Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[The-moP]

@TigerSkins
Maybe you should read the Corey Thompson thread.

Thanks Top .. yes mabye i should refresh my computer more often hey .. doh 🙂

 

[Snake]

@balmain-boy Thanks for being the sites up to date man .. well done !

 

[krayola]

@bigsiro Is the cap only a problem in the NRL? I don't see other codes or leagues having this issue, or if they do, it's nowhere as blatant. Either Politis is just doing what other wealthy owners in other competitions do or the pool of talented players in rugby league is really small and this means player movement has a larger impact.

 

[jirskyr]

@Jessica
The NRL's attempt at having an even competition by having a salary cap and TPA's fails miserably; maybe largely because restraint of trade and other capitalist motives ensure susceptibility to exploitation, let alone legal challenge. The current system does not address the inevitable inequality which results from this exploitation, so the unfortunate ironic outcome is a completely imbalanced and unfair competition.

So, I wouldn't call the NRL framework communist.... or capitalist.....somewhere in-between maybe? Whatever it is, it failed!

BTW, it's all contract law. Torts are social wrongs - more or less.

I don't think it fails miserably at all, it's just a system that has it's flaws same as any other. That's the reality of the world - every system that strives for equality has flaws and people naturally attempt to play the system to their own advantage.

If you look at the data in terms of player movement, premiership winners and finals teams, there is proven to be some level of evenness, even if imperfect. I.e. the NRL has strong data to show that the salary cap does achieve a desired effect.

Ultimately, it's impossible to make everything perfectly even, because even if everyone played by the book, human factors still influence the outcome.

If there was a superior method of evening out the competition, the NRL would surely consider it, because policing the salary cap is resource-consuming. I don't know of other superior options - perhaps only a draft? But drafts are susceptible to exploitation same as any other system.

Also, ultimately, if you remove the salary cap you don't just open up abuse from rich clubs, you put poor clubs at risk of financial self-harm.

If you want to see a completely imbalanced and unfair competition, remove the salary cap and see what clubs like Broncos, Roosters and Penrith do then!

 

[jirskyr]

@bigsiro Is the cap only a problem in the NRL? I don't see other codes or leagues having this issue, or if they do, it's nowhere as blatant. Either Politis is just doing what other wealthy owners in other competitions do or the pool of talented players in rugby league is really small and this means player movement has a larger impact.

No - any sport that institutes salary caps has the same problems as NRL. Obviously some competitions don't bother to handicap teams at all and are comfortable with the glaring disparity between the haves and have-nots, e.g. EPL.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@bigsiro Is the cap only a problem in the NRL? I don't see other codes or leagues having this issue, or if they do, it's nowhere as blatant. Either Politis is just doing what other wealthy owners in other competitions do or the pool of talented players in rugby league is really small and this means player movement has a larger impact.

No - any sport that institutes salary caps has the same problems as NRL. Obviously some competitions don't bother to handicap teams at all and are comfortable with the glaring disparity between the haves and have-nots, e.g. EPL.

A-League is one where cap rorts are often levelled at the rich clubs.

Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC regularly feature in the finals because they have wealthy owners who can pay superior money to land the best marquee players (see ADP, Honda etc.) They are also routinely accused of cap breaching.

 

[bigsiro]

@jirskyr spot on.
All ideologies should theoretically work well in a vacuum - at least on some level. But then there are us humans who muck things up!
I'd say the system has failed here not simply because of human proclivity to be drawn to money, power etc. but because powerbrokers and $$$ are likely to be so much more influential here, in a pool of only 16.
(The fact that some power teams still can't consistently get it together on the field in September is just pure comedy IMO.)
True, it'll never be perfectly even and I don't have the answer for correcting the imbalance, but I don't think opening up the cap, or a draft is the answer. Having said that; rules around TPA's need a proper review - ultimately this will influence the size of the salary cap. So be it. First step maybe is to elect an independent body to review the efficacy of the rules and also the TPA contracts themselves. Currently it is done by an arm of the NRL and by people who have, or previously had club associations.

 

[bigsiro]

@krayola
It's a problem in lots of sports with a cap. That doesn't make it acceptable.
The problem in the NRL is bigger than in other sports because it blatantly allows / turns a blind eye to certain teams who habitually circumvent the rules.

