Sheens....THREAD!!!!...OFFICIAL.

[alien]

There is another rumour going round that when Wests Tigers qualify for the finals in 2010…Sheens will receive a 2 year extention....

Stay tuned!!!!

lol That would make 2 of our supporters very happy. You and Simonthetiger. hehehe

 

[alien]

There is alot of dreaming in this thread and it reminds me of that song 'Dream On' by Aerosmith.

If we do make the finals why would we sign Sheens for another 2 years when he is already here for next year. That would be stupid.

 

[alien]

Selections? So we put Lazarus, Tamana and Moors in the side? Is that going to stop what happened on Saturday?

If you're talking about Taumata he joined the Cowboys weeks ago.

 

[watersider]

taumata sorry. His non-selection led to him to move to North Qld. Point was that I don't think individuals you all are putting up as options are going to change our fundamental style of play. And I don't believe we should change our style of play anyway.

 

[simonthetiger]

I can't believe the hysteria on here. Inconsistent form is a product of the salary cap not coaching. Which side in the competition hasn't had a poor run this year? Our poor run has resulted in 8 wins from 11\. Winning is great, but the way you win is also important. The way we play, when in form is better than any team in the competition.

What exactly is the problem with Sheens?

Selections? So we put Lazarus, Tamana and Moors in the side? Is that going to stop what happened on Saturday?

Style of play? Do any of you want Benji and robbie to stop playing attacking football? Or, are you just unrealistically hoping that every pass should find the mark?

Discipline? which side has less off field drama then us? Was that always the way it was with our clubs?

lack of a halfback? Which team has a high quality halfback at the moment? The modern game has very few quality halves. Which of you was disappointed we gave Lui and Moltzen a go at the start of the year? I still believe the biggest disappointment this season was losing one of our most important players in Moltzen who I believe had solved our problems in the halves.

I think we play with a style that is rare in the modern game and I'll be sad to see the Sheens era pass. He encourages his players to try their hand and the result is spectacular at times and dreadful at other times. I'm glad we are having a go at playing a different style of game to other teams. Having sat through some very average teams in the 90s who could barely pass, I think we are very lucky to have great players playing adventurous football.

Benji, Robbie, lawrence, Rhino, Gibbs, Fulton, Tuaki, Moltzen are Sheens' players. Which players have done better away from Sheens? Harrison? Who else?

Your collective complaining will stop as soon as the next victory comes around. You all look like snivelling children at the moment. Saturday was a brilliant game, I hope to see many more like it and I want Sheens as long as he is wanting to coach us. We will all be talking about how great a team this was to support one day.

Ywp…thats how I feel too.

 

[barrytiger]

I can't believe the hysteria on here. Inconsistent form is a product of the salary cap not coaching. Which side in the competition hasn't had a poor run this year? Our poor run has resulted in 8 wins from 11\. Winning is great, but the way you win is also important. The way we play, when in form is better than any team in the competition.

What exactly is the problem with Sheens?

Selections? So we put Lazarus, Tamana and Moors in the side? Is that going to stop what happened on Saturday?

Style of play? Do any of you want Benji and robbie to stop playing attacking football? Or, are you just unrealistically hoping that every pass should find the mark?

Discipline? which side has less off field drama then us? Was that always the way it was with our clubs?

lack of a halfback? Which team has a high quality halfback at the moment? The modern game has very few quality halves. Which of you was disappointed we gave Lui and Moltzen a go at the start of the year? I still believe the biggest disappointment this season was losing one of our most important players in Moltzen who I believe had solved our problems in the halves.

I think we play with a style that is rare in the modern game and I'll be sad to see the Sheens era pass. He encourages his players to try their hand and the result is spectacular at times and dreadful at other times. I'm glad we are having a go at playing a different style of game to other teams. Having sat through some very average teams in the 90s who could barely pass, I think we are very lucky to have great players playing adventurous football.

Benji, Robbie, lawrence, Rhino, Gibbs, Fulton, Tuaki, Moltzen are Sheens' players. Which players have done better away from Sheens? Harrison? Who else?

Your collective complaining will stop as soon as the next victory comes around. You all look like snivelling children at the moment. Saturday was a brilliant game, I hope to see many more like it and I want Sheens as long as he is wanting to coach us. We will all be talking about how great a team this was to support one day.

totally agree

 

[Chris]

How's that….

There is another rumour going round that when Wests Tigers qualify for the finals in 2010...Sheens will receive a 2 year extention....

