Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[tigerbalm]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?


Yea it did ! The team was one of only 3 clubs to turn a profit last year !
But the club is in disarray right ?
Ugh! Every 3rd day you guys trudge this crap out . Now in 4 different threads .
I know you can’t see me , but I don’t care . You guys suck . There’s litterally a thread for this rubbish

If West's were a publicly listed company, turning a profit would be awesome. West's are a footy team that cant win games. Bet hey, at least they're in the black! they can spend that money on a huge signing...oh wait.

People like you are are the reason that mediocrity is accepted around this club and is now part of their DNA.

 

[Newtown]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?


But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground

Speak for yourself. I don't want 1 home ground if it means no games at Leichhardt.

As for the hooker role, I would definitely prefer to see an established hooker there but I imagine it's Maguire who makes the call of whether we can cover with what we have. The last thing I want is a CEO choosing the team for the coach.

By the way where is Maguire? He hasn't been seen or heard from for a long while.

 

[Telltails]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?


Yea it did ! The team was one of only 3 clubs to turn a profit last year !
But the club is in disarray right ?
Ugh! Every 3rd day you guys trudge this crap out . Now in 4 different threads .
I know you can’t see me , but I don’t care . You guys suck . There’s litterally a thread for this rubbish

If West's were a publicly listed company, turning a profit would be awesome. West's are a footy team that cant win games. Bet hey, at least they're in the black! they can spend that money on a huge signing...oh wait.

People like you are are the reason that mediocrity is accepted around this club and is now part of their DNA.

How do you propose the club signs players without money? Consider this is the position we were in
"The Wests Tigers have gone from posting a $4.6 million loss in 2016 to rounding out 2018 with a $100,000 profit - and the club did not even play in the NRL finals."
Now twelve months later we are in a position to offer the best players in the game $1mill contracts.
That's why the fans who offer nothing other than repeating "not accepting mediocrity" line are not making decisions while others closer to knowing what really is needed are working to get us into a winning position.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Oh no, not the dreaded 'M' word.

 

[tigerbalm]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?


Yea it did ! The team was one of only 3 clubs to turn a profit last year !
But the club is in disarray right ?
Ugh! Every 3rd day you guys trudge this crap out . Now in 4 different threads .
I know you can’t see me , but I don’t care . You guys suck . There’s litterally a thread for this rubbish

If West's were a publicly listed company, turning a profit would be awesome. West's are a footy team that cant win games. Bet hey, at least they're in the black! they can spend that money on a huge signing...oh wait.

People like you are are the reason that mediocrity is accepted around this club and is now part of their DNA.

How do you propose the club signs players without money? Consider this is the position we were in
"The Wests Tigers have gone from posting a $4.6 million loss in 2016 to rounding out 2018 with a $100,000 profit - and the club did not even play in the NRL finals."
Now twelve months later we are in a position to offer the best players in the game $1mill contracts.
That's why the fans who offer nothing other than repeating "not accepting mediocrity" line are not making decisions while others closer to knowing what really is needed are working to get us into a winning position.

Hey, i'm in the same boat as you. I support the same team. My issue is that for such a long time there has been reasons (valid or not) for lack of success. I hope that the club turning a profit means the future is bright but if your honest do you really believe that? If west's were only one a 3 clubs to make a profit, that means that there was possibly 6 teams in the top 8 that lost money...but played finals.

Again, i want the club to succeed but i think pinning all our hopes on some extra cash is not the magic bullet.

 

[Telltails]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?


Yea it did ! The team was one of only 3 clubs to turn a profit last year !
But the club is in disarray right ?
Ugh! Every 3rd day you guys trudge this crap out . Now in 4 different threads .
I know you can’t see me , but I don’t care . You guys suck . There’s litterally a thread for this rubbish

If West's were a publicly listed company, turning a profit would be awesome. West's are a footy team that cant win games. Bet hey, at least they're in the black! they can spend that money on a huge signing...oh wait.

People like you are are the reason that mediocrity is accepted around this club and is now part of their DNA.

How do you propose the club signs players without money? Consider this is the position we were in
"The Wests Tigers have gone from posting a $4.6 million loss in 2016 to rounding out 2018 with a $100,000 profit - and the club did not even play in the NRL finals."
Now twelve months later we are in a position to offer the best players in the game $1mill contracts.
That's why the fans who offer nothing other than repeating "not accepting mediocrity" line are not making decisions while others closer to knowing what really is needed are working to get us into a winning position.

Hey, i'm in the same boat as you. I support the same team. My issue is that for such a long time there has been reasons (valid or not) for lack of success. I hope that the club turning a profit means the future is bright but if your honest do you really believe that? If west's were only one a 3 clubs to make a profit, that means that there was possibly 6 teams in the top 8 that lost money...but played finals.

