Should we scream at the WT's with our wallets in 2020

[happy_tiger]

Guess it far easier to follow @Geo method .....stick your head in the sand..... and hope we somehow in the next 20 seasons we stumble onto a magic wand or a Jeannie's bottle perhaps

lol..Iv'e said 3 times now if people think your proposal will work and magically turn things around go for it..I'm telling you it won't make one bit of difference to those running the Club or the decisions that they make...

We aren't travelling to bad ATM as it is on the field still have the destiny in our own hands with half a season to go

Maybe just have a Bex and a good lie down you might feel better..

If the club lost 1 in say 4 members they wouldn't care ....is that what your saying

Thanks for exactly making my point Geo .....

Yep ..Membership is a very very small part of financial bottom line...

What you should do is tell the Corprates to start withdrawing their support you might get somewhere then...

I'll give you the prime example the Rorters...they would be lucky to receive 1/10th of 1/5th in membership...lucky to get 3 men and a Rooster to most of their home games until finals roll around ..could not give two hoots if the have members or not..

If you would upset their Corprates watch what would change in the blink of an eye..

We wouldn't be having this discussion if we had their playing record since 2011

Corporates won't be interested in sponsoring sides in empty stadiums

Will it take a wooden spoon before anyone does anything

Yet when we become the side most focussed on to be relocated everyone can't understand why ...lets think of some of the arguments ...."But we have already become a joint venture " , what about Manly , what about Cronulla , what about Saints

Quick reminder ...we have the worst win / lose record of every club still in existence since 1999 , almost as many home grounds as wins this season , a roster that most clubs would laugh about , and are about as attractive recruitment / retention wise as a rabid , man eating grizzly bear's cave

You are now ranting about nothing that has to do with your original proposal..at least stick to the Original thought..

Its all linked Geo

As I mentioned to @GNR4LIFE every season since 2011 we have been able to say we are 2 points out of the 8 around this stage of the season

If the off field isn't on line , the on field probably won't be on line

Our CEO just got back from a NRL imposed 6 month holiday , Marina Go was almost forced out , haven't seen Bazza lining up the potential monster sponsorships just yet

Same old Titanic ...no matter who the band is , captain is , crew is we get the same results ......half way through the trip ...bang iceberg

Yet the same passengers drown in the icy waters

 

[avocadoontoast]

What happens if the squad Maguire assembles for 2021 is rubbish and then he decides to head to greener pastures? Do we have to wait patiently for another 3 years?

 

[happy_tiger]

Yes that will help...not..

The Club is what matters not the individuals that make it up..the Club will always have my financial support as they have since 2000...taking it away only hurts the Club further but each to there own..

Maybe a rally might help with placards and pitch forks or wear your jersey inside out...

So how do your actions help the club .......

Basically you are telling them its OK if they continually screw up

Do you use the same mentality when you buy a car , buy a pie that tastes like crap , have a Dr who makes errors , pick a real estate agent who can't sell your house , buy sub standard furniture ,electrical , a financial advisor who stuffs up your future finances ......

So withdrawing financial support will make them make better decisions..lol

Good luck with that..as I said each to there own...If people think it will help go for it..

Membership money would equate to nothing ..
Would be lucky to pay for an honesty session at Kiama .
I say we riot !
You could even burn an effigy of happy
( by mistake).

@happy_tiger .... buy a yabbie pump son!

Got 3 , 2 cast nets , too many rods and reels

Just get a bigger and better esky me thinks

 

[Toowoomba_Tiger]

There must be a lot of under 30 yo on this forum. Because at 41, this is nothing new.

Balmain, West and Wests Tigers have always been one of the battlers.
In case some of you are too young. Tigers won the Grand Final in 2005. Prior to that they lost 2 Grand Finals in 1988 and 1989. Before that they won in 1969. Pretty much nothing in between.
Now, that's a huge number of coaches, CEO's, board members, recruitment managers and players.

