Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Demps]

Arrow is a 20s hype boy.

Isn't he a bit beat up in the brain?

He was OK for QLD.

I think he's massively over rated tho.

I agree with you. Souths are desperate for a hard forward. We don't need to pay that money for him. Watch some of our younger forwards progress next year. I believe Seyfarth will have a big year.

I don't think he's hard.
He's defo dopey tho.

They lost it when Teo left.
Now Sammy is gone they're looking soft around the edges.

 

[jirskyr]

There is no way North Queensland and (especially) the Storm have more fans than Souths.
They must have been counting teeth.

Well of course you would know because, well, your impressions of things.

Why can't Cowboys and Storm have more fans than Souths? I actually was looking in the wrong table when I referenced Souths' attendances in my previous post, I was looking at away figures. Souths average H/A crowd 2019 regular season was 16,924, compared to Tigers 15,699, Storm 16,454, Cowboys 14,755. So about 1.5K more than Tigers in 2019-2018, but less than Tigers in 2017. And slightly edging Storm.

That's not even taking into account the fact that 1-team regional clubs like Broncos, Storm and Cowboys don't have the luxury of the local derby crowd boost, i.e. every Sydney team, at least every other week is pulling on two local supporter bases. Cowboys have only their own locals plus the sprinkling of travelers. Tigers get to rely on the Easter Monday clash to reliably boost their annual crowd figures, as do Roosters and Saints with ANZAC Day.

So if Storm can pull 16K on average and consistently 25K members per year - well ahead of Tigers - how can you say they don't have more supporters. Naturally, when Roy Morgan poll people there are going to be folks who claim to be supporters but aren't necessarily voting with their wallet, and that would be true of Melbourne with a large population, as of anywhere else.

But simply in terms of quantifiable data - crowds, membership, official polling, there is no mechanism which illustrates Souths having some particularly massive fanbase compared to everyone else.

The "platitudes" stuff, you are just listening to Souths fans too much. Nobody says "pride of the league" except Souths fans. I can understand the chip on their shoulder, they were kicked out after all. But all that stuff comes from Souths fans only.

Or, I welcome you to keep a running tab of non-Souths people spruiking pro-Souths propaganda at the expense of other clubs, e.g. NRL, Channel 9, Foxtel, the newspapers. Keep a running list of every time you hear such nonsense and report back so we can have a proper look at the "ad nauseum" platitudes.

 

[jirskyr]

Arrow is a 20s hype boy.

Isn't he a bit beat up in the brain?

He was OK for QLD.

I think he's massively over rated tho.

I agree with you. Souths are desperate for a hard forward. We don't need to pay that money for him. Watch some of our younger forwards progress next year. I believe Seyfarth will have a big year.

Souths aren't replacing like with like. Many folks have been bemoaning the lack of Tigers signings for 2020, in light of our losses, but Souths I think are even more surgically lacking.

Sam and George Burgess and John Sutton all gone from the starting pack of 2019. Dean Britt from the bench has gone to Doggies. Their only signing for 2020 is Jai Arrow, then you can count Bryson Goodwin if you'd like. So almost 700 games NRL forwards experience replaced by Jai Arrow.

So their forward pack will consist of Liam Knight, Lowe, Murray, Cook, Tom Burgess, Mark Nicholls, Bailey Siro, Junior Tatola, Jaydn Su'A, now Arrow. That's pretty thin IMO esp up front; they are a bit overstocked for smaller backrowers.

 

[Demps]

Arrow is a 20s hype boy.

Isn't he a bit beat up in the brain?

He was OK for QLD.

I think he's massively over rated tho.

I agree with you. Souths are desperate for a hard forward. We don't need to pay that money for him. Watch some of our younger forwards progress next year. I believe Seyfarth will have a big year.

Souths aren't replacing like with like. Many folks have been bemoaning the lack of Tigers signings for 2020, in light of our losses, but Souths I think are even more surgically lacking.

Sam and George Burgess and John Sutton all gone from the starting pack of 2019. Dean Britt from the bench has gone to Doggies. Their only signing for 2020 is Jai Arrow, then you can count Bryson Goodwin if you'd like. So almost 700 games NRL forwards experience replaced by Jai Arrow.

So their forward pack will consist of Liam Knight, Lowe, Murray, Cook, Tom Burgess, Mark Nicholls, Bailey Siro, Junior Tatola, Jaydn Su'A, now Arrow. That's pretty thin IMO esp up front; they are a bit overstocked for smaller backrowers.

Murray us a gun but the rest of then aren't very inspiring.