Stay tuned!!!!

This bloke is going to be like John Howard when he was PM, he stayed around forever..and people were eager to get rid of him and now look whats happening .. we ended up with Kevin Rudd , Gillard and some wanna be PM in Speedos.
I dont want any clown running the Tigers after sheens leaves.

I never really thought of it this way but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Once Sheens leaves it'll be down hill city.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

When the Fonz leaves I am hiring out the Bankstown Sports club for a week. A million beers on me for everone out there to celebrate the greatest day in history !!!!

 

[Yossarian]

Sheens should be moved on at the end of this season regardless of where we finish. We are badly in need of a fresh change, a fresh approach.

Agreed. I don't think Sheens is a bad coach but I'm coming to the opinion that the team has either stopped responding to him or the team has reached its capacity under his coaching. Like I said, doesn't make him a bad coach, sometimes teams need new ideas or a fresh start.

 

[Yossarian]

When the Fonz leaves I am hiring out the Bankstown Sports club for a week. A million beers on me for everone out there to celebrate the greatest day in history !!!!

That will give you a week to think of a new nickname for the incoming coach so you can bag him for the next few years. :laughing:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

When the Fonz leaves I am hiring out the Bankstown Sports club for a week. A million beers on me for everone out there to celebrate the greatest day in history !!!!

I'm holding you to that.

 

[magpiecol]

Sheens should be moved on at the end of this season regardless of where we finish. We are badly in need of a fresh change, a fresh approach.

Agreed. I don't think Sheens is a bad coach but I'm coming to the opinion that the team has either stopped responding to him or the team has reached its capacity under his coaching. Like I said, doesn't make him a bad coach, sometimes teams need new ideas or a fresh start.

Spot on. And sometimes a team needs new ideas and fresh faces to keep it going. Check out the number of NYC players in other clubs that have injected life into their clubs. Sheens does not give young players a go very much. Check out Brisbane and Canberra to name a couple.

I know you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, however, some players deserve a chance to prove themselves. If they do not respond in a couple of weeks then so be it. I am thinking mainly of Mullaney from the NYC and Pritchard from reserve grade.

Sheens crucified Lazarus by playing him out of position and with no game time. There is really no excuse for this type of selection process.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Sheens does not give young players a go very much.

😱pen_mouth:

Seriously? Ayshford, Benji, Moltzen, Lui, Gibbs, Galloway, Fulton, Farah, Heighington, Collis, Lawrence, Fafita, Dwyer, Lazarus etc, etc, etc might disagree with you.

Sheens has been a master of bringing young players through the ranks. You can bag him for a number of things- but that statement was way off the mark.

There's a whole lot of gesticulating going on around here, but as far as I see it- this team was playing well at the beginning of the year, then Moltzen got hurt & the Tigers have looked about half as good since.

Losing Moltzen has put a serious crimp in the Tigers style since his injury. The forwards are playing fine- for those of you trying to lay the blame of the Tigers success at their feet- they rarely are dominated by opposition packs. The way the Tigers play, the forwards are not DESIGNED to dominate themselves- they lay a platform, tackle their bums off, and let the backs do the sparkly razzle dazzle stuff. Gibbs, Payton, Fulton, Galloway, Ellis, Heighington etc do a fine job of it.

Lui hasn't played up to the level required for him to be a success at halfback- and Benji, as everybody knows, needs that foil to really excel. Without it, Benji is asked to do too much organising- not his strength. As a result, Farah is then required to spend a large portion of his game filling that role- which limits his effectiveness as a dummy half option- teams zone in on Farah at the play of the ball, giving him fewer options, knowing that the attack stems from him or Benji.

McKinnon hasnt become the attacking option we need at fullback- but that could be a developing thing at this point.

I've seen more committment to defence than in previous years, I've seen the tigers win those close, ugly games this year, and I've seen them do it on the back of a revolving door for injuries through the year. Bad when you lose a player for a season like Moltzen. but equally bad when you lose a Lui for 3 weeks, then back for 2, then out for 2, then back for 3 etc- gives no continuity- same with McKinnon- same with Galloway.

Is Sheens the greatest coach in the NRL? No, probably not. But for a team that is built on a few good players & a bunch of promising players- a guy with Sheens' experience is a better option than a win-at-all-costs type like Gould or Stuart- who will fill the roster with experienced players, wring them dry, and leave the club in a hole when they leave. Whoever gets to follow Sheens walks into a great situation- a team that continually generates young talent.

