Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TigerWest]

I can't believe some on here are happy to not make at least a play for Harry Grant if he comes on the market some are content with Liddle and Simpkin, i guess some are happy to finish 9th too
change it up
if we could get Harry and keep Simpkin and land JAC or Suali awesome, if it means losing Liddle then so be it

Liddle has more talent than Harry Grant... Lids has just been injured that's all... big difference in how he provides service... very noticeable... Harry is a good player but I wouldn't say he is better than Liddle... both has strengths and I would back Liddle instead of Harry

Maybe but Harry has ticker, he's a winner, has football sense and leadership. He's priority No 1 for me, even before JAC

We had Harry this year without speed in the backline and where did it get us? Harry is great don’t misunderstand but what Wests Tigers lack is speed. Outside backs with speed is an absolute no. 1 priority if we want to play finals footy.

We were better once Kepoa got on that wing . He just needs to work on his hands . But you could see the uplift in attack just having a guy who can turn half chances into full chances just by running faster than the previous bloke.
I honestly think Fullback and backrower are our most cause for concern . We have Blore and luci atm , and no one else . Garner has a foot out the door , Chee kam is a 15 at best , and McIntyre isn’t signed yet.
I’m not that worried about 9 . Liddle is more than capable . I really don’t think it’s wise to throw 800k at grant , despite how good he played this year . It’s bad cap management. If you look at it as wins and losses , how many wins and losses does grant offer over Liddle to warrant paying him 3 times the money ?

We have to be smarter . Damien Cook is the incumbent in the Aus team and he’s hardly the scheming genius , Cam, Robbie , and those types were. You can win just as many games with that type .
You can also win a lot with physical types like Friend , Radley , the other Smith , Isaac Luke etc.
We lost heaps of games because of instability and fragility on the edges , and lazy, tired uncommitted forwards in the middle .
It always seemed to start where benji, Joey , Garner were , and move inside . Then it was a concertina effect through the defensive line .

Good post

 

[BAGNF05]

I can't believe some on here are happy to not make at least a play for Harry Grant if he comes on the market some are content with Liddle and Simpkin, i guess some are happy to finish 9th too
change it up
if we could get Harry and keep Simpkin and land JAC or Suali awesome, if it means losing Liddle then so be it

Liddle has more talent than Harry Grant... Lids has just been injured that's all... big difference in how he provides service... very noticeable... Harry is a good player but I wouldn't say he is better than Liddle... both has strengths and I would back Liddle instead of Harry

Maybe but Harry has ticker, he's a winner, has football sense and leadership. He's priority No 1 for me, even before JAC

We had Harry this year without speed in the backline and where did it get us? Harry is great don’t misunderstand but what Wests Tigers lack is speed. Outside backs with speed is an absolute no. 1 priority if we want to play finals footy.

We were better once Kepoa got on that wing . He just needs to work on his hands . But you could see the uplift in attack just having a guy who can turn half chances into full chances just by running faster than the previous bloke.
I honestly think Fullback and backrower are our most cause for concern . We have Blore and luci atm , and no one else . Garner has a foot out the door , Chee kam is a 15 at best , and McIntyre isn’t signed yet.
I’m not that worried about 9 . Liddle is more than capable . I really don’t think it’s wise to throw 800k at grant , despite how good he played this year . It’s bad cap management. If you look at it as wins and losses , how many wins and losses does grant offer over Liddle to warrant paying him 3 times the money ?

We have to be smarter . Damien Cook is the incumbent in the Aus team and he’s hardly the scheming genius , Cam, Robbie , and those types were. You can win just as many games with that type .
You can also win a lot with physical types like Friend , Radley , the other Smith , Isaac Luke etc.
We lost heaps of games because of instability and fragility on the edges , and lazy, tired uncommitted forwards in the middle .
It always seemed to start where benji, Joey , Garner were , and move inside . Then it was a concertina effect through the defensive line .

You make some good points, we really do need a speed merchant and a really dominant back rower/forward, I would like someone like Bateman to put a bit of fear into the opposition.

Definitely nailed it on your points about our right edge too.

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

 

[hodgo]

There's lots of valid points here for sure but 2 things people need to take into account imo are
If Harry is available you have a crack but we it really isn't a position of need. Secondly, statistically nofo doesn't deserve an extension. Controversial I know but his defensive stats counter his offence. He was poor defensively but brilliant offensively. Levels out imo

 

[TigerWest]

There's lots of valid points here for sure but 2 things people need to take into account imo are
If Harry is available you have a crack but we it really isn't a position of need. Secondly, statistically nofo doesn't deserve an extension. Controversial I know but his defensive stats counter his offence. He was poor defensively but brilliant offensively. Levels out imo

Probably agree, but he has been very loyal to the club and would be good enough to play with any NRL team.
We talk about culture, this would be the club showing a bit imo.

