Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11

@highlander80 said:
I guess the thousands of young familys moving out there every year and settling down don't count must be a mirage of houses!! and baseing an NRL team in a part of WESTERN SYDNEY Would weaken against AFL and other clubs who have raided this district for 20 years!!! Not being rude but are you serious Do you have any idea of the size and growth of this region.
You are correct on Wests not having there house in order but things change and there starting to get some very handy allies!!!

People move out there for affordability highlander, not because they wouldn't prefer a place in Breakfast Point.

It's sad that the merger created less of a presence in WS, but you don't just need a big nursery of players, you need a viable business case. The players will follow the money.

I agree, something needs to be done, and hopefully over time WT can sacrifice profits and have a greater WS presence, but they can't while they are running at a loss.
 
Wests Tigers geographically cover such a large area that I can't see how we will ever get to a situation that satisfies all supporters in terms of where games are played. It's a pity that a location equidistant to Cambo and Leichhardt can't be found and developed so all our games are played from there. An established one that comes to mind is Homebush but I know some think it is too big and loses atmosphere with a small crowd. The next is redeveloping Concord but Govt would need to do this so there is buckleys of that atm. Back to square one probably the best that can achieved is the give the SFS a miss when that contract expires and play all games at our two home grounds.
 
Must be a presence in the west. Some of you people do not seem to have any idea how big the Macarthur area actually is. And I suspect do not want to know.

Leichhardt whilst a good ground to view a game is a bloody awful ground to get into and out of.

Campbelltown is good ground to view the game and to enter and leave. It has the M5 (and various back roads to use), a rail station 100 metres from the ground. With the addition of a walkway directly from the railway to the front gates of the ground, it would be ideal.

As stated, the area is massive and getting bigger. Young families moving in means young children growing up in the area. The Wests Tigers and the NRL will ignore this area to their peril.
 
Young families actually brings into effect the "Panthers Effect".

So many young people involved with sport of their own so as their family rarely attends games and membership is rare. That and larger family tends to lend itself towards tighter budget constraints sofar as the entertainment dollar.

For mine the best WT can do is concentrate on the now and on the future by spreading its net as far as possible and to be honest the current ground division has done a pretty good job of doing that whilst ensuring guaranteed income and larger numbers of corporate facility and in some instances the selling of those corporate facilities at a lower rate (reciprocated in all cases) for opposition sponsors.

My heart tells me a even split would be perfect. However history and ecconomic reality tell me we have the best of both worlds right now
 
Spot on as usual smeg….I know this first hand

So many young people involved with sport of their own so as their family rarely attends games

Spot the irony.
Clue: Its green

Leichhardt whilst a good ground to view a game is a bloody awful ground to get into and out of.
Campbelltown is good ground to view the game and to enter and leave. It has the M5 (and various back roads to use),
 
@magpiecol said:
Must be a presence in the west. Some of you people do not seem to have any idea how big the Macarthur area actually is. And I suspect do not want to know.

Leichhardt whilst a good ground to view a game is a bloody awful ground to get into and out of.

Campbelltown is good ground to view the game and to enter and leave. It has the M5 (and various back roads to use), a rail station 100 metres from the ground. With the addition of a walkway directly from the railway to the front gates of the ground, it would be ideal.

As stated, the area is massive and getting bigger. Young families moving in means young children growing up in the area. The Wests Tigers and the NRL will ignore this area to their peril.

They aren't ignoring it!!!

Corporates are what makes games feasible. Not ease of access. Both grounds just don't have enough corporate facilities or sponsors to make enough money and help subsidize tickets for families. That's why we play at the SFS. It's for no other reason.

You have to ALSO think of the financial side of it, emotion will run a business into the ground. It's why we had to merge in the first place. An insolvent Tigers REALLY won't help Western Sydney!
 
I`m from the inner west, I followed the Magpies long before they went to Campbelltown and I have fully endorsed the Wests Tigers.
I certainly do not think moving the head office and base at Concord is needed just yet and I don`t know anything about what is going on with the local Campbelltown competition, but anyone who thinks of merging the junior rep teams is good for the Wests Tigers is plain crazy.
The merging of the Wests Tigers contracted players into one team has been a total flop, constantly getting terrible results and hasn`t done the first grade team any favours either.
We won the comp in `2005 with two equal and happy reserve grade teams, IT DOES NOT COST THE WESTS TIGERS ANY MORE MONEY AS WESTS LEAGUES FUNDS THE WESTS MAGPIES RESERVE GRADE TEAM.
Whatever happened to the old saying "Why change a winning formula"???
 