We will never be the Roosters or Broncos or Melbourne.

Stop your bloody whinging and roll with the punches. Us old guys have for a really long time. Otherwise go support another team.

 

[happy_tiger]

What happens if the squad Maguire assembles for 2021 is rubbish and then he decides to head to greener pastures? Do we have to wait patiently for another 3 years?

Off course but .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl-ai9HuR60

 

[Toowoomba_Tiger]

And watch how quick it changes if we get a win tonight.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yes that will help...not..

The Club is what matters not the individuals that make it up..the Club will always have my financial support as they have since 2000...taking it away only hurts the Club further but each to there own..

Maybe a rally might help with placards and pitch forks or wear your jersey inside out...

So how do your actions help the club .......

Basically you are telling them its OK if they continually screw up

Do you use the same mentality when you buy a car , buy a pie that tastes like crap , have a Dr who makes errors , pick a real estate agent who can't sell your house , buy sub standard furniture ,electrical , a financial advisor who stuffs up your future finances ......

So withdrawing financial support will make them make better decisions..lol

Good luck with that..as I said each to there own...If people think it will help go for it..

Membership money would equate to nothing ..
Would be lucky to pay for an honesty session at Kiama .
I say we riot !
You could even burn an effigy of happy
( by mistake).

@happy_tiger .... buy a yabbie pump son!

Got 3 , 2 cast nets , too many rods and reels

Just get a bigger and better esky me thinks

I'm 50 mate

Wests Magpies supporter

Western Suburbs Panthers supporter

Basically neither exist anymore ,Panthers died in 97 after going back to back in 92-93

Got nothing to do with rolling with the punches

This ain't the EPL where we are trying to compete with clubs who have up to 30 times more money than the bottom

Longest record not in the 8 of any side

Worst win / lose record of any club since 99

Club needs to start meeting some expectations .....not accept mediocrity

 

[happy_tiger]

And watch how quick it changes if we get a win tonight.

I'll be happy if they win tonight , but my expectations will barely move if they move at all

Come and see me if we win 5 from our next 6 (including the Roosters )

 

[TrueTiger]

Should we speak to the WT's with our wallets in 2020 That is my question

I woke up this morning and am thinking of telling the family to get me a BCF voucher for the same amount of a WT's membership

After listening to Pascoe last night on NRL 360 we are again in another rebuilding phase which will start in 2021 when we roll the roster over

Justin ....remind me .....is this the same roster you signed off on

Justin is this roster the same You organized for the coach You hand picked which left at the first sign of trouble

Something from the whole Cleary fiasco that stands out is this ....when Ivan was asked about Nathan coming to the WT's it was never raised during the interview process when he was hired

For me is Ivan was the "chosen one " that question HAS to be one of the first 3 questions asked , doesn't it

So as Paul Kent asked last night and you danced around better than Ali danced around the ring is this "why should WT's fans put up with another rebuild"

Why should WT's we potentially face a minimum of 11 years without a finals appearance

Last night's interview just about broke my spirit as a WT's supporter

So if or when Maguire doesn't take us to the promised land , the club listen to the drums beating and get tempted to sack Maguire what then ..another rebuild

I can't find last nights interview to attach it this thread , but if someone can it would be greatly appreciated so we can give an even assessment of his thoughts

Is it just butthurt or do I and many other WT's fans have a right to be royally pissed off

Is it time we tell the club we are sick of the crap and show our disgust be not renewing our memberships .....

Thoughts

I can understand your frustration Hap,however,if you are a passionate supporter such as I,you have to learn to take the good with the bad..understandably the club has made some poor decisions over the years,but you cant completely blow up at Pascoe who has made a sustained effort in placing the club in a very good position since he was here..It becomes a plethora of bad mistakes that kept snowballing which ended us up in cap and overpaid players costing us greatly..we can argue until we are blue in the face,but in the end the people in charge of this club NOW are the ones who have to sift through the rubble and come up with a new policy for the whole club,not just the players who all think are overpaid,they may be but at the time the decisions were good..
This is purely my opinion,but the club has my 100 percent support that they will get it right in the next couple of years,especially with Madge at the helm..
I will be renewing my membership again next year,hopefully my missus will be fit and healthy again to come and watch some games as well..

