Salary Cap Issues

[foreveratiger]

Even a Club like Parramatta can look at next Season with hope and optimism with players like : Kieron Foran , Beau Scott , Michael Gordon being signed .

We have no option but to ride out this Tsunami and hope that all mistakes incurred by previous Management , Coaches , CEO's , Board etc…. whoever you want to blame ? that we have learn't from this debacle cause the way things are going i'm afraid we might not have a Club to support in the Future as we still have the Balmain side of the merge trying to sort out there Financial commitment to the Club.
Lets hope we can all stick solid cause the last thing i would want is not having a side to support . The Wests Tigers are a massive part of my life and happiness

 

[ricksen]

they should have insisted that the contract was torn up.

Sadly not possible - all contracts are guaranteed. Blair isn't going to forgo a few hundred g's because our admin staff can't manage a spreadsheet properly, and rightly so.

 

[Tigersmurf]

Blairs wife negotiated his Broncos contract whilst he was away with the Kiwis. Tigers were more than happy to release him as he had offered little value and was taking up precious salary cap space. I would rather we pay him $120k and free up $280k in our cap for a season. He was a massive passenger.

I love all the speculation on our salary cap situation. I have no idea how we can release so many players and still have cap trouble! They must have moved some deck chairs to fit Teddy back in. I can't believe we are as bad as they are saying. I hope something is going on behind the scenes to at least make everyone a little excited about next year.

 

[Muffstar]

I can understand there are issues with the salary cap, but how in hell do they put a positive slant on all of this ?

People become members because they support the club and want the team to competitive.
Sponsors join the club for exposure and also to be supportive of a competitive team.

If the gloom and doom sprouted by the CEO and coach for the next few years is true then how is the club going to position themselves and put a positive marketing spin on all of this.

 

[cochise]

well isn't blair contract with us finished at the end of this year.surley this surely frees up some money.we have about 15 players off contract so if we get rid of most of them,keep ava and maybe santi then we have to replace them with someone.

The issue won't be with the players off contract, like Blair, they are already factored in to cost $0 in 2016\. It's the backloading of guys continuing on after this year and beyond.

Taylor mentioned there is a couple of guys they want to keep (I assume Ava is one), but those decisions are going to need a lot of thought. The alternative would be to buy a cheaper prop and repair some more of the 2017+ cap issues. Then re-look at a 1st grade prop in once the cap is sorted.

Each $ we spend now in the cap, is essentially less we can spend in 2017 and beyond. Probably when the jnrs are developed and we are most likely to make a run at the finals.

So the cost to retain a player will be heavily scrutinized against alternate cheaper options.

That is a very good explanation of where we are in regards to the salary cap. At some point a decision would have been made to not resign Blairs contract when it ended at the end of this year. I would guess this decision was probably made a couple of years ago. We then allocated his salary to someone else moving forward.

I'll try and use an example using actual players to try and make clearer. I will use Teddy's contract negotiations as an example.

Example: Teddy is off contract but we do not have enough money to resign him, he then signs with Canberra. Some players get upset that he is leaving and the CEO decides to look at the contract again. After discussions with the relevant parties involved it is decided that Blair was not going to be resigned when his contract expires. The decision is then made to use Blair's money that is freed up in 2016 and beyond to backload Teddy's contract to make up for paying him very little in 2015\. Therefore the ending of paying Blair does not free up cap space as that freed up money was allocated 18 months ago, before the current board took control.

In reality the above senario would make next year tougher as we saved some money this year by releasing Blair to the Broncos. That money in the above senario has already been allocated for next year.

The issue with backloading contracts is you eventually hit a point where you have players on big contracts, far exceeding the value they bring to the club, these big contracts leave little room to move in regards to signing or resigning players. At this point you don't have too many options, you either continue the cycle and backload future contracts or you take the hit and not sign and lose current players until those backloaded contracts end.

That is exactly the pain we are going through now.

I have a feeling that the reason we were reluctant to sign Teddy last year was we were trying to fix these exact issues.

 

[sideline_eye]

I don't think we were reluctant to sign Teddy but we did put a value on him which we were not prepared to go beyond. Canberra offered him more and his manager convinced him to sign there. He then became remorseful and after talking to Robbie he asked for our original offer to be reinstated and it was, so he backed out of the Canberra deal.

This is not to pick holes in your argument, which I agree with, just saying how I remember the events with Tedesco.

 

[Eddie]

I think people would get a rude shock when they find out how much coin the 6 and 7 are on.

 

[cochise]

I don't think we were reluctant to sign Teddy but we did put a value on him which we were not prepared to go beyond. Canberra offered him more and his manager convinced him to sign there. He then became remorseful and after talking to Robbie he asked for our original offer to be reinstated and it was, so he backed out of the Canberra deal.

This is not to pick holes in your argument, which I agree with, just saying how I remember the events with Tedesco.

I wasn't actually saying that is what happened, I was using that as a hypothetical how how we have managed the cap in the past and trying to explain to people how just bcos Blairs contract is ending doesn't mean we actually have that money available for next year as it is more than likely being used to backload someones contract who we couldn't pay market value to this year because we had players like Blair and Lawrance on backloaded contracts.