Agree Vicious. there is nothing wrong with the ways things were run in 2005\. If we return to that 60% of the Magpies issues go away in an instant. Have 6 games a year at Campbelltown as was the promised back in 1999 and we will be 99% content!
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WE JUST WANT A FAIR GO FOR OUR REGION. BETTER ADMINISTRATION, BETTER OPPORTUNITIES, MORE THAN 4 NRL GAMES A YEAR!
 
Also the Dragons split their training between Kogarah and Wollongong, if they can do that why is it so hard and too much to ask the Wests Tigers to split their training between Concord & Campbelltown?
I attend many more games at Leichhardt and the SFS than I do at Campbelltown, but I also believe the club (Wests Tigers) and many of our fans are treating the fact that we have so much support and produce so much jnuior talent through the Macarthur Region as a joke.
It`s a merger not a takeover, I know how it`s heading at the moment, it won`t stop me from following the Wests Tigers, but it be harmfull to the long term future of the Wests Tigers to neglect the Macarthur Region like it`s doing at the moment.
 
@Vicious said:
I`m from the inner west, I followed the Magpies long before they went to Campbelltown and I have fully endorsed the Wests Tigers.
I certainly do not think moving the head office and base at Concord is needed just yet and I don`t know anything about what is going on with the local Campbelltown competition, but anyone who thinks of merging the junior rep teams is good for the Wests Tigers is plain crazy.
The merging of the Wests Tigers contracted players into one team has been a total flop, constantly getting terrible results and hasn`t done the first grade team any favours either.
We won the comp in `2005 with two equal and happy reserve grade teams, IT DOES NOT COST THE WESTS TIGERS ANY MORE MONEY AS WESTS LEAGUES FUNDS THE WESTS MAGPIES RESERVE GRADE TEAM.
Whatever happened to the old saying "Why change a winning formula"???

Agree with both of your posts Vicious.

I remember a couple of years ago (I have told this story before) speaking to Sheens about having one reserve grade team instead of Balmain and Wests. He said that he preferred to have two teams as it gives him a lot more players from whom to choose.

I wonder what has changed his mind?
 
@galahs said:
Agree Vicious. there is nothing wrong with the ways things were run in 2005\. If we return to that 60% of the Magpies issues go away in an instant. Have 6 games a year at Campbelltown as was the promised back in 1999 and we will be 99% content!
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WE JUST WANT A FAIR GO FOR OUR REGION. BETTER ADMINISTRATION, BETTER OPPORTUNITIES, MORE THAN 4 NRL GAMES A YEAR!

I think that doing everything that has been outlined in these 'demands' at the expense of the Wests Tigers joint venture simply to appease the 'Magpie issues' that you have referenced would be a stupid decision.

I'm not going to say anything about the junior league situation, as I have no knowledge of those issues.

As seems to be the sentiment, 6 games a piece simply isn't viable for the club, while more games at one stadium of the joint venture partners than the other would be going against the 'fairness' that the Magpies supporters on this forum seem to be campaigning for. The current set-up, in my opinion, is the perfect one for the joint venture as we are placed right now. That doesn't mean it can't and won't change in the future, it just means that now is not the right time. It should be remembered that a couple of years ago it was only three games a piece at the suburban grounds, and our strong position meant that we were able to change that. If we stay the way we are now, slowly we will be in a position to move more games towards the suburban grounds, but as I said before we shouldn't do it now at the expense of the joint venture, simply to appease the very small minority who have a problem with it.

In regard to the moving of the HQ, I think whether it was in the early plans or not, moving to Campbelltown would be another silly decision. In their current position, they have a great training and administration facility, in a position close enough to the city but also in suburbia. The players are able to find affordable housing which is near or close to the water and close to the city for the younger players. This makes recruitment a lot easier as well. While I have nothing against the Macarthur region, it is a bit stubborn to say that a young footballer would rather live there than in a place near the water and the city. If we were to be attempting to attract a Johnathan Thurston level player (case study only) to the club, the lure of living in Sydney's inner west, near the water and still close to training would be much larger that living in the greater west, an hour and a half in good traffic from the city. For the actual admin facilities, they have a great set up at the moment, and being close to the city and all the corporate support significantly helps the work of the sales and marketing team. If we were to move out west, not only would it make it harder for the actual employees who don't live near there, it would make securing significant corporate support much harder.

