Sheens

[avocadoontoast]

Want to read about Timmy's recent efforts in ESL before his resurrection as guru and messiah at WT?

Hull Kingston Rovers
In September 2016 it was announced that he would join Hull Kingston Rovers for season 2017 and beyond. In Sheens first year at the club, he coached the Hull Kingston Rovers in their promotion back to Super League campaign of 2017. After 2 years at Hull KR, Sheens was sacked due to poor league position, form and loss of 'the dressing room' (implying player support) on 5 June 2019.

Widnes Vikings
On 13 Oct 2020 it was announced that Sheens had resigned as club head coach due to a falling out with management over staffing.


I'm brimful of confidence. NOT!!!

It's a freakin' gravy train, for Timmy and McDonnell and Marshall, instigated, aided and abbetted by Chairman Mouth, the hapless Pascoe and a clueless Board.

Gee thanks scoop

Sheens win record since 2017 - 57%
Madge win record since 2017 - 38%

 

[Lankanflyer10.98]

Former recruitment manager McDonnell did concern me when a little. But if I was being fair did he not somewhat create the Kebra park connection, Marshall, Teo and Bodene Thompson where the first grads of that system. But when I see old blokes get back together, it says "junket". Lets hope its like the reunion of Bennett and Langer for Origin 3

 

[happy_tiger]

Former recruitment manager McDonnell did concern me when a little. But if I was being fair did he not somewhat create the Kebra park connection, Marshall, Teo and Bodene Thompson where the first grads of that system. But when I see old blokes get back together, it says "junket". Lets hope its like the reunion of Bennett and Langer for Origin 3

Actually it was set up before he started with the WT's ......

 

[Lankanflyer10.98]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

 

[Lankanflyer10.98]

Happy tiger, do you know who at the WT tigers made the connection to Kebra, as it was the catalyst to half the NRL jumping on it, they probably deserve a lot more credit than they got.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

There is plenty of room for growth with a lot of our players. It is up to them to either individually put in, or settle for general consensus.

Thats the key to next year's performance.

We have enough talent to at least be very competitive. It's up to the players to buy in.

Last year only a couple did.

I agree totally. So sick of the total blame going to Maguire and Brooks. Sure, they both need to be better but with some increased belief and stacks of hard work, effort and application I truly believe we are only a player or two away from a very competitive team. It’s up to everyone to not be satisfied with being a first grader and do whatever it takes to be a successful first grader. There is a difference!

 

[Tucker]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

This is a very good point.
From a CEO perspective he has done his job, however one aspect of his governance has let him down … the NRL football department has consistently failed.
A move has been made to course correct, bringing in experts and past successful resources in off field capacities. On field resources remain a problem but hopefully these new off field guys will solve this. Should this work, he deserves to be celebrated.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

You’re not the only one

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

This is a very good point.
From a CEO perspective he has done his job, however one aspect of his governance has let him down … the NRL football department has consistently failed.
A move has been made to course correct, bringing in experts and past successful resources in off field capacities. On field resources remain a problem but hopefully these new off field guys will solve this. Should this work, he deserves to be celebrated.

It’s interesting. I know Pascoe had a conversation with the football department pre 2021 asking them did they have everything they needed. He refused them nothing and was prepared to offer more resourcing. They said they were good. IMO there’s not much more he could have done in that situation.

 

[tony soprano]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

This is a very good point.
From a CEO perspective he has done his job, however one aspect of his governance has let him down … the NRL football department has consistently failed.
A move has been made to course correct, bringing in experts and past successful resources in off field capacities. On field resources remain a problem but hopefully these new off field guys will solve this. Should this work, he deserves to be celebrated.

Pascoe was the one who wanted to play football guru, know your limits.

That's five years down the drain which is negligence.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

This is a very good point.
From a CEO perspective he has done his job, however one aspect of his governance has let him down … the NRL football department has consistently failed.
A move has been made to course correct, bringing in experts and past successful resources in off field capacities. On field resources remain a problem but hopefully these new off field guys will solve this. Should this work, he deserves to be celebrated.

Pascoe was the one who wanted to play football guru, know your limits.

That's five years down the drain which is negligence.

By definition a guru sits atop and gives expert advice to all below. This theory of Pascoe’s leadership style flies in the face of the recruitment and retention committee he initiated, that meet regularly to make collaborative decisions. This is fact.
Now I’m not arguing this has worked because our recruitment of established players is poor but to suggest he sees himself as a guru and acts this way is factually incorrect

 

[Tucker]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

This is a very good point.
From a CEO perspective he has done his job, however one aspect of his governance has let him down … the NRL football department has consistently failed.
A move has been made to course correct, bringing in experts and past successful resources in off field capacities. On field resources remain a problem but hopefully these new off field guys will solve this. Should this work, he deserves to be celebrated.

Pascoe was the one who wanted to play football guru, know your limits.

That's five years down the drain which is negligence.

Did he really?
Can you please link me to stories detailing this?

 

[Russell]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

This is a very good point.
From a CEO perspective he has done his job, however one aspect of his governance has let him down … the NRL football department has consistently failed.
A move has been made to course correct, bringing in experts and past successful resources in off field capacities. On field resources remain a problem but hopefully these new off field guys will solve this. Should this work, he deserves to be celebrated.

