harvey

It's time for Gerry to stand aside. Not because he's too old or frail — he remains whip-smart — but because his initial success in building Harvey Norman blinds him from imagining a different future for it.
Gerry's personal relationships with franchisees makes it almost impossible for him to make the changes necessary to fix this business.
He needs to step back and let someone else without those relationships make the decisions he can't.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/who-will-sack-gerry-harvey-20120910-25nz4.html#ixzz267LSuDcG

 

[Go_Moltzen]

In 2010 & 2011 the Tigers had a team good enough to make or win a G.F but when the pressure was on the team was not mentally tough enough to defend a lead in the crunch finals games. Blame the players &/or blame the coach. Tigers choked.

Tigers are now on the slide down the NRL rankings. In patches this season the team played so poorly they embarrassed themselves & the club.
Playing at their best the Tigers now have a roster that probably **cannot** win a premiership.
Under Sheens the team under-performed in most games this year.
If winning a premiership is the goal then the coach & roster much change now.

 

[Yossarian]

In 2010 & 2011 the Tigers had a team good enough to make or win a G.F but when the pressure was on the team was not mentally tough enough to defend a lead in the crunch finals games. Blame the players &/or blame the coach. Tigers choked.

Tigers are now on the slide down the NRL rankings. In patches this season the team played so poorly they embarrassed themselves & the club.
Playing at their best the Tigers now have a roster that probably **cannot** win a premiership.
Under Sheens the team under-performed in most games this year.
If winning a premiership is the goal then the coach & roster much change now.

Not sure you could call 2010 a choke. They played an excellent game in the GF Qualifier. Saints were just good enough to get the win.

 

[Go_Moltzen]

In 2010 & 2011 the Tigers had a team good enough to make or win a G.F but when the pressure was on the team was not mentally tough enough to defend a lead in the crunch finals games. Blame the players &/or blame the coach. Tigers choked.

Tigers are now on the slide down the NRL rankings. In patches this season the team played so poorly they embarrassed themselves & the club.
Playing at their best the Tigers now have a roster that probably **cannot** win a premiership.
Under Sheens the team under-performed in most games this year.
If winning a premiership is the goal then the coach & roster much change now.

_Not sure you could call 2010 a choke. They played an excellent game in the GF Qualifier. Saints were just good enough to get the win._

2010 was thinking mainly about the Roosters in 1st final. Tigers management very kind to Roosters stupidly decide to play game at SFS instead of Leichhardt or Campbelltown. In 1st half Tigers had the ball & Benji traded punches with Pearce, Tigers try disallowed. Second half Tigers folded.
In next game v Raiders the Tigers were on fire but again folded late in the game & only a missed goal by Croker gave the Tigers a narrow victory.
Dragons game was close & went down to the wire but from memory Benji made a couple of unforced errors under pressure when we needed a cool head to try & snatch a victory. 2011 against the NZ Warriors the Tigers folded & choked.

This year the Tigers were a rabble & choked on a regular basis as well.

 

[Gray]

In 2010 & 2011 the Tigers had a team good enough to make or win a G.F but when the pressure was on the team was not mentally tough enough to defend a lead in the crunch finals games. Blame the players &/or blame the coach. Tigers choked.

Tigers are now on the slide down the NRL rankings. In patches this season the team played so poorly they embarrassed themselves & the club.
Playing at their best the Tigers now have a roster that probably **cannot** win a premiership.
Under Sheens the team under-performed in most games this year.
If winning a premiership is the goal then the coach & roster much change now.

_Not sure you could call 2010 a choke. They played an excellent game in the GF Qualifier. Saints were just good enough to get the win._

2010 was thinking mainly about the Roosters in 1st final. Tigers management very kind to Roosters stupidly decide to play game at SFS instead of Leichhardt or Campbelltown. In 1st half Tigers had the ball & Benji traded punches with Pearce, Tigers try disallowed. Second half Tigers folded.
In next game v Raiders the Tigers were on fire but again folded late in the game & only a missed goal by Croker gave the Tigers a narrow victory.
Dragons game was close & went down to the wire but from memory Benji made a couple of unforced errors under pressure when we needed a cool head to try & snatch a victory. 2011 against the NZ Warriors the Tigers folded & choked.

This year the Tigers were a rabble & choked on a regular basis as well.

2010 we far from choked in that last game. Although we had a 12point lead, the Dragons were too good, showed by their great season and dominant win in the final. Against the Roosters we did choke, fatal errors let us down, and who knows, we may have been playing the saints in the final instead if we had won that game.

2011 we sorted our season out late, but it paid off. we were on fire going into the finals, even into the Warriors game. We were complacent against a average warriors side who had just been smashed the week before which we should have repeated and were early into the game. We folded knowing we were the better team.

 

[Yossarian]

In 2010 & 2011 the Tigers had a team good enough to make or win a G.F but when the pressure was on the team was not mentally tough enough to defend a lead in the crunch finals games. Blame the players &/or blame the coach. Tigers choked.

Tigers are now on the slide down the NRL rankings. In patches this season the team played so poorly they embarrassed themselves & the club.
Playing at their best the Tigers now have a roster that probably **cannot** win a premiership.
Under Sheens the team under-performed in most games this year.
If winning a premiership is the goal then the coach & roster much change now.

