Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11
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SFS brings WT $$ so thats not an easy compromise. Campbelltown is a great suburban ground that the local council and nsw gov has spent millions upgrading over the last 15 years. 4 nrl games a year is not the best use of such a ground and strong rugby league fan base. If roosters or bulldogs moved some of their home games there then that would potentially dissolve the supporter base for WT.
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innsaneink
Well-known member
@wtfl1981 said:
Theres too many stakeholders/ind. interests as the issues that are raised are covered by many ie:
*Wests JRL
*NSWRL
*NRL/WT's
Each post here and on Magpies forum Ive read outlining the protest rally has listed the 4 WTs NRL games at Cambo as the last point….it seems to be primarily a junior league issue which really has little to do with the greater WTs community, imo
Theres too many stakeholders/ind. interests as the issues that are raised are covered by many ie:
***Wests JRL**
Strong Competition that produces good juniors. Funded by Wests Leumeah. Must be protected from any potential Canterbury junior league expansion or poaching.
***Wests NSW Cup Team**
Will be affectively an exhibition team in 2012 with no link to WT or the Wests Junior League. Playing in Campbelltown but nothing to do with Wests Leumeah club.
***NRL/WT's**
-WT has the four games at Ctown but WT cant always control scheduling due to TV rights. No day game for 2011 was dissapointing. WT takes advantage of junior base and funding from Wests Leumeah but personally i still see WT as an inner city club that travels for 4 home games at ctown.
-NRL may or may not endorse teams like roosters or bulldogs moving in for home games
***Wests Ashfield**
-Funds both Magpies NSW Cup team and Wests Tigers. The only stakeholder keeping the traditonal western suburbs magpies identity alive at NSW Cup level. Still an oddity considering there is a Ashfield leagues club funding a team playing at Campbelltown.
***Group 6 issues**
as outlined in above posts - not healthy scenario for all involved
**Compare this directly to another similar fringe Sydney location like Penrith for example they have:**
One NRL team playing all games at one ground
Biggest junior league nursery in Australia
One path of junior development
Able to go outside the 'one brand' and have Windsor Wolves as a NSW Cup team (not ideal but thats the way NSW Cup structure is)
Panthers Leagues club network that supports the club as a whole.
Sadly, Campbelltown remains somewhat of a white elephant for Rugby League.
***Wests JRL**
Strong Competition that produces good juniors. Funded by Wests Leumeah. Must be protected from any potential Canterbury junior league expansion or poaching.
***Wests NSW Cup Team**
Will be affectively an exhibition team in 2012 with no link to WT or the Wests Junior League. Playing in Campbelltown but nothing to do with Wests Leumeah club.
***NRL/WT's**
-WT has the four games at Ctown but WT cant always control scheduling due to TV rights. No day game for 2011 was dissapointing. WT takes advantage of junior base and funding from Wests Leumeah but personally i still see WT as an inner city club that travels for 4 home games at ctown.
-NRL may or may not endorse teams like roosters or bulldogs moving in for home games
***Wests Ashfield**
-Funds both Magpies NSW Cup team and Wests Tigers. The only stakeholder keeping the traditonal western suburbs magpies identity alive at NSW Cup level. Still an oddity considering there is a Ashfield leagues club funding a team playing at Campbelltown.
***Group 6 issues**
as outlined in above posts - not healthy scenario for all involved
**Compare this directly to another similar fringe Sydney location like Penrith for example they have:**
One NRL team playing all games at one ground
Biggest junior league nursery in Australia
One path of junior development
Able to go outside the 'one brand' and have Windsor Wolves as a NSW Cup team (not ideal but thats the way NSW Cup structure is)
Panthers Leagues club network that supports the club as a whole.
Sadly, Campbelltown remains somewhat of a white elephant for Rugby League.
1_4_chicken_chips
New member
Whats wrong with the wests junior league?
Our club is thriving with two or three sides in every division.ESA is huge.LCC is huge .as for the Eagles there management took sides and formed a new club the Liverpool Titans,so nobody lost out there.
Group 6 is already included in the junior Wests rep sides which gives them double the selection.
Balmain, Souths,Saints,Manly,and Norths under 14s and up all play in the same comp because of the lack of sides .The Wests junior competition is thriving so i count that out as a problem.
Our club is thriving with two or three sides in every division.ESA is huge.LCC is huge .as for the Eagles there management took sides and formed a new club the Liverpool Titans,so nobody lost out there.
Group 6 is already included in the junior Wests rep sides which gives them double the selection.
Balmain, Souths,Saints,Manly,and Norths under 14s and up all play in the same comp because of the lack of sides .The Wests junior competition is thriving so i count that out as a problem.
I'm not sure what 'senior grades' refers to galahs but if it means 'A' grade, reserve grade and perhaps U18's then I can't see Wests Tigers being too interested resolving any deficiences as by the time players reach this level, if they haven't made grade, then they play mainly out of enjoyment of rugby league. Years ago, before Wests moved to Campbelltown, the local campbelltown comp was part of Group 6 especially at senior level. It was a strong competition with a number of first graders (including sheens) playing in the comp after finishing their grade careers.