 

[TieDye]

So - who could we sign to potentially play centre the next few years (does Talau fill that hole?)... and also who’s the 5/8 everybody keeps acknowledging that we need yet our only backup on the books hasn’t played there and is not a known quantity; Reynolds won’t be available will he??

Believe we’re still quite light on in the backs for this season but who’s available and willing to come for the *right* price to feasibly improve our top 8 chances in 2020.

 

[Russell]

I'm still not up to date on how some folks believe Souths are a powerhouse glamour club being looked after by the NRL.

Their side is almost entirely non-glamour footballers, lots of battlers actually, and they have an ancient coach who is gonna retire soon enough, having knocked Souths back previously.

One premiership to their name and a recent string of finals failures.

If not for Rusty Crowe, a single element, they are on the same playing field as all the other Sydney teams and not in Roosters' league.

Make it simple for ya...
They have a huge fanbase and the NRL looks out for em.

That's actually not correct on the first front, and not proven in any fashion on the second.

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8128-nrl-supporters-june-2019-201909130701

According to Roy Morgan polling this year, Souths have about 30K more people reporting as fans than Tigers in 2019. However this fluctuates - Tigers were ahead of Souths by about 9K in both 2018 and 2017.

Fundamentally, according to Roy Morgan, the fanbases for the bigger Sydney teams like Souths, Dragons, Tigers, Eels and Dogs are roughly equivalent and fluctuate between 350K and 450K every year, i.e. the teams change places over the years but always remain higher than teams like Manly or Cronulla. And they all pale in comparison to the people who report supporting Cowboys, Storm or Broncos every year, without fail.

Souths have more ticketed members than Tigers, about 10K more, thought Souths have been stagnant or slightly declining over the last 5 years whereas Tigers have gone up markedly (15K in 2016, 20K in 2018).

So in terms of fanbase, yes Souths have a decent one, so do Tigers, and every year they are roughly equivalent. Considering also that Tigers haven't made the finals in 8 seasons, you could reasonably expect that Tigers fall well below Souths in support, but that's not borne out.

Even attendance, Souths 2019 averaged 2.5K more than Tigers over the past 4 years, which is quite modest, and you'd expect better attendance from teams that are playing finals footy.

The stuff about the NRL looking out for Souths is just conspiracy theory nonsense.

With Souffs - is that a 3.9% increase in animals or people??

 

[TieDye]

I'm still not up to date on how some folks believe Souths are a powerhouse glamour club being looked after by the NRL.

Their side is almost entirely non-glamour footballers, lots of battlers actually, and they have an ancient coach who is gonna retire soon enough, having knocked Souths back previously.

One premiership to their name and a recent string of finals failures.

If not for Rusty Crowe, a single element, they are on the same playing field as all the other Sydney teams and not in Roosters' league.

Make it simple for ya...
They have a huge fanbase and the NRL looks out for em.

That's actually not correct on the first front, and not proven in any fashion on the second.

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8128-nrl-supporters-june-2019-201909130701

According to Roy Morgan polling this year, Souths have about 30K more people reporting as fans than Tigers in 2019. However this fluctuates - Tigers were ahead of Souths by about 9K in both 2018 and 2017.

Fundamentally, according to Roy Morgan, the fanbases for the bigger Sydney teams like Souths, Dragons, Tigers, Eels and Dogs are roughly equivalent and fluctuate between 350K and 450K every year, i.e. the teams change places over the years but always remain higher than teams like Manly or Cronulla. And they all pale in comparison to the people who report supporting Cowboys, Storm or Broncos every year, without fail.

Souths have more ticketed members than Tigers, about 10K more, thought Souths have been stagnant or slightly declining over the last 5 years whereas Tigers have gone up markedly (15K in 2016, 20K in 2018).

So in terms of fanbase, yes Souths have a decent one, so do Tigers, and every year they are roughly equivalent. Considering also that Tigers haven't made the finals in 8 seasons, you could reasonably expect that Tigers fall well below Souths in support, but that's not borne out.

Even attendance, Souths 2019 averaged 2.5K more than Tigers over the past 4 years, which is quite modest, and you'd expect better attendance from teams that are playing finals footy.

The stuff about the NRL looking out for Souths is just conspiracy theory nonsense.

With Souffs - is that a 3.9% increase in animals or people??

??

 

[Regan]

Arrow is a 20s hype boy.

Isn't he a bit beat up in the brain?

He was OK for QLD.

I think he's massively over rated tho.

I agree with you. Souths are desperate for a hard forward. We don't need to pay that money for him. Watch some of our younger forwards progress next year. I believe Seyfarth will have a big year.

