Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11

[galahs]

Mate how are the Wests Tigers saving $1 million from killing off the Magpies when…. they have never given us a cent in funding????????????????????
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Answer that!

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**The merger has meant Wests Tigers have needed to spend up to $1 million annually to support two NSW Cup teams.**
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Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys said last night that junior development programs needed to be a higher priority than running two State Cup sides.
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"In my opinion Wests Balmain and Wests Tigers spend an inordinate amount of time, money and effort on the NSW Cup, and I believe we'd all be far better off if some of that time, effort and money was redirected into the junior leagues and junior development programs," he said.
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"I've expressed that view to the Wests Tigers directors."

SNAP!

Did you read my reply.
Mate they don't give us a cent.

So you say…..

Do you have any connections to the State Cup team or are you just a fan?

I am an active volunteer within the club, i have our annual report infront of me, and know the facts on where we get our funding.

 

[Chris]

So you have a connection and a vested interest in the club??

Is this annual report public anywhere?

 

[batboy]

That is just ridiculous… You think Balmain isn't as dead as the Magpies after this year??
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The last couple pages reads as though people with a Balmain background are dancing on the Magpies grave over this decision. Very disappointing

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I have a feeling many combatants in this discussion do not understand the business model of Wests Tigers and the role of the leagues clubs.

 

[Kul]

I have a feeling many combatants in this discussion do not understand the business model of Wests Tigers and the role of the leagues clubs.

agreed

Wests Group (or whatever) and Balmian pay what, around $200k a year to WT? What ever the value is, it MUST be equal between the two.

Humphrey's comments are strange, however it may have been taken out of context. If, as Galahs says, Wests spend $250k a year on their State Cup side, then it's reasonable to assume that Balmain spend about the same (Im sure someone could quote a figure).
Either way, a few hundred thousand dollars is spent on two state cup sides that, if merged, would save a combined figure that could be spent on bigger grants to the JV.
Perhaps this is what Humphreys was talking about

 

[galahs]

Are you assuming that Wests Ashfield fund the side because of the Value of the Magpie Brand, Or because of the link to the Wests Tigers… I think you will find it's the latter.
Club sponsorship is for the benefit of the Club.... They need something for thier money, What is the Magpies supplying them for thier outlay?
Why isn't Wests Campbelltown funding the side? They are right there, Play the games next door etc, etc...
Ashfield is closer to Leichhardt than Campbelltown....

They support the magpies because it is in their constitution to do so.

 

[galahs]

The Leagues clubs according to the joint Venture constitution only have to put in money to make up any short fall the Wests Tigers have up to a limit off $1.5 million each.

If the Wests Tigers don't request the money from the leagues clubs they don't have to pay them a cent.
This is how Balmain Leagues Club which we all know is broke, is continuing to uphold their end of the deal.

What ever Blamain put in, Wests are obliged to meet.

If Balmain Leagues fails to meet its financial obligations it technically breaches the constitution, its shares in the joint venture then become for sale to the remaining shareholders.

Wests Tigers have enough sponsors to not force them to ask for big funds from the Leagues Clubs.

 

[Chris]

Galahs, now that Stephen Humphreys has said that the junior leagues will take priority over the NSW Cup teams, one of which you have an interest in, are you still rallying and why?

 

[batboy]

Are you assuming that Wests Ashfield fund the side because of the Value of the Magpie Brand, Or because of the link to the Wests Tigers… I think you will find it's the latter.
Club sponsorship is for the benefit of the Club.... They need something for thier money, What is the Magpies supplying them for thier outlay?
Why isn't Wests Campbelltown funding the side? They are right there, Play the games next door etc, etc...
Ashfield is closer to Leichhardt than Campbelltown....

They support the magpies because it is in their constitution to do so.

….. That answers 1/3 Questions

 

[galahs]

Wests Campbelltown only sponsor the local Junior League. Supposedly they came to an agreement with Wests Ashfield on this decision. Why this decidion can't be reviewed beats me.

Magpies supply opportunities for kids to play football. They get to publicise that fact and we hold end of year functions and AGM's at the club.

 

[galahs]

Galahs, now that Stephen Humphreys has said that the junior leagues will take priority over the NSW Cup teams, one of which you have an interest in, are you still rallying and why?

Chris, We want to see action, we no longer accept lip service.
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There are also more issues at hand than the Magpies. Rugby League in the area is a shambles.
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Will I see you at the rally Chris?

 

[batboy]

I wouldn't claim to fully understand the buisness model (Can anyone?), But I own / run my own buisness… It really isn't hard to see the buisness sense in what has/is transpiring.
Apart from pleasing the Magpie diehards, There is no Logical reason or advantage to having 2 State Cup sides... Period!!
Upteen pages of the same old arguement stemming from different every direction is YET TO REMOTELY PROVIDE ONE!!
If the Money can be spent elsewhere within the Organisation to provide a greater advantage to the Wests Tigers.... BRING IT ON I say!!
EVERY OTHER TEAM WORKS ON 1 FEEDER SIDE.... Heck!!! Melbourne won last years Minor Prem with half!!
Why would we need 2??

