Sheens confirms Brooks/Madge 'Issues'

[KH1988]

I think going by the last two Sheens interviews - if/when it becomes apparent we are missing the 8 Maguire gets the boot

 

[crazycat]

The whole bomb thing on the 5th tackle happens when the team don't make enough ground up field to make any attacking raid - we don't have any Tommy T's in our sqaud to score length of the field tries. It is a tactic all teams use to give their defenders time to get in the face of the opposition in defence. If it is over used its because of our lack of field position in the opposition half and a poor kick chase to drive any ascendancy in defence. You need leaders on the field to drive defence, force errors and give something for the attack to work behind - then you might see some improvement in the way the team plays.
Our strike rate when in the opposing teams 25 was pretty good. Getting there was the problem especially against quality teams

It was more then just Tukalai (assuming you mean that Tommy T). Chris Lawrence and I think Tedesco did it too, maybe Korobete as well.

 

[TigerWest]

Well, shop Brooks around if he cant handle Madge's playing style...

Madge just wants him to RUN the ball..

but I am kind of thing he might also want him to put bombs up every 5th tackle.

who knows..

Know Brooks isn't exactly popular but cmon Madge's style of play is honestly the most boring, bland and uninspiring brand of footy.
I'd rather poke my eyes out than endure another year of it.
Almost everyone needs to raise their game really.

To be fair to Madge, if the team couldn’t play that game, what hope do you think they would have had, if they got something more technical?

IMO, it’s only boring, bland and uninspiring if we are losing.

 

[Tigerdave]

Good stuff from Sheens.

Buzz certainly likes trying to dig up negatives.

 

[TillLindemann]

The whole bomb thing on the 5th tackle happens when the team don't make enough ground up field to make any attacking raid - we don't have any Tommy T's in our sqaud to score length of the field tries. It is a tactic all teams use to give their defenders time to get in the face of the opposition in defence. If it is over used its because of our lack of field position in the opposition half and a poor kick chase to drive any ascendancy in defence. You need leaders on the field to drive defence, force errors and give something for the attack to work behind - then you might see some improvement in the way the team plays.
Our strike rate when in the opposing teams 25 was pretty good. Getting there was the problem especially against quality teams

Excellent point, you nailed it.

 

[Lauren]

Well, shop Brooks around if he cant handle Madge's playing style...

Madge just wants him to RUN the ball..

but I am kind of thing he might also want him to put bombs up every 5th tackle.

who knows..

Know Brooks isn't exactly popular but cmon Madge's style of play is honestly the most boring, bland and uninspiring brand of footy.
I'd rather poke my eyes out than endure another year of it.
Almost everyone needs to raise their game really.

To be fair to Madge, if the team couldn’t play that game, what hope do you think they would have had, if they got something more technical?

IMO, it’s only boring, bland and uninspiring if we are losing.

Not sure what you're asking but I'm assuming you mean tactical.
That is his job. To improve the tactical ability and therefore cohesion of the team.
If I have however misinterpreted you and you do in fact mean technical, then that is still his responsibility. To enhance the basic/fundamental (technical) skills - individually and collectively - so they can develop more suitable tactical skills and are better equipped for situational factors/conditions during games.
So yes I'd like to see him address this.

Also no offence but any wins we did get, most ultimately felt like losses anyway. I honestly could never be content with our inability to adapt to a style that plays to our advantage.
It was absolutely horrendous to watch and I personally hope we don't get a repeat of it.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

The clown is still pushing the agenda that we can't sign players. Now it's "you haven't signed any big names outside of Api and Papali'i".

If we sign 2 more it will be "you haven't signed any big names apart from Api, Papali'i, player x, player y".

I do like how Sheens plays him though, especially the bit about you haven't signed big names and he mentions how he had no big names in 2005.

That would've been tough for Buzz to swallow 😂
Glad Timmy put him in his place

 

[hank37w]

So the old... Gotta have patience, 3 years routine.
Heard that before

Still better than the Gus 5 year plan that took the best part of 10 years and in the end he wasn't even there to enjoy the final result.

 

[Geo]

Funny no point winning it one year .. then bombing the next..

Wests Tigers 2006-9 personified.

Sheens has always been a good communicator..

 

[BAGNF05]

Buzz didnt get anything from sheens except positives even though Buzz was all about developing negative outcomes in this interview.

Honestly Buzz could have really twisted some of those replies, but he let them go. E.g. the Madge / Brooks problem, he could have made an article entirely out of that and twisted every word.

However my guess is this was an olive branch between the club and the DT / News, which is why Sheens sat down with Rothfield and answered so many questions.

Sheens is back in a PR role as our reputation is/was clearly mud. The 3 year plan is realistic and the signings we’re making are in line with the vision. Just need to extend Stef now and get him some help upfront.

 

[Glenji95]

Buzz didnt get anything from sheens except positives even though Buzz was all about developing negative outcomes in this interview.