 

[jadtiger]

@bigsiro Is the cap only a problem in the NRL? I don't see other codes or leagues having this issue, or if they do, it's nowhere as blatant. Either Politis is just doing what other wealthy owners in other competitions do or the pool of talented players in rugby league is really small and this means player movement has a larger impact.

No - any sport that institutes salary caps has the same problems as NRL. Obviously some competitions don't bother to handicap teams at all and are comfortable with the glaring disparity between the haves and have-nots, e.g. EPL.

which is exactly why i have no interest in the EPL or F1 racing

 

[Yossarian]

I'm hearing Tommy Talau and Alex Seyfarth...

 

[avocadoontoast]

I'm hearing Tommy Talau and Alex Seyfarth...

I don't think i've seen much of Talau. What position/style of player is he?

 

[Harvey]

Looking who is available for next year I would be happy trying to get Lloyd Perrett from Manly

Big Body only 24 and plenty of upside and would not cost us the same as Marty.

Slim picking but worth a chat rather than what we could have ended up with in Mannah.

He should be nicknamed Lloyd the log. Offers nothing, a younger version of Packer

 

[Nelson]

...Alex Seyfarth...

Gives me Lyle Lovett vibes.

 

[happy_tiger]

Last roster spot will be a development player.

That would be the absolutely worst case scenario. These players can already play first grade in 2 weeks. If we simply promote someone who's already eligible to play it shows that no one wants to come here and we have zero money to play with.
We need 1-2 new players before June 30. Preferably hard running young forwards There must be some young players desperate to play first grade who'd give us a go

Just to clarify Development players can play after June 30 without seeking an exemption but it would still need to be to cover for massive injuries in that position

As an example say you wanted to promote Bradley as a development player you would need basically all your outside back options to be unavailable for selection..If Bradley is made part of the 30 man squad he can be selected regardless of injury to other players..so you could drop a Jennings or Nofoaluma for him to play

Just to clarify - that's incorrect. That's the old system.

As per reports from late last year, this is an excerpt from an article by Brent Read:

***The NRL and the players’ union have listened to frustrated clubs and recruitment managers and will relax their rules on access to development players next season.

Clubs were told this week that they would have carte blanche to use their development players in 2019 once the June 30 deadline for player movement had passed.

That removes one of the chief bugbears for coaches on the contracting system, which underwent an overhaul last season.

Under changes that came into effect this year, clubs are restricted from using development players (each club is allowed up to six players outside their top 30 with a view to the future) unless they received special dispensation from the NRL.

That dispensation was given only in exceptional circumstances and meant a handful of players were prevented from playing first grade at times during the year.

Manly hooker Manase Fainu was among those prevented
from making his debut but he got his opportunity when the Sea Eagles’ playing stocks hit rock bottom.

The NRL has agreed to relax those rules after the June 30 deadline. The NRL and Rugby League Players Association have also agreed with clubs that they must publicise their squads in 2019.***

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-relaxes-contracting-rules-for-2019/news-story/679733185c17342ee17316593849b2ac

Either way when fans are getting all hyped up for a development player possibly coming through or not coming through doesn't say much for your current season ...does it

 

[jirskyr]

True, it’ll never be perfectly even and I don’t have the answer for correcting the imbalance, but I don’t think opening up the cap, or a draft is the answer. Having said that; rules around TPA’s need a proper review - ultimately this will influence the size of the salary cap. So be it. First step maybe is to elect an independent body to review the efficacy of the rules and also the TPA contracts themselves. Currently it is done by an arm of the NRL and by people who have, or previously had club associations.

I agree. I think apart from an independent review body, the best thing they can do for the cap and TPAs is to publish all salaries. That probably gets the NRL into hot water legally, but at least the fans can then see the sum total of contracts and then decide whether or not those are legit for the given player.

That's the main PR problem with the salary cap - perceived inequality by fans. At this time the NRL would tell you all teams are cap compliant, because there are no outstanding investigations. The only way to truly appease the fans is to publish the data.

 

[Nelson]

Anyone hear we signed Brad Parker? NFI if it’s correct.

No but if I were going to troll someone I would probably tell them that their club had signed Brad Parker (or maybe Lachlan Maranta).

 

[WT2K]

Anyone hear we signed Brad Parker? NFI if it’s correct.

Sounds like a signing we'd make

 

[Geo]

Des had Parker playing out of his skin till he got injured..

 

[avocadoontoast]

@Geo absolutely, he was fantastic to start the year.

 

[tony soprano]

His a bit young