 

[Russell]

I can't believe some on here are happy to not make at least a play for Harry Grant if he comes on the market some are content with Liddle and Simpkin, i guess some are happy to finish 9th too
change it up
if we could get Harry and keep Simpkin and land JAC or Suali awesome, if it means losing Liddle then so be it

Liddle has more talent than Harry Grant... Lids has just been injured that's all... big difference in how he provides service... very noticeable... Harry is a good player but I wouldn't say he is better than Liddle... both has strengths and I would back Liddle instead of Harry

Agree Mate - I think he has more talent than Grant as well.

Grant is a better defender, Liddle a better DH and neither have a kicking game at this stage.

If we got Grant, I would be keeping Liddle and getting rid of Simpkin if one of them had to go.

Liddle is average

Don’t think he is better than Grant but he is much better than average imo. Good passing from the ground; quick out of dummy half. Not sure about his kicking game

Basing it off footy what’s Liddle done not much

I know Liddle hasn't played 53 games for Australia nor 35 SOO for the Bananabenders like Harry Grant.

However I can offer that Liddle has played 43 NRL games to Grants 17 NRL games.

I can also add Liddle has a 94.7% tackle efficiency to Grants 91.8%.

And did nothing apart from being injured.

I see some have a emotional attachment to him but basing on facts his done nothing with his time as yet

Whatever Tony - hope you enjoy your years as a Harry Fan Boy.

 

[tony soprano]

I can't believe some on here are happy to not make at least a play for Harry Grant if he comes on the market some are content with Liddle and Simpkin, i guess some are happy to finish 9th too
change it up
if we could get Harry and keep Simpkin and land JAC or Suali awesome, if it means losing Liddle then so be it

Liddle has more talent than Harry Grant... Lids has just been injured that's all... big difference in how he provides service... very noticeable... Harry is a good player but I wouldn't say he is better than Liddle... both has strengths and I would back Liddle instead of Harry

Agree Mate - I think he has more talent than Grant as well.

Grant is a better defender, Liddle a better DH and neither have a kicking game at this stage.

If we got Grant, I would be keeping Liddle and getting rid of Simpkin if one of them had to go.

Liddle is average

Don’t think he is better than Grant but he is much better than average imo. Good passing from the ground; quick out of dummy half. Not sure about his kicking game

Basing it off footy what’s Liddle done not much

I know Liddle hasn't played 53 games for Australia nor 35 SOO for the Bananabenders like Harry Grant.

However I can offer that Liddle has played 43 NRL games to Grants 17 NRL games.

I can also add Liddle has a 94.7% tackle efficiency to Grants 91.8%.

And did nothing apart from being injured.

I see some have a emotional attachment to him but basing on facts his done nothing with his time as yet

Whatever Tony - hope you enjoy your years as a Harry Fan Boy.

Simpkin fan boy

 

[jirskyr]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

 

[Russell]

I can't believe some on here are happy to not make at least a play for Harry Grant if he comes on the market some are content with Liddle and Simpkin, i guess some are happy to finish 9th too
change it up
if we could get Harry and keep Simpkin and land JAC or Suali awesome, if it means losing Liddle then so be it

Liddle has more talent than Harry Grant... Lids has just been injured that's all... big difference in how he provides service... very noticeable... Harry is a good player but I wouldn't say he is better than Liddle... both has strengths and I would back Liddle instead of Harry

Agree Mate - I think he has more talent than Grant as well.

Grant is a better defender, Liddle a better DH and neither have a kicking game at this stage.

If we got Grant, I would be keeping Liddle and getting rid of Simpkin if one of them had to go.

Liddle is average

Don’t think he is better than Grant but he is much better than average imo. Good passing from the ground; quick out of dummy half. Not sure about his kicking game

Basing it off footy what’s Liddle done not much

I know Liddle hasn't played 53 games for Australia nor 35 SOO for the Bananabenders like Harry Grant.

However I can offer that Liddle has played 43 NRL games to Grants 17 NRL games.

I can also add Liddle has a 94.7% tackle efficiency to Grants 91.8%.

And did nothing apart from being injured.

I see some have a emotional attachment to him but basing on facts his done nothing with his time as yet

Whatever Tony - hope you enjoy your years as a Harry Fan Boy.

Simpkin fan boy

Good for you.

 

[JC99]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Think you’re underestimating how smart he is with the footy in his hands. Constantly drawing markers and giving our forwards more room and always picks the right passes. He’s the guy you want picking the ball up when there’s a half chance because most of the time he creates something for you.