I have a feeling many combatants in this discussion do not understand the business model of Wests Tigers and the role of the leagues clubs.

 

[Chris]

Is rugby league in the area not the jurisdiction and responsibility of th WSDRLFC? What pro-active measures have they taken to improve the state of junior leagues in the area?

No, I will not be attending the rally.
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[batboy]

Wests Campbelltown only sponsor the local Junior League. Supposedly they came to an agreement with Wests Ashfield on this decision. Why this decidion can't be reviewed beats me.

**Me too… But how is this the fault of WT's?**

Magpies supply opportunities for kids to play football. They get to publicise that fact and we hold end of year functions and AGM's at the club.

**We can all appreciate that mate, But there wouldn't be a kid in the area that dreams of playing for the Magpies.**

 

[galahs]

I understand that, just like no kid ultimately wants to play for the Windsor Wolves or Wentworthville.

So are you saying kids arn't inteligent enough to understand the pathway they can take to get the NRL?
Geez that is a touch harsh mate

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I understand that, just like no kid ultimately wants to play for the Windsor Wolves or Wentworthville.

So are you saying kids arn't inteligent enough to understand the pathway they can take to get the NRL?
Geez that is a touch harsh mate

They'd be way more excited if they had a Wests Tigers team in the NSW Cup to make it clearer!

 

[wtfl1981]

Rugby League goes more then beyond the WT NRL team. Junior development path and structure(s) should be the best in the country for such a large league playing and league following area. Its a mess!! Wests campbelltown doesnt get along with WSDRLFC then ashfield doesnt get along with Wests ctown and junior league, bad blood with group 6, WT dont want magpies nsw cup, WT arent interested in a real presence in the macarthur area beyond 4 nrl games. Its a sad state for rugby league in the area. WT is virtually another inner west/city sydney NRL team. Paying top dollar for imported or marquee players may help WT but getting and securing good campbelltown junior talent playing for WT is priceless
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[Chris]

Is rugby league in the area not the jurisdiction and responsibility of th WSDRLFC? What pro-active measures have they taken to improve the state of junior leagues in the area?

No, I will not be attending the rally.
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Galahs…..

 

[batboy]

Too many variables for me mate, The way it's touted here anyone would think there is enough talent coming out of the area to field a competitive NRL team.
Out of all the Guys come out of the area worth mentioning, How many have we missed, What position did they play and were they better than the guys we had at the time we missed them?
Get the numbers do the math and then filter them into 15/16 potential clubs.
I think we would have no more or no less local juniors starting in first grade than any other team, And the ones we do have we wouldn't swap for 95% of the players in the Comp anyway!!
All in all I think we are doing ok from and by our farmlands….

Rugby League goes more then beyond the WT NRL team. Junior development path and structure(s) should be the best in the country for such a large league playing and league following area. Its a mess!! Wests campbelltown doesnt get along with WSDRLFC then ashfield doesnt get along with Wests ctown and junior league, bad blood with group 6, WT dont want magpies nsw cup, WT arent interested in a real presence in the macarthur area beyond 4 nrl games. Its a sad state for rugby league in the area. WT is virtually another inner west/city sydney NRL team. Paying top dollar for imported or marquee players may help WT but getting and securing good campbelltown junior talent playing for WT is priceless
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[Gary_Bakerloo]

Wests Group (or whatever) and Balmian pay what, around $200k a year to WT? What ever the value is, it MUST be equal between the two.

Humphrey's comments are strange, however it may have been taken out of context. If, as Galahs says, Wests spend $250k a year on their State Cup side, then it's reasonable to assume that Balmain spend about the same (Im sure someone could quote a figure).
Either way, a few hundred thousand dollars is spent on two state cup sides that, if merged, would save a combined figure that could be spent on bigger grants to the JV.
Perhaps this is what Humphreys was talking about

Agreed. Humphries comments do appear incorrect and are probably out of context or he is are assuming that the costs of Wests Tigers and the joint partners are grouped together one.

Wests Ashfield have made the following payments to Wests Tigers:
2009: $212K
2010: $150K
2011: Sources on this forum claim no funding required from the Leagues club this year.

The following payments have been made to Western Suburbs (this would include all teams):
2009: $450k
2010: $600k

In 2009 & 2010, Wests Ashfield made a profit of $1.3m and $1.9m respectively.

Balmain Leagues made a donation of $932k to Balmain Football Club in 2010\. You would assume that $150k of this amount was required for Wests Tigers. This implies $782k for the Balmain Football Club. Balmain Leagues made a loss of $3.2m. This followed on from a loss of $5.5m in 2009.

It is not hard to understand why there is a need to streamline costs. Balmain Leagues is not in good shape and if Wests Tigers can pay for the State Cup team, that is one less liability they need to cover. Wests Ashfield is no doubt on board as it will save them a few hundred grand.