Same sex marriage debate...

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

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I agree with you. I believe the bible is just made up stories that somebody put out there and people believed in it and it continued on. Someone else probably saw this and got jealous and wrote his own book and called it the Koran and said this is the REAL story, and so on. In the end if you believe in something then good on you as long as you don't try and preach or convert me then i'm happy for you.
My wife and son are church goers which is great because i get some peace and quiet sunday morning to read the paper and watch Sports Sunday.

Not long ago we were sitting at the dinner table and my son says 'Dad why don't you believe in God?' so i told him my thoughts. His comeback was ' Because you don't believe in God you won't come to heaven with me and Mum, you'll go to hell'. Pretty heavy for him to think this but i assured him that i'm a betting man and i'll take the punt on it.

I get told exactly the same every week, I will burn forever in Heaven, my finger nails will be pulled out, hot stuff will be coming out of ears and mouth etc etc.. What a beautiful brainwashing to give young children. Gays receive the same treatment in the Bible that is why it should be censored - I certainly hope that is one of the ripple effects that Abraham raves on about will occur.

 

[Nelson]

I am not arguing against the idea, im laughing at the way both sides are presenting their cases…
No campign...society may fall if its passed
Yes campaign...if its not passed the bigots and homophobes win.
Both ideaologies are flawed and ultimately incorrect IMO.

That's not a good summary of what people have been arguing…feel free to offer an opinion of your own, it's ok the words won't really hurt you.

 

[TrueTiger]

This thread is crazy. It started as a poorly written love note to Ian Roberts and morphed into a battle between some of this forums most celebrated blowhards, each arguing points that the others are paying very little attention to.

One last blowhard to complete the deck, welcome.

As usual Stryker comes into the conversation with little to contribute except for sarcastic humour to amuse himself,well done Stryker,once again your immaturity stands out…and I apologise if the thread was poorly written,many others seem to understand the topic...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

A man in Melbourne has been jailed for marrying a 14 year old girl. Distirbing that that type of marriage receives less condemnation than 2 consenting adults.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

now even physical attack on politician on the opposite side (coward attack on Tony Abbott tonight), these idiot(s) shall be tarted and feathered, and definitely locked away for a few years :bash

It's a wonder that he guy didn't cop a flogging as Abbott can more then handle himself.

Don't be too hard on him. The poor bloke was only doing what three quarters of Australians would love to do to him.

 

[stryker]

I am not arguing against the idea, im laughing at the way both sides are presenting their cases…
No campign...society may fall if its passed
Yes campaign...if its not passed the bigots and homophobes win.
Both ideaologies are flawed and ultimately incorrect IMO.

That's not a good summary of what people have been arguing…feel free to offer an opinion of your own, it's ok the words won't really hurt you.

Yes it is both sides are totally intolerant of each others concerns. The greater majority of us in the middle just want the conversation to end as this issue is around the 5000th most important issue in the world right now. That is my opinion and i have expressed it already. I won't say how I voted because its none of your business. I dont know why so many want to divulge how they did.

 

[stryker]

A man in Melbourne has been jailed for marrying a 14 year old girl. Distirbing that that type of marriage receives less condemnation than 2 consenting adults.

Yep its a far more distressing and important issue.

 

[stryker]

This thread is crazy. It started as a poorly written love note to Ian Roberts and morphed into a battle between some of this forums most celebrated blowhards, each arguing points that the others are paying very little attention to.

One last blowhard to complete the deck, welcome.

As usual Stryker comes into the conversation with little to contribute except for sarcastic humour to amuse himself,well done Stryker,once again your immaturity stands out…and I apologise if the thread was poorly written,many others seem to understand the topic...

I understood. I thought it was weird you felt the need to tell us all about your latest wet dream but each to their own.

 

[Yossarian]

It's a forum - a lot of threads are like this. Why you feel the need to tip a bucket of crap on everyone is something only you'd know.

 

[jirskyr]

This thread is crazy. It started as a poorly written love note to Ian Roberts and morphed into a battle between some of this forums most celebrated blowhards, each arguing points that the others are paying very little attention to.

One last blowhard to complete the deck, welcome.

At least this response is concise…its a start.

Not your best riposte.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I've let my thoughts be known that Howard and co should not have changed the law to make it illegal in the first instance, but Stryker is right on at least one thing, it should be way down the list of political importance.

More than seventy five percent of Australians should want to headbutt Abbott for many reasons other than his substantive role in already changing the marriage act. He and his cohorts with their three word slogans and single mindedness damaged our political landscape to create the mire it is today. You and I almost certainly paid for his trip to conspire with an even more backward human being in the shape of Eric Abetz to take our country back to the dark ages.

I don't condone the violence, but I can understand why people can get so frustrated with the likes of Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

For all his shortcomings, most significantly his lack of respect to Julia Gillard, Abbott as a former PM is entitled to respect. We have already reached the dark ages when some coward head butts a former PM at 4.30pm in a major capital city in Australia.

I agree with Stryker that there are more important issues, most prominently domestic violence.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

now even physical attack on politician on the opposite side (coward attack on Tony Abbott tonight), these idiot(s) shall be tarted and feathered, and definitely locked away for a few years :bash

It's a wonder that he guy didn't cop a flogging as Abbott can more then handle himself.

