Siege in Sydney Cafe

@happy tiger said:
The young man who managed the business deserves some major recognition for his bravery

I'd like to think I would have the same bravery in that situation , I have often thought how I would go handling a robbery or such

To the families involved and their friends my condolences and RIP
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I don't know if I'd call him 'brave' Happy. His actions got himself and another hostage killed. No one was getting hurt at all until he tried to wrestle the gun from the gunman. Can't be too harsh I suppose, people are stressed and don't really weigh up the consequences of their actions in these situations, but sorry, I think he made a bad decision.
 
but the gun man was falling asleep. Flippedy - this is not intellectual but survival - we weren' there.

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@Flippedy said:
@happy tiger said:
The young man who managed the business deserves some major recognition for his bravery

I'd like to think I would have the same bravery in that situation , I have often thought how I would go handling a robbery or such

To the families involved and their friends my condolences and RIP

I don't know if I'd call him 'brave' Happy. His actions got himself and another hostage killed. No one was getting hurt at all until he tried to wrestle the gun from the gunman. Can't be too harsh I suppose, people are stressed and don't really weigh up the consequences of their actions in these situations, but sorry, I think he made a bad decision.
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I can't speak for his mindset , but I know if I was in his shoes I would feel a responsibility for every person inside my business

I couldn't look at myself in the mirror the following morning if my employees or my customers had died or were injured

We don't know what this individual said , but if he had said he was going to kill everyone you'd have to try and take a chance you could disarm him if the opportunity arose , wouldn't you ??

But again , you just don't know what will kick in , self preservation or the need to take a chance
 
IMO it was a bad decision as well. And that's fine with me- he chose to be brave, he thought about it for a while and grabbed the opportunity when it presented itself.

I'm not so sure about him being a hero though.

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@AmericanHistoryX said:
their both the same

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They are , but do you try and keep yourself alive and trust the police negotiators or do you take a chance when it arises ??

And if someone says he will kill everyone in the room and has a gun and gone to all this trouble you have to take him at face value

And this applies the same to someone who is drug crazed as well

I don't know how true this is , but I was told that someone on ice sees everything 9 times faster So 1 second equals 9 seconds

So if it takes you 10 seconds to get the money from the register or the safe it seems like 90 seconds to the drug crazed , gun totting person

The biggest problem I see is in this current environment is everything seems to be taken to extremes with no thought for the consequences in almost every aspect
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
how was this lunatic not incererated - accessory to murder - his wives, 40 counts of sexual assualt - sending hate mail to fallen Australian soldiers families - mental problems & on bail. Im baffled.

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This happens when successive governments close down institutions for people with severe mental illness and the courts and do gooders go out of their way to allow these people to live freely in the wider community. My sympathies go to the families of those killed.
 
Agree with both your comments Happy and AXH and I would've probably done the same thing in his shoes, once upon a time. In fact, I have done similar, on a much smaller scale than yesterday, of course - when I was in my early 20s chasing a couple of guys down the street after they had robbed our dental surgery, kicking their car door in and getting the money back. I was pleased as punch with myself until the police told me I was an idiot for doing that - I could've gotten shot or stabbed or run over or bashed, but of course I wasn't thinking that at the time. I just wanted the money back, so I acted on instinct.

In this instance, the outcome was good and I was lucky, as these guys weren't armed, dangerous individuals - they were only a couple of young blokes after some drug money, but I learned a valuable lesson that day. The gunman yesterday was armed, dangerous and highly volatile - if the police thought that what I did back then, chasing a couple of unarmed amateurs, was stupid, how much moreso what the cafe manager did yesterday? That's the point I'm trying to make. If he just thought about what he was doing before he did it and decided to trust the trained officers outside, instead, he may still be alive today, who knows. But, as you say, we weren't there.
 
They don't act like humans so why should they be treated like them ?

They leave their countries and come to the countries they supposedly hate and then try to enforce their sickening way of life onto their people. The government needs to boot all this political correctness garbage and protect Australia and it's people at all costs. If anyone doesn't like it they can move..

I'm not referring to Muslims in general but all these extremists groups..

My grandparents and father come from Lebanon and escaped these very groups for a better life in Australia once they begun destroying their country. Now they've followed them here and are attempting to do the same to Australia and it's people.

They rape, torture and behead anyone regardless of their age, as long as they don't believe in their sickening ways then its ok to commit these crimes against humanity.

They show no mercy, so why should our government. They need to come down hard on them otherwise i assure you these sick people will continue to perform acts of terror on Australian soil.
They don't fear death and that in itself is a very scary proposition..

May the two hostages killed rest in peace, a truely tragic event..

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I think it is terribly unfair to judge the man who was killed. Who knows what happened in the hours they were trapped. I think it was an incredibly ballsy move to make considering they all could have easily just waited for him to lose his mind completely and start shooting indiscriminately. I'm sure you're not thinking as clearly when you've had a sawn-off shotgun levelled at you for 16 hours and your survival instincts kick in. I'm not sure I would have had the guts to do what he did.

Unless you've been in the same situation, I don't think criticism is warranted.
 
This despicable act by one man,a serial fanatic and pest,has caused much grief to families who have lost loved ones during this sad crisis.My prayers and condolences go out to them.Iam a Catholic and this time of year is for rejoicing and celebrating our lives with our friends and loved ones.
To my Muslim brothers and sisters who love their families and friends and the Australian way of life,be strong in your hour of need,we are with you…
Let this be a lesson for anyone wishing to take the same path as this piece of garbage...good will always prevail over evil,we are stronger as we unite together during this sad time in our lives...
 
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