Liddle either passes off the deck or runs, he doesn’t have that evasiveness in his game that draws markers and opens up room for his team mates. It’s a skill that can be learned but Harry already has it, learned off the best in the game.

Good example is the comeback vs manly. Doueihi made thag good run and Harry got the ball and instantly fired it out wide knowing there was an overlap. Garner almost ruined it but Harry picked it back up and fired it wide again creating the try. He’s a very very smart footballer and although he might not be a once in a generation player, he’s going to be a top 3 hooker for the next 10 years Barring injury

I still think Liddle is a great little player and I’m keen to see him play more for and continue to develop. He’s very fast and plays eyes up footy, I hope our forwards give him room to run because he could become a Damien cook like player, I remember his game vs roosters where he scored he was excellent

 

[Telltails]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Think you’re underestimating how smart he is with the footy in his hands. Constantly drawing markers and giving our forwards more room and always picks the right passes. He’s the guy you want picking the ball up when there’s a half chance because most of the time he creates something for you.

Liddle either passes off the deck or runs, he doesn’t have that evasiveness in his game that draws markers and opens up room for his team mates. It’s a skill that can be learned but Harry already has it, learned off the best in the game.

Good example is the comeback vs manly. Doueihi made thag good run and Harry got the ball and instantly fired it out wide knowing there was an overlap. Garner almost ruined it but Harry picked it back up and fired it wide again creating the try. He’s a very very smart footballer and although he might not be a once in a generation player, he’s going to be a top 3 hooker for the next 10 years Barring injury

Yes - he has got footy smarts that you dont see often in players so young.

 

[JC99]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Think you’re underestimating how smart he is with the footy in his hands. Constantly drawing markers and giving our forwards more room and always picks the right passes. He’s the guy you want picking the ball up when there’s a half chance because most of the time he creates something for you.

Liddle either passes off the deck or runs, he doesn’t have that evasiveness in his game that draws markers and opens up room for his team mates. It’s a skill that can be learned but Harry already has it, learned off the best in the game.

Good example is the comeback vs manly. Doueihi made thag good run and Harry got the ball and instantly fired it out wide knowing there was an overlap. Garner almost ruined it but Harry picked it back up and fired it wide again creating the try. He’s a very very smart footballer and although he might not be a once in a generation player, he’s going to be a top 3 hooker for the next 10 years Barring injury

Yes - he has got footy smarts that you dont see often in players so young.

He learned of the best hooker in the world for the last few years. Cam doesn’t have the physical attributes anymore but he’s the smartest footy player in the league. Harry has the smarts and the physicality, it’s a great mix

 

[BAGNF05]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Some players come along and they are just instant stars. I knew Teddy would play for Australia after 4-5 games.

Look at the team who have Harry under contract, they have a pretty good eye for generational talent.

Injuries can derail careers in rugby league but as a gambling man who has seen a lot of footy I would bet a lot on this kid.

 

[twentyforty]

I would be throwing everything at Chrichton, (fb) Flanagan, (Brooks can play 6) and Tupouniua.

 

[Russell]

I would be throwing everything at Chrichton, (fb) Flanagan, (Brooks can play 6) and Tupouniua.

You would have no chance of getting Crichton or Tupouniua.

That leaves Flannagan (who is not an organising half (that means we would have another one).
He also comes with a lot of heavy baggage with his ol' man (wouldn't even want him at the ground
watching the game myself) - he's a nasty piece of work. Wouldn't want him anywhere near our
youngsters.

 

[mike]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Think you’re underestimating how smart he is with the footy in his hands. Constantly drawing markers and giving our forwards more room and always picks the right passes. He’s the guy you want picking the ball up when there’s a half chance because most of the time he creates something for you.

Liddle either passes off the deck or runs, he doesn’t have that evasiveness in his game that draws markers and opens up room for his team mates. It’s a skill that can be learned but Harry already has it, learned off the best in the game.

Good example is the comeback vs manly. Doueihi made thag good run and Harry got the ball and instantly fired it out wide knowing there was an overlap. Garner almost ruined it but Harry picked it back up and fired it wide again creating the try. He’s a very very smart footballer and although he might not be a once in a generation player, he’s going to be a top 3 hooker for the next 10 years Barring injury

I still think Liddle is a great little player and I’m keen to see him play more for and continue to develop. He’s very fast and plays eyes up footy, I hope our forwards give him room to run because he could become a Damien cook like player, I remember his game vs roosters where he scored he was excellent

Don’t agree entirely with what you are saying. The Wests Tigers looked the sharpest when both Harry and Liddle were on the field. Harry was at lock, I think, and Liddle was dummy half. Attack was crisp and penetrating. Liddle was definitely faster out of dummy half than Grant. I’d love to have both again.