 

[jirskyr]

Yes that will help...not..

The Club is what matters not the individuals that make it up..the Club will always have my financial support as they have since 2000...taking it away only hurts the Club further but each to there own..

Maybe a rally might help with placards and pitch forks or wear your jersey inside out...

So how do your actions help the club .......

Basically you are telling them its OK if they continually screw up

Do you use the same mentality when you buy a car , buy a pie that tastes like crap , have a Dr who makes errors , pick a real estate agent who can't sell your house , buy sub standard furniture ,electrical , a financial advisor who stuffs up your future finances ......

Firstly, along Geo's lines, it's not just that the club might not be specifically hurt if you withdraw your membership (i.e. the total value is low), but also how does the club know specifically why you are withdrawing your membership? How do they know it's not just natural attrition?

I've never withdrawn my membership so I don't know what happens - do they give you an exit interview? Is there an online survey to capture your reason for withdrawal? Is there a tickbox for "incompetent management" or "continual roster overhaul" or "lack of finals success" or "revenge"?

Secondly, those things you all list, there are alternative options. If you buy a Ford and you don't rate it, perhaps get a Holden next time. Companies make mistakes all the time, and sometimes they don't even make mistakes, they just get out-competed by other companies.

But what's your alternative against the Tigers? Are you gonna join the opposition, buy a Holden? It's like railing against the government - they are in for at least 3 years, let them try and do their job. Many coaches and CEOs don't last longer than 1 term of government anyway.

As Geo said, the absolutely worst way to react is to withdraw your money. The club will DEFINITELY not do better with less money.

 

[jirskyr]

I just watched the interview and I thought that Pascoe handled the situation really well. I don't think the club is in that bad a situation. We do have some players that are being paid overs and we need to get those contracts off our books but overall it sounded to me like the club was fairly well managed.

I totally agree, I reckon it's just a beat-up. For whatever particular reason, the recent media noise about Maguire wanting to move players on has hit a nerve with some people, all of us long-suffering, but some people "who just can't take it any more".

And doubly-so when they see Tigers management being political, dodging questions etc. The CEO is not there for a heart-to-heart or a Women's Day tell-all, he's there to address the media vultures. I would be angry if he gave up Tigers inside information or said something controversial. Maybe Paul Kent was asking the same questions you'd ask, but the difference is that Paul Kent wants blood, he doesn't want what is best for Tigers.

Pascoe isn't dodging the fans, he's dodging the media vultures. Some CEO's don't even engage with the media; was Dave O'Neill from Panthers going on League Life when he was in the middle of sacking / replacing coaches and ousting Phil Gould? (I actually don't know, he seemed to be lying low to me).

Tigers have an average roster. Surprise, surprise, we are in an average ladder position. Yes it's common and yes it's not great. But also, it's not last. We haven't made the finals in ages, but also last 3 completed seasons we've been 9th twice and, again surprise, surprise, we are 9th right now.

Now if people want to get upset because Coach Y doesn't rate Coach X's roster, that is an argument totally lost on me. Nobody at Tigers could be expected to have planned for Ivan Cleary to quit - almost unprecedented. Therefore it's not surprising that a coach leaves and all his signings still have time left on their contracts, because Ivan had the same time left on his contract. Why are people weird about that? Why are people weird that there are players Maguire can't move on until 2021? That was Ivan's contract too, of course he's gonna sign blokes across the span of his own contract.

You also don't sack the CEO or the Board every time a coach changes, simply because they signed off on it.