Its important to see the restraints we are working under, its not as simple as saying we have player x coming off contract so that should allow us to buy players.

Really the only way to fix this situation is to take the couple of years of pain to clear the backloaded contracts. We are basically paying players, for their previous years at the club.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I think people would get a rude shock when they find out how much coin the 6 and 7 are on.

What price for

1\. Tedesco
6\. Moses
7\. Brooks
9\. Cherrington

Teams raided Austin and Martin from us because they knew we had to outlay big dollars to retain them.

Would you prefer Reynolds and Hodgkinson?

 

[mctiger]

I think people would get a rude shock when they find out how much coin the 6 and 7 are on.

How much?

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[Tiger_Watto]

My understanding is the grant from the NRL can be used in any way shape or form to run our Club being players, ex Coaches, Mascots etc…
I stand to be corrected but that is my understanding of it.

The Grant can it is completely up to the Clubs in how they allocate it …..but what has that to do with Salary Cap issues...The Salary Cap Floor is 92.5% of the Salary Cap which MUST be spent on players salaries or the Club will receive a Breach notice....two entirely separate issues

With all the backloaded payments, its feesable that we could simply be operating week to week on 70-80% of the cap, with those backloaded contracts being allocated as the remainder.

Thats a clear advantage to other teams (assuming they dont have same problem)

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[Wimpy's Well]

If we are still paying Tim Sheens that surely doesn't come out of our salary cap - I assume salary cap is for the players at the club

True but its $ instead of going to players is going to Sheens

 

[jirskyr]

I think people would get a rude shock when they find out how much coin the 6 and 7 are on.

Pray tell, you know something official?

 

[Chevy]

We are a basket case,however there is a rumour that an NRL club is over the salary cap similar to what the Bulldogs were done for when caught rorting the cap last decade.
You have the usual suspects,Broncos,Rorters etc the good news is that it couldn't be the WT and probably is our only way of dodging the spoon if the culprit gets caught out.

 

[Eddie]

I think people would get a rude shock when they find out how much coin the 6 and 7 are on.

Pray tell, you know something official?

Know a guy who coached at Blamain for years and coached them in the juniors for Balmain.

I reckon both the halves are on 400 + . Or will be as the contract on folds.

Take it with a grain of salt if you wish i would not say its official at all.

But it is no secret we were desperate, clubs were circle ing. We had to pay overs to keep them.

And we had to reward potential rather then results in awarding these contracts.

I just hope they stay hungry because the money they are on i reckon it would be easy to think your a star already when reality says they could still be in 20s at most good NRL clubs.

 

[krayola]

If there's one thing I can't imagine it's Brooks getting complacent or lazy. That guy definitely wants to succeed.

 

[Eddie]

If there's one thing I can't imagine it's Brooks getting complacent or lazy. That guy definitely wants to succeed.

Not saying your wrong by any stretch… Seems like a good kid

However how do you know this??

However I saw Adam Reynolds out there warming up 20 minutes prior to every other player in the pre game working on all different sorts of kicks. Stories of him at Southss staying back 2 hours after training perfecting everything.

The real best are workaholics and perfectionists. The question I have is is the culture there at our club to make a young player a real hard worker?? Is the money too big at this point to make them earn every cent and drive themselves?

I think they are valid questions. I have no mail on Brooks either way but he looks like a deer in the head lights every time the media ask him something.

 

[alexaki]

If there's one thing I can't imagine it's Brooks getting complacent or lazy. That guy definitely wants to succeed.

Not saying your wrong by any stretch… Seems like a good kid

However how do you know this??

However I saw Adam Reynolds out there warming up 20 minutes prior to every other player in the pre game working on all different sorts of kicks. Stories of him at Southss staying back 2 hours after training perfecting everything.

The real best are workaholics and perfectionists. The question I have is is the culture there at our club to make a young player a real hard worker?? Is the money too big at this point to make them earn every cent and drive themselves?

I think they are valid questions. I have no mail on Brooks either way but he looks like a deer in the head lights every time the media ask him something.

Spot on every time I go and watch Souffs play I wonder why our halves are not out there 30 min before the normal warm-up practising their kicks like Reynolds does…he is such a perfectionist with his kicks....and our boys have along way to get to his standard of kicking game.....

 

[alexaki]

I don't understand why we have to pay blair when he asked for a release.its like what the eels are doing with sandow.he has asked for a release,the eels have said yes but sandow wants a payout.the eels have said no to that so that's the end of it.when blair asked we should have said the same thing to what the eels have done.we are such a dumb club.

We said he can look elsewhere and he did….so it was our call to **"let him go"** and the condition the Broncos picking him up was that WT would pay a % of his 2015 salary of $550k....that % goes against our 2015 salary cap

 

[supercoach]

I can see it know,by 2017 both Brooks and Moses will have mastered the defensive requirements of the NRL and their attacking game will be lethal due to the experience they have gained and the effect of a reduced interchange.Their contract expires,and are lured to Bondi Junction, so the Tigers are back to square one.

Off to see my the shrink to see if he can give me a pill to get over my negativity.