Souths aren't replacing like with like. Many folks have been bemoaning the lack of Tigers signings for 2020, in light of our losses, but Souths I think are even more surgically lacking.

Sam and George Burgess and John Sutton all gone from the starting pack of 2019. Dean Britt from the bench has gone to Doggies. Their only signing for 2020 is Jai Arrow, then you can count Bryson Goodwin if you'd like. So almost 700 games NRL forwards experience replaced by Jai Arrow.

So their forward pack will consist of Liam Knight, Lowe, Murray, Cook, Tom Burgess, Mark Nicholls, Bailey Siro, Junior Tatola, Jaydn Su'A, now Arrow. That's pretty thin IMO esp up front; they are a bit overstocked for smaller backrowers.

And Patrick Mago from the Broncos they have pick up

 

[Tim Sheens]

So - who could we sign to potentially play centre the next few years (does Talau fill that hole?)... and also who’s the 5/8 everybody keeps acknowledging that we need yet our only backup on the books hasn’t played there and is not a known quantity; Reynolds won’t be available will he??

Believe we’re still quite light on in the backs for this season but who’s available and willing to come for the *right* price to feasibly improve our top 8 chances in 2020.

I see Mbye as being able to fill in anywhere in the spine whilst playing at centre otherwise and reckon he would fill a long term vacancy in the six well if needed. Unlike when the at the dogs teaming up with Reynolds, he would be able to concentrate on his own game with Brooks controlling the side.

Like a few others, I think bringing in some speed is essential to WT breaking through to the next level and a game changer at the back to keep us there.

 

[cktiger]

There is no way North Queensland and (especially) the Storm have more fans than Souths.
They must have been counting teeth.

Well of course you would know because, well, your impressions of things.

Why can't Cowboys and Storm have more fans than Souths? I actually was looking in the wrong table when I referenced Souths' attendances in my previous post, I was looking at away figures. Souths average H/A crowd 2019 regular season was 16,924, compared to Tigers 15,699, Storm 16,454, Cowboys 14,755. So about 1.5K more than Tigers in 2019-2018, but less than Tigers in 2017. And slightly edging Storm.

That's not even taking into account the fact that 1-team regional clubs like Broncos, Storm and Cowboys don't have the luxury of the local derby crowd boost, i.e. every Sydney team, at least every other week is pulling on two local supporter bases. Cowboys have only their own locals plus the sprinkling of travelers. Tigers get to rely on the Easter Monday clash to reliably boost their annual crowd figures, as do Roosters and Saints with ANZAC Day.

So if Storm can pull 16K on average and consistently 25K members per year - well ahead of Tigers - how can you say they don't have more supporters. Naturally, when Roy Morgan poll people there are going to be folks who claim to be supporters but aren't necessarily voting with their wallet, and that would be true of Melbourne with a large population, as of anywhere else.

But simply in terms of quantifiable data - crowds, membership, official polling, there is no mechanism which illustrates Souths having some particularly massive fanbase compared to everyone else.

The "platitudes" stuff, you are just listening to Souths fans too much. Nobody says "pride of the league" except Souths fans. I can understand the chip on their shoulder, they were kicked out after all. But all that stuff comes from Souths fans only.

Or, I welcome you to keep a running tab of non-Souths people spruiking pro-Souths propaganda at the expense of other clubs, e.g. NRL, Channel 9, Foxtel, the newspapers. Keep a running list of every time you hear such nonsense and report back so we can have a proper look at the "ad nauseum" platitudes.

All good if you live by statistics alone ....except not every supporter gets a membership or attends games.
I’d also think if you asked a non NRL supporter in Melbourne who they followed they’d nominate the Storm ... same as I’d say Swans if the reverse was asked of me here.
Have a walk around anywhere after Souths win a big game and you’ll get a good idea just how many supporters they have.
In saying that I won’t be keeping a running tab of Souths nonsense for you though.
It’s usually from commentators and well... I couldn’t be bothered.
There you go ... that’s my impressions of things.
Now let’s make some signings.

 

[2005magic]

Brooks has been playing for years now and has never consistently controlled the side. Blame on Farah and others can only go so far. Brooks has shown no ability in being able to control a side. Why do people still expect that from him now? His 5/8 partner should be the one to control and be the organiser. Brooks strength is defence, running at holes and getting the ball away quickly to others.

 

[tiga4eva]

Brooks has been playing for years now and has never consistently controlled the side. Blame on Farah and others can only go so far. Brooks has shown no ability in being able to control a side. Why do people still expect that from him now? His 5/8 partner should be the one to control and be the organiser. Brooks strength is defence, running at holes and getting the ball away quickly to others.