The current roster is good enough to play finals football. We should still expect to play finals football. If we fail, well even the new coach has responsibility for that, despite limited initial roster influence.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yes that will help...not..

The Club is what matters not the individuals that make it up..the Club will always have my financial support as they have since 2000...taking it away only hurts the Club further but each to there own..

Maybe a rally might help with placards and pitch forks or wear your jersey inside out...

So how do your actions help the club .......

Basically you are telling them its OK if they continually screw up

Do you use the same mentality when you buy a car , buy a pie that tastes like crap , have a Dr who makes errors , pick a real estate agent who can't sell your house , buy sub standard furniture ,electrical , a financial advisor who stuffs up your future finances ......

Firstly, along Geo's lines, it's not just that the club might not be specifically hurt if you withdraw your membership (i.e. the total value is low), but also how does the club know specifically why you are withdrawing your membership? How do they know it's not just natural attrition?

I've never withdrawn my membership so I don't know what happens - do they give you an exit interview? Is there an online survey to capture your reason for withdrawal? Is there a tickbox for "incompetent management" or "continual roster overhaul" or "lack of finals success" or "revenge"?

Secondly, those things you all list, there are alternative options. If you buy a Ford and you don't rate it, perhaps get a Holden next time. Companies make mistakes all the time, and sometimes they don't even make mistakes, they just get out-competed by other companies.

But what's your alternative against the Tigers? Are you gonna join the opposition, buy a Holden? It's like railing against the government - they are in for at least 3 years, let them try and do their job. Many coaches and CEOs don't last longer than 1 term of government anyway.

As Geo said, the absolutely worst way to react is to withdraw your money. The club will DEFINITELY not do better with less money.

I get your and Geo's argument , but like Geo's argument you are shooting yourself in the foot

I know you don't know me from a piece of chalk ....but I'm exactly like you see on here , wherever it is if see something I don't think it right , could be improved , changed etc I think about it , make a suggestion and follow it through to the highest degree

I've quite regularly in the past sent emails to the club and coaches voicing my issues with the club ....and if I pull my membership I will let them know ....I've even mentioned to the club to read the Forums and see what the opinions of the fans are

As I say to many around me , you should be more concerned if I'm not commenting on stuff ....means I don't probably give a crap

The biggest issue is that many at the club blame all and sundry ....Pascoe says last night he hasn't spoken to Cleary since he left

Who cares .....how about admitting he was your choice ......you were undermining the current coach 3 months before Taylor was sacked to gte Ivan here

And then you fail to ask arguably the most important question to YOUR mate and YOUR choice that costs us probably many millions of dollars once this mess is finally over

Then we have Farahgate ...you can argue that we were able to cover the salary cap fine and still recruit Robert Jennings .....but who could we have brought in if we weren't dealing with this stupid oversight , I've no idea what we paid for Jennings , but we may have put ourselves in a great position to have brought possibly Drinkwater ...who knows

You and Geo can argue that memberships aren't important .....but I'm telling you if one in 4 don't renew and tell them why they aren't renewing the club will have lots of questions to answer from many people , including sponsors and even the NRL

This is why I started the thread , people power talks , lets scream it out

Who knows .....

 

[earl]

This is why I started the thread , people power talks , lets scream it out

That isn't helping the club at all. It's simply making the club look worse than it is. I don't understand the dramatics.

 

[happy_tiger]

This is why I started the thread , people power talks , lets scream it out

That isn't helping the club at all. It's simply making the club look worse than it is. I don't understand the dramatics.

Ok then we should all sit on our hands , do nothing and hope lightning strikes again

 

[happy_tiger]

I just watched the interview and I thought that Pascoe handled the situation really well. I don't think the club is in that bad a situation. We do have some players that are being paid overs and we need to get those contracts off our books but overall it sounded to me like the club was fairly well managed.