If the protest is about seniors playing in Campbelltown and/or group 6 then I can't see a lot of interest. If the protest is about the way the Wests Junior comp (kids) is run in Campbelltown/Liverpool then I don't know that there will be a lot of interest due to many not knowing what the issues are. The issue of Wests Tigers only playing 4 games a season at Campbelltown is more of an issue to locals from what I can gather, the topic is raised in the local media and by Council, that could gain some support although official bodies haven't got very far to date. From what I have heard a useful starting point might be to see whether it is possible to salvage the relationship between Wests Leagues at Campbelltown and the Wests Magpies at senior level.
If the protest is about seniors playing in Campbelltown and/or group 6 then I can't see a lot of interest. If the protest is about the way the Wests Junior comp (kids) is run in Campbelltown/Liverpool then I don't know that there will be a lot of interest due to many not knowing what the issues are. The issue of Wests Tigers only playing 4 games a season at Campbelltown is more of an issue to locals from what I can gather, the topic is raised in the local media and by Council, that could gain some support although official bodies haven't got very far to date. From what I have heard a useful starting point might be to see whether it is possible to salvage the relationship between Wests Leagues at Campbelltown and the Wests Magpies at senior level.
@galahs said:
So WHO did organise this action!!!!!! Please answer the question who are these people of Campbelltown there must be a group.Sounds like a bit of self interest happening here ..The Magpies had nothing to do with it !! except all the demands surround the Magpies and what certain types have been going on about for years . :deadhorse:
Joel Helmes
Well-known member
The truth is, if you got down to it, the people interested in protesting want a greater WT's presence in Campbelltown.
I'm from the Balmain side of the marriage but I can admit the club is more Balmain than West's.
This may not be intentional it's just business - yes there are many businesses in Campbelltown but the Harry Triguboff's of the world aren't going to drive their Bentley's to Leumeah on a Sunday afternoon. You also wont get guys like Benji, Lote and Adam Blair setting up home in Eagle Vale (no disrespect to the people who live there).
Also lets be honest the people of the Campbelltown region were never really engrossed in the Magpies and I don't think even if the Tigers played all their games there that they would be able to replicate the support we get from fans and sponsors in the inner west.
I don't think however that you can blame this situation on anything but the constant infighting that seems to take place between the two West's licensed clubs and the football club.
Until they are all on the same page the West's Magpies element will continue to fade away sadly.
I'm from the Balmain side of the marriage but I can admit the club is more Balmain than West's.
This may not be intentional it's just business - yes there are many businesses in Campbelltown but the Harry Triguboff's of the world aren't going to drive their Bentley's to Leumeah on a Sunday afternoon. You also wont get guys like Benji, Lote and Adam Blair setting up home in Eagle Vale (no disrespect to the people who live there).
Also lets be honest the people of the Campbelltown region were never really engrossed in the Magpies and I don't think even if the Tigers played all their games there that they would be able to replicate the support we get from fans and sponsors in the inner west.
I don't think however that you can blame this situation on anything but the constant infighting that seems to take place between the two West's licensed clubs and the football club.
Until they are all on the same page the West's Magpies element will continue to fade away sadly.
innsaneink
Well-known member
@helmesy said:
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Great post…..I see it much like you do, this coming from an original Magpie (circa Lidcombe)
The Magpies had 14 years to get it right in Cambo, they couldnt and thus had to merge with Balmain....they still cant seem to get it right yet some seem to think they have some right to even more in the JV just because the district covers a very large area geographically. (Still an important factor though in the broad scheme of things)
My thinkings changed often on this and many other topics (home grounds one) several times since the JV began....just oh so over the inlaws bitchin, over it, the past is past look to the future.
Good luck to those with the Magpies Jnrs protest though, hopefully something fruitful comes of it
H
highlander80
Guest
@helmesy said:
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You say they wouldnt live at Eagle vale?? Maybe true but if they were based in the region they could live in many "upmarket" places? Camden,Picton,Dehnam court, Oran park, Cobbity, Grassmere even down here in Bowral (good enough for Alan jones ) these areas all have propertys over the 1 mill mark So to say the region is just Campbelltown and that stigma is a joke!! Its not 1987 when it was Cambelltown you now have Macarthur as a massive region and growing FAST!! with clubs from Liverpool, Campbelltown, Camden, Wollondilly and Southern Highlands.
And Yes maybe the people of Macarthur werent taken by the Magpies but have the WT done anything to make them feel different??
With the amount of subdivison taking place and with clubs that Easts setting up lisense clubs in the region do the Wests tigers want to take the gamble of loosing there biggest and growing region??
And there will be plenty at the rally and the tigers know it!!!
redemption
New member
This is petulant nonsense!!!
If you want a greater stake bring something more to the table than a couple of hundred people whinging!!!!