Honestly Buzz could have really twisted some of those replies, but he let them go. E.g. the Madge / Brooks problem, he could have made an article entirely out of that and twisted every word.

However my guess is this was an olive branch between the club and the DT / News, which is why Sheens sat down with Rothfield and answered so many questions.

Sheens is back in a PR role as our reputation is/was clearly mud. The 3 year plan is realistic and the signings we’re making are in line with the vision. Just need to extend Stef now and get him some help upfront.

Thompson or Paulo would defiantly help him Twal does a good job but we do need more power upfront

 

[TigerWest]

Well, shop Brooks around if he cant handle Madge's playing style...

Madge just wants him to RUN the ball..

but I am kind of thing he might also want him to put bombs up every 5th tackle.

who knows..

Know Brooks isn't exactly popular but cmon Madge's style of play is honestly the most boring, bland and uninspiring brand of footy.
I'd rather poke my eyes out than endure another year of it.
Almost everyone needs to raise their game really.

To be fair to Madge, if the team couldn’t play that game, what hope do you think they would have had, if they got something more technical?

IMO, it’s only boring, bland and uninspiring if we are losing.

Not sure what you're asking but I'm assuming you mean tactical.
That is his job. To improve the tactical ability and therefore cohesion of the team.
If I have however misinterpreted you and you do in fact mean technical, then that is still his responsibility. To enhance the basic/fundamental (technical) skills - individually and collectively - so they can develop more suitable tactical skills and are better equipped for situational factors/conditions during games.
So yes I'd like to see him address this.

Also no offence but any wins we did get, most ultimately felt like losses anyway. I honestly could never be content with our inability to adapt to a style that plays to our advantage.
It was absolutely horrendous to watch and I personally hope we don't get a repeat of it.

So you think an $800k per year experienced half should be coached to play what is in font of him? That's on Brooks. Do you remember the Parra game at there new home ground, a couple of years ago? When Moses ripped us to shreds, short kick over our blokes to score? That's what an $800k player should be looking to do, imo.

He can only coach them to the point before they enter the field, after that it's on them and they failed. It's not mod footy?

Yes I did mean technical, in that they couldn't cope with basic plays well, how could Madge proceed to more technical plays, they were struggling. I maintain that the players just weren't up to the task. It seems the club may have agreed with that as well, because he is still here.

Again, imo, any win is gold and if we need to grind the win out, so be it.

 

[innsaneink]

Our strike rate when in the opposing teams 25 was pretty good. Getting there was the problem especially against quality teams

I thought going from memory... As well as stat's... showed it was the opposite..clear memory of us bumbling ng around in their 20, side to side often with no result

 

[Telltails]

Our strike rate when in the opposing teams 25 was pretty good. Getting there was the problem especially against quality teams

I thought going from memory... As well as stat's... showed it was the opposite..clear memory of us bumbling ng around in their 20, side to side often with no result

Definitely the case in the last game - woeful all over the park and especially in their 20.

 

[palms]

Our strike rate when in the opposing teams 25 was pretty good. Getting there was the problem especially against quality teams

I thought going from memory... As well as stat's... showed it was the opposite..clear memory of us bumbling ng around in their 20, side to side often with no result

Agree Ink, we had no direction inside the opposition 30. The play book was usually hit up, hit up, Brooks short ball to Garner or block play out the back, hitup, hitup, kick too deep and opposition restart on the 20m like or into the oppositions legs.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Reread article this morning. Sheens-
Other clubs, as you and I know, not only spend their salary cap but have the ability to extend it.
Probably the highest rank to confirm what everyone knows

 

[Tim Sheens]

Buzz: You’ve got this fantastic new facility at Concord but what about Campbelltown and the massive nursery that has produced Jarryd Hayne, Israel Folau and James Tedesco. What are you doing about that area?
Sheens: We’re all over it. The pathways we’ve introduced now are the best I’ve seen. We have Matt Betsey (former coaching and development manager at Cricket Australia) heading it up with Brett Kimmorley. We’ve got a clear vision of what we’re doing. It’s a huge area. We’ll have four teams — the Andrew Johns Cup, the Laurie Daley Cup, Harold Matthews and SG Ball. We had more than 300 kids trialling the other day. It’s huge.
Buzz: I was up in Newcastle last week looking at their pathways. Their old legends like Joey, Danny Buderus, Steve Simpson and Kurt Gidley are all involved. Your club seems to have turned its back on its legends. I’m talking about Blocker, Benny, Siro and Jimmy Jack. Why aren’t they involved?
Sheens: There are Balmain legends and Wests legends. We also have Wests Tigers legends. The club formed 20 years ago. I want to make this clear. They are all very welcome. We already have Robbie Farah, Benji Marshall, Ben Galea, John Skandalis, Simon Dwyer, Siro and Pat Richards doing stuff for us. Siro is in charge of Balmain pathways, Noddy coaches the halves in pathways. I’m involved as well, watching as much as I can. We’ve got Warren McDonnell back doing recruitment. He knows more about rugby league in the western suburbs than anyone on the planet. Warren thinks our Matts group is the best he’s seen in 10 years.
Buzz: You seem quite excited about what’s ahead. Will you stick your head into the NRL squad?
Sheens: No. I’m not coaching. Madge and I chat regularly. We are in each other’s ear and with his new assistant coaches. I’m not looking over his shoulder and watching every training session. I will have an opinion and Madge knows he’s got me as a sounding board. We’re starting with a blank piece of paper and I’m here to back him up.
Buzz: Okay, what can you guarantee Wests Tigers fans next year?
Sheens: I’m going to work hard and so is everyone else. We’re all doing extraordinary hours. Processes lead to outcomes. The goal is to improve the effort every week and the results will come. You have fans and you have supporters. **Fans come and go. Supporters and members put their money in every year and stay solid through the tough times. We have a great bunch of those supporters at the Wests Tigers.** They’ve got a lot to look forward to.

