Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[fibrodreaming]

“There has been a perception that the Wests Tigers have not been successful because there has not been that belief in ourselves,” Hagipantelis says.

Is that the perception ? If we have not had belief in ourselves it is for a good reason. We just are not good enough.

 

[hsvjones]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Well I'm clearly in the minority on this one, but I actually think Tamou would be a good signing for us.

 

[mike]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Tamou is 31, he will be 32 next year. There is a reason he is being let go. Youth and speed, youth and speed.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

No doubt we need experience - look at what Asotasi did for the myxos to provide leadership, experience and consistency.
Just need to pick the right one.............. which we don't have a great track record of doing.

Agree with this mikey, any suggestions on who that player might be? I personally think JWH would be the ideal one, but he is clearly not leaving the Roosters.

 

[Aubanon]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Tamou is 31, he will be 32 next year. There is a reason he is being let go. Youth and speed, youth and speed.

Question for you Mike - does Tamou make our 4 Prob rotation? (Or 5 with a tight forward playing 13)

 

[the_third]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Spot on.

We won't get the production from him that he had this year in the Panthers pack

(https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/penrith-panthers/james-tamou/)

But if we can get 100M a game from him and Aloai, lift an injury free Miakele, get an injury free Musgrave and develop Stefano we will be in a better position (quite a few if's in there)

Aloai needs some help and he looks like the most achievable solution

 

[hsvjones]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Tamou is 31, he will be 32 next year. There is a reason he is being let go. Youth and speed, youth and speed.

I understand that and would love a more damaging younger player but who else could we get for the money we don't have? It is a stop gap for 2 years until we A - get more attractive to players in the market, B - start winning games.
The club is **not** going to pay 500-600k for him and if we have seen anything this year it is that our players are young and lose focus / consistency very easily. I'm not a big fan of his but he is a experienced play that knows how to win and can pass this onto our players.
If Madge believes he will be a good fit then its a yes for me..
People need to remove the past recruitment decisions out of there heads because Madge is not a coach to overpay for a player like Ivan did with Reynolds / Packer / Mbye. Madge has missed some players already as he refuses to overpay for players.

 

[the_third]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Tamou is 31, he will be 32 next year. There is a reason he is being let go. Youth and speed, youth and speed.

We have youth in the forwards its a case of balance - I wouldn't rely on paper to be getting the best out of anyone.

Speed in the backs is not there yet

Only props.... (and a pretender)
Musgrave 22
Aloai 24
Stefano 20
Twal 24
Miakele 22
Packer 30

 

[mike]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Tamou is 31, he will be 32 next year. There is a reason he is being let go. Youth and speed, youth and speed.

Question for you Mike - does Tamou make our 4 Prob rotation? (Or 5 with a tight forward playing 13)

He doesn’t make the 17 as we should never sign him.

 

[hsvjones]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Spot on.

We won't get the production from him that he had this year in the Panthers pack

(https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/penrith-panthers/james-tamou/)

But if we can get 100M a game from him and Aloai, lift an injury free Miakele, get an injury free Musgrave and develop Stefano we will be in a better position (quite a few if's in there)

Aloai needs some help and he looks like the most achievable solution

Agree.. Its a easy decision for me on this one considering the position we are in.. there will be some egg on faces in a year or 2 once Madge gets rid of the rubbish and we have a competitive team on a weekly bases. (Mainly you guns also)

 

[hsvjones]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Tamou is 31, he will be 32 next year. There is a reason he is being let go. Youth and speed, youth and speed.

We have youth in the forwards its a case of balance - I wouldn't rely on paper to be getting the best out of anyone.

Speed in the backs is not there yet

Only props.... (and a pretender)
Musgrave 22
Aloai 24
Stefano 20
Twal 24
Miakele 22
Packer 30

Agree and you can remove Packer off that list as he is useless. So our oldest one is 24 years old..... All Top teams have older experienced players in the team and we are trying to add a good one with limited funds and people are complaining.. :man-shrugging:

 

[mike]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Spot on.

We won't get the production from him that he had this year in the Panthers pack

(https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/penrith-panthers/james-tamou/)

But if we can get 100M a game from him and Aloai, lift an injury free Miakele, get an injury free Musgrave and develop Stefano we will be in a better position (quite a few if's in there)

Aloai needs some help and he looks like the most achievable solution

Agree.. Its a easy decision for me on this one considering the position we are in.. there will be some egg on faces in a year or 2 once Madge gets rid of the rubbish and we have a competitive team on a weekly bases. (Mainly you guns also)

Signing this type of player hasn’t work for us for the last 9, going on 10 years. When are we going to break this taking ageing cast offs cycle?

 

[Guest]

Proctor, no? Seems he fills a spot we need badly.

Proctor is rubbish and not being looked at by the club thankfully.

 

[TonyTiger]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Tamou is 31, he will be 32 next year. There is a reason he is being let go. Youth and speed, youth and speed.