Again, i want the club to succeed but i think pinning all our hopes on some extra cash is not the magic bullet.

All good just trying to provide some balance. Identifying the issues are the easy part - we can all see them and we all have different views about why we are in this position - which we continue to debate on a daily basis.
Finding the solutions was never going to be a quick fix and there is no guarantee that those currently assigned to do that will be instantly successful - which has also been identified by many and at some point there will be accountability.
While the onfield drought of finals footy is driving us all nuts there has been significant improvements off field and the COE - or just a gym - will also be a welcome addition to demonstrating that we are moving forward to becoming a more professionally run outfit when it has been suggested previously that has not been the case.
We all want success none more so than the people who's jobs depend on it.

 

[old_man_tiger]

If you truly don't accept mediocrity then you have to walk away from things in life that are both outside your control and not up to your expectations.

Coming to a forum and discussing the "mediocre" entity is actually called whingeing.

All this tough talk every rough patch from the same people shows that they are very tolerant of failure, since few if any ever actually stop following the club. Why do we have to read the same tantrum over and over again?

 

[tigerbalm]

If you truly don't accept mediocrity then you have to walk away from things in life that are both outside your control and not up to your expectations.

Coming to a forum and discussing the "mediocre" entity is actually called whingeing.

All this tough talk every rough patch from the same people shows that they are very tolerant of failure, since few if any ever actually stop following the club. Why do we have to read the same tantrum over and over again?

lol. What a load of garbage.

Also, you don't have to read it. if you truly do not accept reading the same tantrum you can walk away. Complaining about reading it is actually called whinging.

Love that logic! it works anywhere!

 

[fibrodreaming]

Also, you don’t have to read it.

This conversation is in the Signing Suggestions and Rumours thread, which means I do have to read it (or at least part of it) if I want to stay up to date on possible signings.

I never open threads like the Lament thread because i'm not interested in that stuff. But these conversations are infecting almost every thread, which means they are difficult to avoid.

 

[tigerbalm]

Also, you don’t have to read it.

This conversation is in the Signing Suggestions and Rumours thread, which means I do have to read it (or at least part of it) if I want to stay up to date on possible signings.

I never open threads like the Lament thread because i'm not interested in that stuff. But these conversations are infecting almost every thread, which means they are difficult to avoid.

fair play. Ill stop.

 

[finnzo]

I can see all this panning out nicely Benji cut out ball to Luciano laluia he breaks through the line then offloads to Johnston no 1 can stop him from here it’s a try to the mighty west tigers hahaha 😂 not sure if I spelt Lucy’s name rite

 

[Tiger5150]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?


Yea it did ! The team was one of only 3 clubs to turn a profit last year !
But the club is in disarray right ?
Ugh! Every 3rd day you guys trudge this crap out . Now in 4 different threads .
I know you can’t see me , but I don’t care . You guys suck . There’s litterally a thread for this rubbish



***People like you*** are are the reason that mediocrity is accepted around this club and is now part of their DNA.

What the hell has happened to this forum. This place used to be a place we could all discuss our club that we ALL love without the personal attacks prevalent at other forums like LU.

These days there are constantly these kinds of personal attacks, like one persons opinion or love and passion for the club is right and outweighs anothers.

It seems relentless in all the threads these days. Really disappointing that this place has gone in this direction.

 

[Sart0ri]

Maybe some users could be limited to only posting in the lament thread :cop:

 

[happy_tiger]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?


But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground

Speak for yourself. I don't want 1 home ground if it means no games at Leichhardt.

As for the hooker role, I would definitely prefer to see an established hooker there but I imagine it's Maguire who makes the call of whether we can cover with what we have. The last thing I want is a CEO choosing the team for the coach.

If the majority agreed on Leichhardt ...then make it Leichhardt ...just choose one bloody home ground

But that won't happen because the only way we can break even is from using 5 different home grounds for 12 games

And that's the other problem , winning football games is taking a back seat to breaking even

When I get in a pissing contest about my side , I don't want my argument that the WT's are good because we are financially viable to be my sole (or soul ) argument

Last time I checked they don't pick the Top 8 based on your bank account

And it seems that it doesn't excite players we are trying to recruit either

 

[happy_tiger]

Maybe some users could be limited to only posting in the lament thread :cop:

Maybe the Lament thread should go hand in hand with the Signing and Suggestions thread

Most are lamenting the lack of signatures even when we do have the funds

 

[earl]

Also, you don’t have to read it.

This conversation is in the Signing Suggestions and Rumours thread, which means I do have to read it (or at least part of it) if I want to stay up to date on possible signings.

I never open threads like the Lament thread because i'm not interested in that stuff. But these conversations are infecting almost every thread, which means they are difficult to avoid.