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Sensationalistic headline, with the above being the most relevant to us "supporters" as far as I am concerned.

As for the headline, always maintained that Maguire does not coach enough to player’s strengths, leaning much more heavily towards moulding square pegs and trying to fit them into round holes that he prefers. That trait is not peculiar to Brooks, rather across the field.

The new assistants with Sheens hovering will have a good deal of influence on changing the results of that and I expect to see a number of existing players flourishing in this very different environment across this pre-season and especially come game days.

 

[Lauren]

Well, shop Brooks around if he cant handle Madge's playing style...

Madge just wants him to RUN the ball..

but I am kind of thing he might also want him to put bombs up every 5th tackle.

who knows..

Know Brooks isn't exactly popular but cmon Madge's style of play is honestly the most boring, bland and uninspiring brand of footy.
I'd rather poke my eyes out than endure another year of it.
Almost everyone needs to raise their game really.

To be fair to Madge, if the team couldn’t play that game, what hope do you think they would have had, if they got something more technical?

IMO, it’s only boring, bland and uninspiring if we are losing.

Not sure what you're asking but I'm assuming you mean tactical.
That is his job. To improve the tactical ability and therefore cohesion of the team.
If I have however misinterpreted you and you do in fact mean technical, then that is still his responsibility. To enhance the basic/fundamental (technical) skills - individually and collectively - so they can develop more suitable tactical skills and are better equipped for situational factors/conditions during games.
So yes I'd like to see him address this.

Also no offence but any wins we did get, most ultimately felt like losses anyway. I honestly could never be content with our inability to adapt to a style that plays to our advantage.
It was absolutely horrendous to watch and I personally hope we don't get a repeat of it.

So you think an $800k per year experienced half should be coached to play what is in font of him? That's on Brooks. Do you remember the Parra game at there new home ground, a couple of years ago? When Moses ripped us to shreds, short kick over our blokes to score? That's what an $800k player should be looking to do, imo.

He can only coach them to the point before they enter the field, after that it's on them and they failed. It's not mod footy?

Yes I did mean technical, in that they couldn't cope with basic plays well, how could Madge proceed to more technical plays, they were struggling. I maintain that the players just weren't up to the task. It seems the club may have agreed with that as well, because he is still here.

Again, imo, any win is gold and if we need to grind the win out, so be it.

I only said last our season was lacklustre and that it wasn't very enjoyable to watch.

So sorry I'm not sure what the point of your responses are because I initially suggested the same thing - in almost everyone will need to raise their game.
I have no idea how my comments about an ugly brand of footy arrived to this tbh as we actually share similar opinions and can't do one thing about it.
Try to enjoy the off-season a little. The last thing I want to do is get into with someone to relive such a woeful year of footy, as it doesn't deserve anymore of our attention.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Buzz didnt get anything from sheens except positives even though Buzz was all about developing negative outcomes in this interview.

Honestly Buzz could have really twisted some of those replies, but he let them go. E.g. the Madge / Brooks problem, he could have made an article entirely out of that and twisted every word.

However my guess is this was an olive branch between the club and the DT / News, which is why Sheens sat down with Rothfield and answered so many questions.

Sheens is back in a PR role as our reputation is/was clearly mud. The 3 year plan is realistic and the signings we’re making are in line with the vision. Just need to extend Stef now and get him some help upfront.

Thompson or Paulo would defiantly help him Twal does a good job but we do need more power upfront

Musgrove's performance or lack of it will be a major influence on WT season in 2022, particularly in allowing Stefano development time. If we can have Zane playing an aggressive enforcer type role for reasonable minutes across a good portion of the season, it will assist the rest of the pack such as Twal concentrating on their suited roles and achieve more success as a result.