Finally, in regard to the State Cup set-up, it has been discussed to no end on this forum, and I think that if Wests Tigers have decided to make a decision in what they see as their best interests, but at the expense of Wests Magpies (who did themselves have the opportunity to support the measure but decided against it), it is again a naive and stubborn decision to demand support from the joint venture and its partners who voted in favour of it. People may reference the 2005 premiership where we had two second tier teams as it working, but what isn't understood with that, is that we had very few, if any, major injuries in that season, and as a result, the second tier players were hardly called upon. Last year, we had a large number of major injuries, and in my opinion, the one second-tier squad meant that players were able to slot in and out of the first grade team and still contribute to a successful team. In that way, it was a major success that we were able to make the semi finals with so many injuries, and that in itself is a big tick to the single squad.

I know that this post itself will be picked apart as much as possible by everyone that supports this 'protest rally', but I call on them to actually read this, and think in an objective manner about the situation (particularly in relation to demands of Wests Tigers) before going ahead with this action which I believe to be unnecessary and more likely to cause more problems than it will solve.
 
A good example against your argument is the fact that some of the Wests Magpies players were far out performing the BRET players, yet could not get a look in to be called up for the Wests Tigers as they were wearing the wrong jersey?
What sense does that make?
The big issue is that like in `2011 selection of out fringe players who now represent BRET is often wrong. By having two feeder clubs it gives us many more options to fall back on when our reserve grade side is performing terribly like it did in `2011.
As for combinations, they should be training once per week at Campbelltown with the Wests Magpies side so that combinations are not a problem when the Wests Magpies players are called apon.
 
In relation to the suburban grounds and from my understanding the NSW/Federal Govt have no interest in spending any more money on either ground, I wouldnt be suprised if we out-grow the capacity of both Leichhardt & Campbelltown within the next 2 years… We could be faced with the reality of:

2 Years - 3 games at Leichhardt, 3 games at Campbelltown, 6 games at SFS.
4 Years - 2 games at Leichhardt, 2 games at Campbelltown, 6 games at SFS, 1 game at Suncorp, 1 game in Wellington (as our Fan Base is growing well beyond Sydney)

I'll organise the Pub Crawl for the Suncorp Game :righton:
 
@Tiger Watto said:
In relation to the suburban grounds and from my understanding the NSW/Federal Govt have no interest in spending any more money on either ground, I wouldnt be suprised if we out-grow the capacity of both Leichhardt & Campbelltown within the next 2 years… We could be faced with the reality of:

2 Years - 3 games at Leichhardt, 3 games at Campbelltown, 6 games at SFS.
4 Years - 2 games at Leichhardt, 2 games at Campbelltown, 6 games at SFS, 1 game at Suncorp, 1 game in Wellington (as our Fan Base is growing well beyond Sydney)

I'll organise the Pub Crawl for the Suncorp Game :righton:

Can you hear my bells Watto I'm there brother :wink: :laughing:
 
nothing wrong with dreaming…

Ironically, 2005 and 2006 were our 2 highest Home Crowd averages and the mix was 3 Leichhardt, 3 Campbelltown, 5 ANZ, 1 New Zealand?
 
under the guidence of the Wests Tigers the campbelltown/liverpool area is being lost due to the balmain faction of the merger.

balmain brings nothing to the merger
 
@happy tiger said:
@Tiger Watto said:
In relation to the suburban grounds and from my understanding the NSW/Federal Govt have no interest in spending any more money on either ground, I wouldnt be suprised if we out-grow the capacity of both Leichhardt & Campbelltown within the next 2 years… We could be faced with the reality of:

2 Years - 3 games at Leichhardt, 3 games at Campbelltown, 6 games at SFS.
4 Years - 2 games at Leichhardt, 2 games at Campbelltown, 6 games at SFS, 1 game at Suncorp, 1 game in Wellington (as our Fan Base is growing well beyond Sydney)

I'll organise the Pub Crawl for the Suncorp Game :righton:

Can you hear my bells Watto I'm there brother :wink: :laughing:

With a bit of warning I'll commence serious training to prepare for the pub crawl :laughing:
 
An online petition has now been setup.

http://www.petitiononlineaustralia.com/petition/save-our-sides-rugby-league-protest-rally/277
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Please sign it if you want a better deal for the Liverpool and Macarthur districts!
 
@Original Magpie said:
under the guidence of the Wests Tigers the campbelltown/liverpool area is being lost due to the balmain faction of the merger.

balmain brings nothing to the merger

It was never "had" to be "lost".

If anything there are more Wests Tigers supporters in the Macarthur area than there were Magpies supporters. Remember back to the first 5 years of our merger. Getting outnumbered by fans supporting the Dogs and Dragons at home and these were people from the local area in the most part.

Simple reality is that success builds fan bases. Not some concept of "connection with an area"

Anyway. Galahs this is obviously an issue you have great passion for and are working towards something you think is the right way forward and I applaud you for that. I hope it goes ok for you
 

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