_Not sure you could call 2010 a choke. They played an excellent game in the GF Qualifier. Saints were just good enough to get the win._

2010 was thinking mainly about the Roosters in 1st final. Tigers management very kind to Roosters stupidly decide to play game at SFS instead of Leichhardt or Campbelltown. In 1st half Tigers had the ball & Benji traded punches with Pearce, Tigers try disallowed. Second half Tigers folded.
In next game v Raiders the Tigers were on fire but again folded late in the game & only a missed goal by Croker gave the Tigers a narrow victory.
Dragons game was close & went down to the wire but from memory Benji made a couple of unforced errors under pressure when we needed a cool head to try & snatch a victory. 2011 against the NZ Warriors the Tigers folded & choked.

This year the Tigers were a rabble & choked on a regular basis as well.

That's mostly true but none of that is really choking. We played well against the Roosters but just couldn't get the points to reflect that. I won't get into the ground debate - it was discussed in detail at the time - but I think the right call was made.

We're talking semi finals football. We played three good teams in three good games and we were pretty damn good in all of them!

2011 I agree about the Warriors game. Should have won, tried to sit on a lead.

2012 was mixed. Won some close games, lost some games we should have won.

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Yeah 2010/2011 coulda, woulda, shoulda…
2012 rubbish season.
At their best the Tigers can play patches of brilliant attacking football but unfortunately 50 percent of the game is defence. Also they need a player like Cooper Cronk to direct them to victory. Play to to win. I assume this is why Anasta is coming.

 

[bigsiro]

Interesting article on Gerry Harvey

It's time for Gerry to stand aside. Not because he's too old or frail — he remains whip-smart — but because his initial success in building Harvey Norman blinds him from imagining a different future for it.
Gerry's personal relationships with franchisees makes it almost impossible for him to make the changes necessary to fix this business.
He needs to step back and let someone else without those relationships make the decisions he can't.

Best post I've read on the topic.

 

[kh_canada]

Interesting article on Gerry Harvey

It's time for Gerry to stand aside. Not because he's too old or frail — he remains whip-smart — but because his initial success in building Harvey Norman blinds him from imagining a different future for it.
Gerry's personal relationships with franchisees makes it almost impossible for him to make the changes necessary to fix this business.
He needs to step back and let someone else without those relationships make the decisions he can't.

I remember reading this elsewhere. I thought this was rather interesting:

"Now it's time to get out of the way and let someone who can see a different future for Harvey Norman, **a future that's not a reflection of its past**. Your shareholders deserve no less. And, with a 30 per cent stake in the business, so do you.

Gerry, it's time to give yourself the sack."

 

[bigsiro]

I have always been a fan of Sheens. But we have come to a roadblock and we need a detour.

Going on what someone said earlier: while we all want a fresh approach we have to realize that Sheens deserves a dignified and lauded exit. He is a legend and gave us a premiership.

But we are are the fans and have to expect success at the Tigers. If we don't we are being content with mediocrity. The reality is that 1 premiership plus 2 more finals appearances simply does not warrant tenure for over 10 years in such a results driven position.

Having said the above; if another coach comes in we will have to give him time to implement his own philosophy, playing group and team structure. It will test our patience, but patient is what we will have to be I'm afraid. Let's be realistic and brace ourselves. If we have any instant success it will be a bonus IMO.

 

[bluetige]

I read this morning Sheenius is likely to select players out of their specialised positions for the up coming test match too. Probably not a big issue as the aussies would beat the Kiwi's with 13 Moltzen's, but it does show he still thinks this way and will probably never change his ways

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/kangaroos-coach-tim-sheens-is-planning-a-major-overhaul-of-the-test-side/story-e6frexnr-1226472116186

 

[Ausmunin]

What about Mick Potter as the new coach? Just read he is returning to Australia.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

What about Mick Potter as the new coach? Just read he is returning to Australia.

Saw that this morning… I like Mick's Management Skills and would be a great Head Coach with the right structure around him.
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[851]

What about Mick Potter as the new coach? Just read he is returning to Australia.

Harry Potter would be an improvement.we need to to sack Sheens

 

[barra]

While we are on the business analogies, here's another one.

"In business to stay the same is to actually go backwards".

Under Sheens, we have pretty much stayed the same. And in comparison to other teams we have gone backwards.

 

[kh_canada]

Interesting comment tonight during the pre-match commentary.

Sterlo said something along the lines about how Reynolds has finally got his team in-sync with his game, as he has been kicking, taking on the line and the rest of his team know he carries the plays and they respond to that. And how that has improved the Bunnies overall gameplay.

I know we need a halfback blah blah, but even if we had a player to call all the shots and carry the play we would be in a much better place than we are at the moment. Benji just does not cut it as a leader or a director of play, he's a ball runner and Sheens just keeps persisting to play him against his strengths. :crazy

 

[alexaki]

Tonights game convinced me we need a change of Coach…Look how the Rabbitohs and Bulldogs have responded to a new Coach in 2012...After being shellshocked against Storm last week Maguire got his team up for tonights game and they responded...Sheens couldn't even get the Tigers up to beat the 3rd last team(Roosters) in the 2nd last game, and when the chips were really down against the Storm we offered nothing!..The team simply didn't show up the last 2 games

 

[Tigerpete]

Not wrong alexai. There were some real warning signs in the ending to our season that the players were not playing for the coach. Regardless of what some players will come out and say, it appeared to me that the writing was on the wall for Sheens. He has to walk. He does not have the players FULL support.

Now the past few days with the drama surrounding Heighington and Ryan have only cemented my thoughts. It's my opinion that if Heighington and Ryan are forced out, there's no way Sheens can stay. To crucify two of our best clubman is a bold and risky move by the coach, especially given his own shortfalls.