Don't be too hard on him. The poor bloke was only doing what three quarters of Australians would love to do to him.

I don't think highly of Abbott at all, but I don't support him getting belted any more than I would a gay bloke. Violence is unacceptable.

 

[Abraham]

If the Government is not willing to put sufficient free-speech protections in place, and they have indicated they are not, then i will be voting no for my governement to pass this mystery legislation that they couldnt be botherd putting together before taking to the people.

I dont think there is anything even remotely confusing or half-baked about that.

I may have missed something here.

Doesn't the government always passes "mystery" legislation? Have you ever had an early look into proposed legislation before you voted for your MP or any referendum or plebiscite or survey? Do politicians ever develop ready-made legislation before they have a mandate from the people or the parliament to begin changes to the law or constitution?

The government has already summarised the proposed changes to legislation for us anyway: amend the Marriage Act to permit same-sex.

I have never voted in a plebiscite before, have you?

 

[Silentio]

If we've learned anything over the last month, it's that bigotry, intolerance and hate can wear many colours, including rainbow.

 

[Abraham]

Clearly you have stated above that you have no opposition to "gay Marriage" itself but only consequences in other laws (like Anti Discrimination act, etc). The best course of action then is not to deny Marriage to a person and improve the law.

Realistic question here.

Who is going to improve the law?

The centre-left Coalition, the far-left Labor party, or the extreme-left Greens?

Firstly lets get our politics correct. Abbott is from the Radical extreme right, he has even broken his election promises to push his right wing agenda. He pushed many fringe right wingers up. Turnbull formed a slightly more wet coalition, but still with people of the Center right (Bishop), The incompetent right (Morrison) the soft right and the hard right (ie. Dutton, Barnaby, etc.)… All in all they are on the right. They are also in government.
ALP, currently lead by the Vic right aka Bill Shorten, although the Left have more sway in the ALP.

Individual personalities aside, there is barely a single conservative thing about the the current government.

If you understand what conservatism is, where are the massive spending cuts? where are the cuts to regulations? where are the attempts to remove government influence from our lives? where is the social conservatism?

They are a slightly less radical version of Labor. And that's really sad.

As for the second part of your response that i didn't quote, well that has nothing to do with what we are actually being asked to vote for. None of this has been proposed as part of what is actually going on, so i wont be supporting what actually HAS been proposed.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

now even physical attack on politician on the opposite side (coward attack on Tony Abbott tonight), these idiot(s) shall be tarted and feathered, and definitely locked away for a few years :bash

It's a wonder that he guy didn't cop a flogging as Abbott can more then handle himself.

Don't be too hard on him. The poor bloke was only doing what three quarters of Australians would love to do to him.

I don't think highly of Abbott at all, but I don't support him getting belted any more than I would a gay bloke. Violence is unacceptable.

Well Abbott did not mind knocking out Joe Hockey in their uni rugby days.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw-in-the-eye-of-the-leadership-storm-20091127-jwwc.html

 

[Yossarian]

If the Government is not willing to put sufficient free-speech protections in place, and they have indicated they are not, then i will be voting no for my governement to pass this mystery legislation that they couldnt be botherd putting together before taking to the people.

I dont think there is anything even remotely confusing or half-baked about that.

I may have missed something here.

Doesn't the government always passes "mystery" legislation? Have you ever had an early look into proposed legislation before you voted for your MP or any referendum or plebiscite or survey? Do politicians ever develop ready-made legislation before they have a mandate from the people or the parliament to begin changes to the law or constitution?

The government has already summarised the proposed changes to legislation for us anyway: amend the Marriage Act to permit same-sex.

I have never voted in a plebiscite before, have you?

It's not a plebiscite, it's a survey.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

If the Government is not willing to put sufficient free-speech protections in place, and they have indicated they are not, then i will be voting no for my governement to pass this mystery legislation that they couldnt be botherd putting together before taking to the people.

I dont think there is anything even remotely confusing or half-baked about that.

I may have missed something here.

Doesn't the government always passes "mystery" legislation? Have you ever had an early look into proposed legislation before you voted for your MP or any referendum or plebiscite or survey? Do politicians ever develop ready-made legislation before they have a mandate from the people or the parliament to begin changes to the law or constitution?

The government has already summarised the proposed changes to legislation for us anyway: amend the Marriage Act to permit same-sex.

I have never voted in a plebiscite before, have you?

It's not a plebiscite, it's a survey.

There have already been about 500 surveys done on the same topic so a complete waste of money

 

[Tim Sheens]

I may have missed something here.

Doesn't the government always passes "mystery" legislation? Have you ever had an early look into proposed legislation before you voted for your MP or any referendum or plebiscite or survey? Do politicians ever develop ready-made legislation before they have a mandate from the people or the parliament to begin changes to the law or constitution?

The government has already summarised the proposed changes to legislation for us anyway: amend the Marriage Act to permit same-sex.

I have never voted in a plebiscite before, have you?

It's not a plebiscite, it's a survey.

There have already been about 500 surveys done on the same topic so a complete waste of money

But this is Tony, Eric and co's $122,000,000 one. I suppose Australia post had to get some funds to pay such a ridiculous sum to the CEO that mob appointed.