Bag Sheens as much as you like- but try to be objective, instead of just hashing out the tried & used "We need a big prop blah blah…we need a 'real' halfback blah blah" stuff.

 

[supercoach]

The demise of the tigers over the past five years is a result of many things and Sheens is just one part of the problem. If we were to flick Sheens without making sweeping changes right through the whole football club nothing much will change.

Yes I think we should be going in a different direction in 2010, but I also think we need to inject quite a few new players into our roster. Its not that our players dont have talent, its just that their in their comfort zone and its very hard to teach old dogs new tricks.

Where is this new coach and new players going to come from??? Now that is the hard part. Although if the club walks away from the problem because it is to hard than nothing will ever change.

So maybe the club needs to employ a bloke like Gould as a consultant to actually devise a strategy to implement major changes or maybe it might only need some minor changes who knows. We just cant sit on our hands year after year and think things will change.

For me this year has been the most disappointing since 2006, they really could have one hand on the spoon now if the football gods didnt smile on them in many games. So really changes must happen come the end of the season. They need to develope a winning culture

 

[magpiecol]

Sheens does not give young players a go very much.

😱pen_mouth:

Seriously? Ayshford, Benji, Moltzen, Lui, Gibbs, Galloway, Fulton, Farah, Heighington, Collis, Lawrence, Fafita, Dwyer, Lazarus etc, etc, etc might disagree with you.

Sheens has been a master of bringing young players through the ranks. You can bag him for a number of things- but that statement was way off the mark.

There's a whole lot of gesticulating going on around here, but as far as I see it- this team was playing well at the beginning of the year, then Moltzen got hurt & the Tigers have looked about half as good since.

Losing Moltzen has put a serious crimp in the Tigers style since his injury. The forwards are playing fine- for those of you trying to lay the blame of the Tigers success at their feet- they rarely are dominated by opposition packs. The way the Tigers play, the forwards are not DESIGNED to dominate themselves- they lay a platform, tackle their bums off, and let the backs do the sparkly razzle dazzle stuff. Gibbs, Payton, Fulton, Galloway, Ellis, Heighington etc do a fine job of it.

Lui hasn't played up to the level required for him to be a success at halfback- and Benji, as everybody knows, needs that foil to really excel. Without it, Benji is asked to do too much organising- not his strength. As a result, Farah is then required to spend a large portion of his game filling that role- which limits his effectiveness as a dummy half option- teams zone in on Farah at the play of the ball, giving him fewer options, knowing that the attack stems from him or Benji.

McKinnon hasnt become the attacking option we need at fullback- but that could be a developing thing at this point.

I've seen more committment to defence than in previous years, I've seen the tigers win those close, ugly games this year, and I've seen them do it on the back of a revolving door for injuries through the year. Bad when you lose a player for a season like Moltzen. but equally bad when you lose a Lui for 3 weeks, then back for 2, then out for 2, then back for 3 etc- gives no continuity- same with McKinnon- same with Galloway.

Is Sheens the greatest coach in the NRL? No, probably not. But for a team that is built on a few good players & a bunch of promising players- a guy with Sheens' experience is a better option than a win-at-all-costs type like Gould or Stuart- who will fill the roster with experienced players, wring them dry, and leave the club in a hole when they leave. Whoever gets to follow Sheens walks into a great situation- a team that continually generates young talent.

Bag Sheens as much as you like- but try to be objective, instead of just hashing out the tried & used "We need a big prop blah blah…we need a 'real' halfback blah blah" stuff.

Lui, Fafita and Dwyer are the only ones that have come into the squad from the NYC as you well know. The rest of the players you have named came through the lower grades or from other clubs. The selection policy adopted by Sheens is a load of crap. Lui, is a 5/8 not a half back. Moltzen is a 5/8 not a half back, Lazarus is a half back, not a winger, Ryan is a centre, not a fullback or winger. Brown is a winger not a centre or fullback. Farah is a hooker, not a halfback. Benji is a 5/8 not a halfback. Ellis, the best second rower in the world is being used as a bash up prop, not a wide running wrecking ball as he should be. Ditto for Moors.

If you think that this team would not be better with a natural half back then you do not have a clue about football.

 

[Snake]

Magpiecol spot on in every respect the use of certain players as battering rams drives me crazy and the reason why we play like crap is the use of players out of position this is madness and of corse not signing a 1/2 for 5 seasons and this rubbish about when the great man finally leaves the place goes down the tiolet well that will only happen if Stuart gets the gig I personally can't wait for the day the club names a new coach (except Stuart ).