I totally agree, I reckon it's just a beat-up. For whatever particular reason, the recent media noise about Maguire wanting to move players on has hit a nerve with some people, all of us long-suffering, but some people "who just can't take it any more".

And doubly-so when they see Tigers management being political, dodging questions etc. The CEO is not there for a heart-to-heart or a Women's Day tell-all, he's there to address the media vultures. I would be angry if he gave up Tigers inside information or said something controversial. Maybe Paul Kent was asking the same questions you'd ask, but the difference is that Paul Kent wants blood, he doesn't want what is best for Tigers.

Pascoe isn't dodging the fans, he's dodging the media vultures. Some CEO's don't even engage with the media; was Dave O'Neill from Panthers going on League Life when he was in the middle of sacking / replacing coaches and ousting Phil Gould? (I actually don't know, he seemed to be lying low to me).

Tigers have an average roster. Surprise, surprise, we are in an average ladder position. Yes it's common and yes it's not great. But also, it's not last. We haven't made the finals in ages, but also last 3 completed seasons we've been 9th twice and, again surprise, surprise, we are 9th right now.

Now if people want to get upset because Coach Y doesn't rate Coach X's roster, that is an argument totally lost on me. Nobody at Tigers could be expected to have planned for Ivan Cleary to quit - almost unprecedented. Therefore it's not surprising that a coach leaves and all his signings still have time left on their contracts, because Ivan had the same time left on his contract. Why are people weird about that? Why are people weird that there are players Maguire can't move on until 2021? That was Ivan's contract too, of course he's gonna sign blokes across the span of his own contract.

You also don't sack the CEO or the Board every time a coach changes, simply because they signed off on it.

The current roster is good enough to play finals football. We should still expect to play finals football. If we fail, well even the new coach has responsibility for that, despite limited initial roster influence.

You should go back and watch the comic duo of Pascoe and Cleary

We basically got the same answers to the same questions when they did Q & A 's

But then again ...they didn't really ask themselves the tough questions and I doubt they do it behind closed doors either or if they do they give the same meh answers

 

[earl]

Ok then we should all sit on our hands , do nothing and hope lightning strikes again

Yep. Not long ago we bought through a guy named Tedesco. He is one of the best players in the game. We had Josh Addo-Carr and Korobiete. We will get more chances. We are sitting 9th with a couple of our marquee players not playing. We have what appears to be a good coach and a well managed club from listening to Pascoe talk.

We have some good players on our books now. We seem to be recruiting juniors that are well regarded.

 

[happy_tiger]

Ok then we should all sit on our hands , do nothing and hope lightning strikes again

Yep. Not long ago we bought through a guy named Tedesco. He is one of the best players in the game. We had Josh Addo-Carr and Korobiete. We will get more chances. We are sitting 9th with a couple of our marquee players not playing. We have what appears to be a good coach and a well managed club from listening to Pascoe talk.

We have some good players on our books now. We seem to be recruiting juniors that are well regarded.

The marquee players are fit .....we aren't picking them

I made this point in another comment .....if you don't sign a "people" person coach you end up with a roster rebuild Madge is a good coach ... but he is isn't like a Bennett with treating every player separately

But then who brought this coach in ......

 

[hobbo1]

What happens if the squad Maguire assembles for 2021 is rubbish and then he decides to head to greener pastures? Do we have to wait patiently for another 3 years?

Off course but .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl-ai9HuR60

You whinge harder than 50 poms lol

I just opt for the mediocrity package each year ..
Guaranteed to beat a top 4 side ( once)
Guaranteed to win a minimum of 5 games
Guaranteed to finish 9th or lower !
This way you can’t whinge !
...simples !

Are you still sooky about last Sunday ?
#princesstoadlicker

 

[Jimmy]

@happy_tiger
I’d rather a coach like Madge or Bellamy over Bennett tbh

 

[gallagher]

Ive dropped my membership. Not to try and get change at the club, they just arnt getting my money anymore.