Pascoe was the one who wanted to play football guru, know your limits.

That's five years down the drain which is negligence.

Downvote! .....No evidence. That is what you think, not what you can prove with any source you can name.

 

[240z]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

Actually the West Tigers put at least $10m of their money into the project

Also, please remember this is just not a COE for the Tigers. It has multiple uses from indoor netball/basketball courts, community centre, creche, West Harbour rugby, a local soccer team. So the local and State govt have provide probably 1/2 of the new Concord complex to other sports and community requirements

 

[Lankanflyer10.98]

Lidcome Magpie 10 million of their own money, we are much richer than I thought, to spend that kind of money, gives me confidence at the very least in our investments. But it further re-iterates what I said about Pascoe, as they say money does not grow on trees. Correct about shared facilities, you can't just give clubs, "centers of excellence no matter how good the lobbying, government spending must be justified. But the WT player only element for their training is substantial.

 

[batboy]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.


Actually the West Tigers put at least $10m of their money into the project

Also, please remember this is just not a COE for the Tigers. It has multiple uses from indoor netball/basketball courts, community centre, creche, West Harbour rugby, a local soccer team. So the local and State govt have provide probably 1/2 of the new Concord complex to other sports and community requirements

And all of that just happened by itself?

 

[240z]

Lidcome Magpie 10 million of their own money, we are much richer than I thought, to spend that kind of money, gives me confidence at the very least in our investments. But it further re-iterates what I said about Pascoe, as they say money does not grow on trees.

Absolutely agree, to have a spare $10m to put into this venture is a tribute to the financial administrators in the club

 

[240z]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.


Actually the West Tigers put at least $10m of their money into the project

Also, please remember this is just not a COE for the Tigers. It has multiple uses from indoor netball/basketball courts, community centre, creche, West Harbour rugby, a local soccer team. So the local and State govt have provide probably 1/2 of the new Concord complex to other sports and community requirements

And all of that just happened by itself?

Don't get me wrong the Tigers were the major driver for this to happen but there were many other groups assisting this push for the upgrade. You may not realise this but West Harbour rugby have the lease on Concord oval and do for another 10 years. They were also heavily involved in the design for the new stadium

 

[BAGNF05]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

Imagine the sponsors, members etc if we could play footy. I think the brand sells itself, just look at the media thirst for Tigers. He’s crap.

 

[batboy]

I think I might be the only Pascoe supporter on the planet, But as the CEO to get over 20,000 members at arguably the most unsuccessful club(decade no finals) in the NRL, and to be 1 of only 4 clubs to consistently make a profit at the end of each financial year from their own revenue. Salary cap management is poor but also different and is influenced by more departments at the club eg recruitment. Every year we have exceedingly strong sponsors, some clubs start the year without a primary sponsor. But to get a 70 million dollar center of excellence at the complete expense of state and local government, is some serious political lobbying, Lee H would also been on that one. How do we get all of those free to air games, other than Brisbane on Fridays, I think we get line share of what successful teams get on 9/gem.

This is a very good point.
From a CEO perspective he has done his job, however one aspect of his governance has let him down … the NRL football department has consistently failed.
A move has been made to course correct, bringing in experts and past successful resources in off field capacities. On field resources remain a problem but hopefully these new off field guys will solve this. Should this work, he deserves to be celebrated.

Pascoe was the one who wanted to play football guru, know your limits.

That's five years down the drain which is negligence.

I'm not going to try and sway any Pascoe negators...
They've well made up their minds - Based on what, They couldn't tell you... But here it is as I see it.

The CEO of the club is much of a mouth piece for the Board - A board full of Old Magpies, That hired an old Magpie (With limited Head Coaching credentials)
to coach the team... Where is where most of the hassles laid at Pascoes' feet began - Robbie Gate, The Big 4 etc. etc.
To turn a profit of any number in a game where clubs don't turn profit with the organisation as it stood when he took the job until now is a feet on its own. He handled the Taylor situation, and Hired one of the only coaches to win the comp in the last 5 years... Then handled the exit of a pot load of our best players - Could he have kept them, Well - Never say never - But all those players had contracts in front of them for a very long time and were holding the club to ransom (Holding out for something better) THEY HAD ALL WORKED EXIT STRATEGYS
As I also see it, His biggest mistake was giving said coach full autonomy over his Roster - Or was it a mistake? How many coaches take on a job where they don't get to pick the players... NONE!! (Again - Said coach is 1/3 to win a comp in the last 5 years)
So we got lumbered with another 4 years of problems, The Players Cleary bought "Clearys' Players" take us to the 8 and Pascoe is a genius, They don't and he's incompetent. I don't get it, they're the same players, And the club (Not just the CEO) hired a competent coach to choose them...

I don't even Blame the coach for the Player Performance this year, Let alone the CEO - Ridiculous.
There is 3-4 Games we could have easily won this year, That puts us in the 8 and ends these types of conversations....
Wingers letting in 3-4 Tries in the first 20 or so minutes of a game against a team that had barely scored a try all year are situations where our performances is lacking.

Pascoe may not ever be the worlds best CEO, But he's the CEO of arguably the Games worst run club...
He's done nothing but handle catastrophe after catastrophe
All in all, He's actually going OK.