 

[alien]

taumata sorry. His non-selection led to him to move to North Qld. Point was that I don't think individuals you all are putting up as options are going to change our fundamental style of play. And I don't believe we should change our style of play anyway.

I wasn't saying we should change our style of play. I am saying to use players that could execute our style of play better.

 

[innsaneink]

All those individuals were initially recruited by Sheens….if theyre going to change our fundamental style of play then its solely Sheen's fault.

Theres much much more to it, training, attitude, behaviour, if youre in the in club or not - eh Blake?

 

[Tiges05]

I love how with 4 rounds to go and we are coming 5th (equal 2nd on WINS) and we are the worst coached team in the NRL, even worse than last year with our 5 year decline….

Hmmmm....normally this time of year we are talking about having to win 5 from 4 remaining games...and mathematically a chance of making the finals....Yet we are so far behind where we have been

A few other coaches around the place...

Neil Henry - brains behind the first 3 Qld series wins
Kevin Moore - good younger coach, did a brilliant job rebuilding the Bulldogs

I think there are so many people that when confronted with a perfect summers day, would like it a bit hotter...the 'ol glass half full or half empty.....????

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Sheens does not give young players a go very much.

😱pen_mouth:

Seriously? Ayshford, Benji, Moltzen, Lui, Gibbs, Galloway, Fulton, Farah, Heighington, Collis, Lawrence, Fafita, Dwyer, Lazarus etc, etc, etc might disagree with you.

Sheens has been a master of bringing young players through the ranks. You can bag him for a number of things- but that statement was way off the mark.

There's a whole lot of gesticulating going on around here, but as far as I see it- this team was playing well at the beginning of the year, then Moltzen got hurt & the Tigers have looked about half as good since.

Losing Moltzen has put a serious crimp in the Tigers style since his injury. The forwards are playing fine- for those of you trying to lay the blame of the Tigers success at their feet- they rarely are dominated by opposition packs. The way the Tigers play, the forwards are not DESIGNED to dominate themselves- they lay a platform, tackle their bums off, and let the backs do the sparkly razzle dazzle stuff. Gibbs, Payton, Fulton, Galloway, Ellis, Heighington etc do a fine job of it.

Lui hasn't played up to the level required for him to be a success at halfback- and Benji, as everybody knows, needs that foil to really excel. Without it, Benji is asked to do too much organising- not his strength. As a result, Farah is then required to spend a large portion of his game filling that role- which limits his effectiveness as a dummy half option- teams zone in on Farah at the play of the ball, giving him fewer options, knowing that the attack stems from him or Benji.

McKinnon hasnt become the attacking option we need at fullback- but that could be a developing thing at this point.

I've seen more committment to defence than in previous years, I've seen the tigers win those close, ugly games this year, and I've seen them do it on the back of a revolving door for injuries through the year. Bad when you lose a player for a season like Moltzen. but equally bad when you lose a Lui for 3 weeks, then back for 2, then out for 2, then back for 3 etc- gives no continuity- same with McKinnon- same with Galloway.

Is Sheens the greatest coach in the NRL? No, probably not. But for a team that is built on a few good players & a bunch of promising players- a guy with Sheens' experience is a better option than a win-at-all-costs type like Gould or Stuart- who will fill the roster with experienced players, wring them dry, and leave the club in a hole when they leave. Whoever gets to follow Sheens walks into a great situation- a team that continually generates young talent.

Bag Sheens as much as you like- but try to be objective, instead of just hashing out the tried & used "We need a big prop blah blah…we need a 'real' halfback blah blah" stuff.

Lui, Fafita and Dwyer are the only ones that have come into the squad from the NYC as you well know. The rest of the players you have named came through the lower grades or from other clubs. The selection policy adopted by Sheens is a load of crap. Lui, is a 5/8 not a half back. Moltzen is a 5/8 not a half back, Lazarus is a half back, not a winger, Ryan is a centre, not a fullback or winger. Brown is a winger not a centre or fullback. Farah is a hooker, not a halfback. Benji is a 5/8 not a halfback. Ellis, the best second rower in the world is being used as a bash up prop, not a wide running wrecking ball as he should be. Ditto for Moors.

If you think that this team would not be better with a natural half back then you do not have a clue about football.

Well, at least it's clarified- I know nothing about football.