I think an ideal approach is to have separate threads for the whinging.

 

[happy_tiger]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?

But the thing that gets me the most is you see posters on the Forum who obviously have a firm grasp of football and what is going on at the club constantly blame anyone and everyone bar the people they should be blaming .....the decision makers across the board at the club

Its almost like they think if they admit the club is at fault that they as supporters are at fault ..or they can't admit the club is at fault or that would be the beginning of the end as a supporter

There's certainly things the club can be doing better. However the club has been a total basket case virtually from inception so it's going to take more than a season or two to reverse that perception. We've started returning a profit which appears incredibly difficult for a Rugby League club to do (and is a pretty good achievement in a market where there are nine clubs in the Sydney Basin,) we have a premiership winning coach at the helm who appears to be identifying and future proofing talent (which will come in handy if the external perception remains in the meantime that we are a joke,) & whom has got an average, injury riddled roster to the cusp of finals, and we have had a hand in being able to secure a soon-to-be modern facility to base ourselves out of.

The coaching merry-go-round, board sniping, salary cap debacles and publicly prominent issues with players (contract issues, moving players on, lack of Gatorade,) have all seriously hurt us. You can't turn a business around overnight without the budget (and even then more often than not it is not a rapid process,) and the club does not have an endless budget to turn it around quickly.

I too am running out of patience (if I haven't already,) of the failure of on-field results to materialise after repeated reboots of coaching staff, CEO's and iterations of board structure, but due to damage of previous personnel a more pragmatic outlook is required. I believe we are moving forward but it is just taking time. I don't begrudge other fans for having no patience anymore, eight years without finals is absolutely unacceptable, but I don't totally adopt the train of thought that the club is always at fault purely because of previous gaffes.

If you want to keep moving the line in the sand that's fine CB

But as I said it appears that breaking even doesn't excite many of our recruitment hopefuls

So why should we as fans make it a priority in ours thoughts / hopes /dreams

And this is my exact point , if that's what we are supposed to build our dreams on a successful 2020 season on I will study my P&L and General Ledger statements for the next 9 months ..they make far better reading and at least financially I get something from it

Maybe the club should market a polo that has the EBITDA for the last 10 seasons listed on the back ...they way some crap on about its importance it would sell out in minutes

RUGBY LEAGUE club relying on RUGBY LEAGUE results

 

[trentrunciman]

rugby league in general is going downhill since the early 2000s. I was at an NBL game last year and the way they run their games and how they engage their fans was fantastic. Night and day.

 

[jirskyr]

If you truly don't accept mediocrity then you have to walk away from things in life that are both outside your control and not up to your expectations.

Coming to a forum and discussing the "mediocre" entity is actually called whingeing.

All this tough talk every rough patch from the same people shows that they are very tolerant of failure, since few if any ever actually stop following the club. Why do we have to read the same tantrum over and over again?

I totally agree.

I see a lot of these comments about "accepting mediocrity", coming to mean that if you defend/excuse some aspect of the club function, or fail to adequately criticise, or be overly optimistic, you are "accepting" bad results.

Nobody on here likes when the Tigers lose, be it a single game or failure to make the finals. People who don't care about the results generally don't post on footy forums and probably have a take/leave casual relationship with the NRL.

Nobody here accepts that it's fine to lose. It isn't.

But also, as a fan, what choice do you have? Only 1 team wins every year and only half make the finals. Souths fans aren't happy at getting knocked out of the finals every year, not really any less than Tigers fans being upset about not even being in the finals.

As soon as Tigers start making the finals regularly, expectations will change, and then folks will be unhappy about failing to convert finals opportunities. Ask yourself - are you more angry/upset about the 2012 season, or 2011?

There is literally nothing to be gained anymore by rehashing Cleary or Taylor or Farahgate, things in the past that you can't change, mostly associated with people who aren't at the club any more. You might as well start rehashing the 1989 Grand Final again.

In the past 66 years, since 1953, Magpies and Balmain combined have won TWO premierships (and a further 9-times runners up). There wouldn't be a lot of folks on here who remember the war years when Balmain and Magpies won 4 straight, and it's been slim pickings ever since. I've said it before - how a Wests Tigers fan can be truly upset about failing to make the finals and win comps, I don't know. It's never been a thing for either side of the JV.

Lastly - there's basically nothing you can do about the CEO or players or coach, which is another thing you need to accept. Fan opinion has very little impact on club personnel decisions, and 99.99% of people have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. So you can rail against Pascoe or the "faceless board" all you like, but it serves no purpose other than shouting into the wind.

 

[jirskyr]

was at an NBL game last year

I'll stop you there. How are the Singapore Slingers doing?