I agree, Tamou is not an impact prop, he lopes Into the the defence. To his credit he does stand and look to offload but I’d prefer someone who can charge into the opposition and get us on a roll.
Ivan built Dad’s Army here, let’s not hang around while he puts out the garbage at the Panthers.
Tamou is looking to top up his pension in his twilight years, Look at Manly’s front towers last night, they were charging into us and forcing us backwards with multi metre gains. It was only when they went to the bench together that were were able to get some go forward.
Don’t listen to Mark Geyer’s recommendations - he’s an idiot.

 

[weststigerman]

I’d agree with the naysayers on Tamou if it was a long contract, but for 2 years he’d be perfect IMO.

As we saw last night our biggest issue is defence, particularly in the middle. Tamou is starting prop for the top team and has missed just 6 tackles all year. Aloiai needs help and there is no one else with his quality that we can fit in the salary cap.

 

[the_third]

Are people forgetting that we lack funds and cannot go out and by another game changing forward until we lose Reynolds & Packer... I think its smart if we were to pick up Tamou on say a 2 year deal as he would full in 1 of our front row places and not cost an arm or leg..
Its called a salary cap and I would rather spend a few hundred thousand on Tamou then go without until our salary cap is fixed. We have a heap of Young players that need leadership and he fits that bill.
Remember he is not going to be a superstar and make 200+ m a game so take that out of your minds. (he will do better than Packer)

Spot on.

We won't get the production from him that he had this year in the Panthers pack

(https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/penrith-panthers/james-tamou/)

But if we can get 100M a game from him and Aloai, lift an injury free Miakele, get an injury free Musgrave and develop Stefano we will be in a better position (quite a few if's in there)

Aloai needs some help and he looks like the most achievable solution

Agree.. Its a easy decision for me on this one considering the position we are in.. there will be some egg on faces in a year or 2 once Madge gets rid of the rubbish and we have a competitive team on a weekly bases. (Mainly you guns also)

Signing this type of player hasn’t work for us for the last 9, going on 10 years. When are we going to break this taking ageing cast offs cycle?

When we can get rid of Packer, Reynolds and Mbye and there is a player available. Or, to make it really simple - when we have salary cap and someone is available.

At least Tamou wouldn't be on ridiculous money, so at least that's a step in the right direction.

 

[Needaname]

It appears we have the funds.
None of our supposed over paid players are moving on.
In effect we are signing ‘if’ Tamou to replace Eiso or Taylor, whom of which most people would expect not to be retained.
We have a confirmed extra roster spot now that Benji is no longer being retained.
For mine it all makes sense.
People are saying go out and buy another good young prop. It’s like we have forgotten that we signed Stefano? We all witnessed his efforts for Parra this year. And I believe Stefano will be great but to expect Him and Aloiai to start is like going down the Broncos path with Haas or alternative Options of Packer, Musgrove or Mikalee paired with Aloiai gives the opposition similar shapes to defend against.
Signing Tamou would be our transition to a more ready Stefano.
In addition, Packer, with some additional leadership may do well off the bench as a impact prop.

JAC would be awesome. I can very much see Madge giving him every chance of Fullback and moving Mbye to left edge 5/8 to start the year and having Brooks move over to the right side which despite having to learn defending on the right, Brooks in the last few games has been spending a lot more time there.
Signing these two. Gives us depth and options.
Good move if we can balance it within the cap.

 

[mike]

We keep doing the same thing, signing ageing cast offs, year, after year, after year, after year and we expect different results.
This is insanity I say.

 

[the_third]

It appears we have the funds.
None of our supposed over paid players are moving on.
In effect we are signing ‘if’ Tamou to replace Eiso or Taylor, whom of which most people would expect not to be retained.
We have a confirmed extra roster spot now that Benji is no longer being retained.
For mine it all makes sense.
People are saying go out and buy another good young prop. It’s like we have forgotten that we signed Stefano? We all witnessed his efforts for Parra this year. And I believe Stefano will be great but to expect Him and Aloiai to start is like going down the Broncos path with Haas or alternative Options of Packer, Musgrove or Mikalee paired with Aloiai gives the opposition similar shapes to defend against.
Signing Tamou would be our transition to a more ready Stefano.
In addition, Packer, with some additional leadership may do well off the bench as a impact prop.

JAC would be awesome. I can very much see Madge giving him every chance of Fullback and moving Mbye to left edge 5/8 to start the year and having Brooks move over to the right side which despite having to learn defending on the right, Brooks in the last few games has been spending a lot more time there.
Signing these two. Gives us depth and options.
Good move if we can balance it within the cap.

Pascoe said just over a million, 3-5 players to sign for next year.

Tamou, the fox have offers - I'd guess at they would take up a mill (or just over) between them next year.

So a close to min wage players are probably filling in the last 1-3 spots.

When Reynolds, Mbye and Packer go we have significantly more $$$ to sign a couple of guns