Agree in part, but we've never given him a dominant pack to play behind.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Brooks has been playing for years now and has never consistently controlled the side. Blame on Farah and others can only go so far. Brooks has shown no ability in being able to control a side. Why do people still expect that from him now? His 5/8 partner should be the one to control and be the organiser. Brooks strength is defence, running at holes and getting the ball away quickly to others.

Yet with Farah still there until late in the season, the figures below show that Luke still managed to control the side.

1st for line engaging
6th for try assists
5th for kick metres
14th all runs
5th for support runs
17th for ball received including hookers (3rd for halves)

And that was on top of being halfback of the year in the season prior. Hmmmm, inconsistent?

 

[boonboon]

Dont let facts get in tje way of agendas

 

[innsaneink]

Good one milko 🤣

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Brooks has been playing for years now and has never consistently controlled the side. Blame on Farah and others can only go so far. Brooks has shown no ability in being able to control a side. Why do people still expect that from him now? His 5/8 partner should be the one to control and be the organiser. Brooks strength is defence, running at holes and getting the ball away quickly to others.

My only wish is for him to ice a game when it is on the line. Not just let the plays role out.
Some might say the ball doesn't come his way but my view is he needs to put himself in a better position to get it. And I don't mean he should hog the ball gallen style or just be a link but also back up and run decoys. Literally be around the ball more.

 

[tigerballs]

So - who could we sign to potentially play centre the next few years (does Talau fill that hole?)... and also who’s the 5/8 everybody keeps acknowledging that we need yet our only backup on the books hasn’t played there and is not a known quantity; Reynolds won’t be available will he??

Believe we’re still quite light on in the backs for this season but who’s available and willing to come for the *right* price to feasibly improve our top 8 chances in 2020.

I see Mbye as being able to fill in anywhere in the spine whilst playing at centre otherwise and reckon he would fill a long term vacancy in the six well if needed. Unlike when the at the dogs teaming up with Reynolds, he would be able to concentrate on his own game with Brooks controlling the side.

Like a few others, I think bringing in some speed is essential to WT breaking through to the next level and a game changer at the back to keep us there.

Alex Johnston 2014, 21 tries and leading try scorer, 2015, 17 tries and No.3, 2016, 11 tries in 18 games, 2017, 22 tries, No.4. Those stats are comparable to Radrada, Vunuvali, Addo Carr, Rapana, Holmes and Mitchell. Who wouldn't take any one of those? Johnston would be a massive signing at either wing or fullback.

 

[Russell]

So - who could we sign to potentially play centre the next few years (does Talau fill that hole?)... and also who’s the 5/8 everybody keeps acknowledging that we need yet our only backup on the books hasn’t played there and is not a known quantity; Reynolds won’t be available will he??

Believe we’re still quite light on in the backs for this season but who’s available and willing to come for the *right* price to feasibly improve our top 8 chances in 2020.

I see Mbye as being able to fill in anywhere in the spine whilst playing at centre otherwise and reckon he would fill a long term vacancy in the six well if needed. Unlike when the at the dogs teaming up with Reynolds, he would be able to concentrate on his own game with Brooks controlling the side.

Like a few others, I think bringing in some speed is essential to WT breaking through to the next level and a game changer at the back to keep us there.

Alex Johnston 2014, 21 tries and leading try scorer, 2015, 17 tries and No.3, 2016, 11 tries in 18 games, 2017, 22 tries, No.4. Those stats are comparable to Radrada, Vunuvali, Addo Carr, Rapana, Holmes and Mitchell. Who wouldn't take any one of those? Johnston would be a massive signing at either wing or fullback.

You already said that in the AJ thread.

 

[Tiger5150]

i have watched Simpkin up here in Brisbane playing for Wynnum, trust me he is a gun, he will available after week 16 and hopefully he gets a crack then. Liddle should be fit by then so it will be good competition for the hooking role. I see Walters as the stand in hooker until then, i dont believe Josh is a hooker in any way shape or form

Neither is Walters. He’s never played there.

Ummm yes he has...0:20-1:20

https://youtu.be/e_xnO8xQkr4

 

[Madge]

i have watched Simpkin up here in Brisbane playing for Wynnum, trust me he is a gun, he will available after week 16 and hopefully he gets a crack then. Liddle should be fit by then so it will be good competition for the hooking role. I see Walters as the stand in hooker until then, i dont believe Josh is a hooker in any way shape or form

Neither is Walters. He’s never played there.


Ummm yes he has...0:20-1:20

https://youtu.be/e_xnO8xQkr4

He played there in his junior years as well.