If you want a greater stake bring something more to the table than a couple of hundred people whinging!!!!
Far too much is made about the rumour (when is this actually going to happen???) that the Roosters will set up a licensed club out in the Macarthur area. A licensed club means bugger all. It doesn't mean they'll run juniors. Plenty of bowling clubs around here and yet I don't fear being over-run by lawn bowlers. Nothing to stop Wests Campbelltown setting up a club in every suburb if they wanted to and could get the necessary licenses.
Joel Helmes
Well-known member
@highlander80 said:
I think there's a difference between a 70 year old radio broadcaster and a 24 year old footballer. There are heaps of nice spots in and around the Macarthur but getting young single guys interested in settling down there is another issue.
If the WT's were move to Campbelltown it would weaken their position in the battle against the other NRL clubs and AFL I feel.
We need to foster and maintain a strong presence in the Macarthur for sure but putting all our eggs in that basket wouldn't be a wise move, especially while the West's half of the merger don't have their house in order.
Were are a little off topic, Good Luck in the protest. Junior and Amateur league must be supported,
Most can agree that singularly the greatest decision in Wests Tigers Operational History was the creation of Camp Concord at the beginning of the Tim Sheens era.
This put aside the stupidity of multiple training sites and stadiums and consolidated resources, staff and centralised travel. Players and staff all knew where they would be based at and chose accommodation accordingly.
Wests and Balmain are gone, Wests Tigers are a great new club and one of our teams greatest assets is that they are not almost exclusively supported by locals.
Most can agree that singularly the greatest decision in Wests Tigers Operational History was the creation of Camp Concord at the beginning of the Tim Sheens era.
This put aside the stupidity of multiple training sites and stadiums and consolidated resources, staff and centralised travel. Players and staff all knew where they would be based at and chose accommodation accordingly.
Wests and Balmain are gone, Wests Tigers are a great new club and one of our teams greatest assets is that they are not almost exclusively supported by locals.
Joel Helmes
Well-known member
@Spartan117 said:
Yeah some good points Spartan the travelling football club of the WT's first few years was a disaster, Sheens can very much get a pat on the back for changing that.
And that's a good point too, there are WT's fans everywhere, the days of "local" teams are gone.
Well done on the Wests Junior League clubs that are organising this rally. It is about time they are heard and hopefully this rally will make the stakeholders in the game sit up and listen.
The junior league has been the victim of all the rifts between the Wests group (Football Club, Leagues clubs and council).
Hopefully the outcome is that:
1\. the Wests Tigers take more control of the running of the day to day operations as a more professional approach has been needed for a long time. 2\. Wests Tigers have more of a presence in the area. 3\. more resources are made available to the junior league clubs.
All Wests Tigers supporters should be behind the junior clubs as in the long run it will result in a more successful Wests Tigers.
The junior league has been the victim of all the rifts between the Wests group (Football Club, Leagues clubs and council).
Hopefully the outcome is that:
1\. the Wests Tigers take more control of the running of the day to day operations as a more professional approach has been needed for a long time. 2\. Wests Tigers have more of a presence in the area. 3\. more resources are made available to the junior league clubs.
All Wests Tigers supporters should be behind the junior clubs as in the long run it will result in a more successful Wests Tigers.
GNR4LIFE
Well-known member
@highlander80 said:
Pretty nice debut post there
@Staks said:
Totally agreed! I think the Wests Tigers should not only take over the Wests junior leagues but also Balmain. I'd be happy to watch both Wests and Balmain die leaving Wests Tigers to run both junior leagues and having just one rep squad from Matts through to NSW Cup.
Im all for supporting all junior sports in the western suburbs of sydney, and feel that if the junior league is not being supported this is an issue worth protesting.
That said I cant support most of the "demands"
The move away from a central location such as Concord would be pure folly. I understand that the Macarthur is growing and has an excellent population base. However an inner suburbs location provides far more commercial opportunity.
As for pathway to NRL, the pathway for a kid in the Macarthur is clear. Wests (Matts and Ball), WT NYC, than the NRL full time squad, all fringe players in the same side….this makes footy sense.
I think that more than 4 games is desirable, however the commercial advantage of playing games at the SFS means that we are left with only 8 games to be spread across 2 extremely popular suburban grounds....if either had less than 4 it would be a travesty. Id like to see more games at both suburban grounds, but does not seem to be an option right now.
That said I cant support most of the "demands"
The move away from a central location such as Concord would be pure folly. I understand that the Macarthur is growing and has an excellent population base. However an inner suburbs location provides far more commercial opportunity.
As for pathway to NRL, the pathway for a kid in the Macarthur is clear. Wests (Matts and Ball), WT NYC, than the NRL full time squad, all fringe players in the same side….this makes footy sense.
I think that more than 4 games is desirable, however the commercial advantage of playing games at the SFS means that we are left with only 8 games to be spread across 2 extremely popular suburban grounds....if either had less than 4 it would be a travesty. Id like to see more games at both suburban grounds, but does not seem to be an option right now.