 

[mikey]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

I agree with your thoughts. If Grant had had a dominant pack I don't think we would've seen the 'drop' in form. A generational player call is way to early but am happy to be wrong if he's playing with us.
Liddle is also going to be very good if we can get him on the paddock consistently - greedy I know but I want both.
Different styles of play but both excellent players.

 

[happy_tiger]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Think you’re underestimating how smart he is with the footy in his hands. Constantly drawing markers and giving our forwards more room and always picks the right passes. He’s the guy you want picking the ball up when there’s a half chance because most of the time he creates something for you.

Liddle either passes off the deck or runs, he doesn’t have that evasiveness in his game that draws markers and opens up room for his team mates. It’s a skill that can be learned but Harry already has it, learned off the best in the game.

Good example is the comeback vs manly. Doueihi made thag good run and Harry got the ball and instantly fired it out wide knowing there was an overlap. Garner almost ruined it but Harry picked it back up and fired it wide again creating the try. He’s a very very smart footballer and although he might not be a once in a generation player, he’s going to be a top 3 hooker for the next 10 years Barring injury

I still think Liddle is a great little player and I’m keen to see him play more for and continue to develop. He’s very fast and plays eyes up footy, I hope our forwards give him room to run because he could become a Damien cook like player, I remember his game vs roosters where he scored he was excellent

Don’t agree entirely with what you are saying. The Wests Tigers looked the sharpest when both Harry and Liddle were on the field. Harry was at lock, I think, and Liddle was dummy half. Attack was crisp and penetrating. Liddle was definitely faster out of dummy half than Grant. I’d love to have both again.

The WT's only looked dangerous when we played low percentage football that we couldn't defend if it didn't come off


We HAVE to learn to defend our way to victory .....the razzle dazzle simply won't work long term

 

[mike]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Think you’re underestimating how smart he is with the footy in his hands. Constantly drawing markers and giving our forwards more room and always picks the right passes. He’s the guy you want picking the ball up when there’s a half chance because most of the time he creates something for you.

Liddle either passes off the deck or runs, he doesn’t have that evasiveness in his game that draws markers and opens up room for his team mates. It’s a skill that can be learned but Harry already has it, learned off the best in the game.

Good example is the comeback vs manly. Doueihi made thag good run and Harry got the ball and instantly fired it out wide knowing there was an overlap. Garner almost ruined it but Harry picked it back up and fired it wide again creating the try. He’s a very very smart footballer and although he might not be a once in a generation player, he’s going to be a top 3 hooker for the next 10 years Barring injury

I still think Liddle is a great little player and I’m keen to see him play more for and continue to develop. He’s very fast and plays eyes up footy, I hope our forwards give him room to run because he could become a Damien cook like player, I remember his game vs roosters where he scored he was excellent

Don’t agree entirely with what you are saying. The Wests Tigers looked the sharpest when both Harry and Liddle were on the field. Harry was at lock, I think, and Liddle was dummy half. Attack was crisp and penetrating. Liddle was definitely faster out of dummy half than Grant. I’d love to have both again.

The WT's only looked dangerous when we played low percentage football that we couldn't defend if it didn't come off


We HAVE to learn to defend our way to victory .....the razzle dazzle simply won't work long term

Not sure what that has todo with Liddle and Grant but OK. Both are good defenders.

 

[happy_tiger]

However, Harry Grant appears to be a generational type talent playing in a key position, any club worth their salt should be chasing him. When he got hurt, our season unravelled.

I honestly don't agree with that and I think folks have gone off too early with Harry.

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

Maybe it was just the COVID season or his first full season in NRL that starts to take a toll. But specifically I am talking about his service and his decision-making. I think both of those aspects started to falter a little and he was guilty of holding the ball too often when he should have just been letting it sing. The best hookers get rid of the football as quickly as possible, but REALLY go when it's time to go. They don't stop and think about it, which is killer being that close to the defensive line.

There was a very noticeable up-swing in momentum when Liddle returned to the side and his all-around speed made an impact - both run speed and distribution speed. He just got the ball moving. The back end of our season was hallmarked by late-game rushes of points and I believe this was partially influenced by the increase of tempo from Liddle.

What I won't criticise Harry about is his toiling ability, to just toil away tackling and chasing the football. That is high quality and I think his major contribution. People notice Harry because he's always around the football. He's clearly a smart footballer.

I think he's very similar to Brandon Smith, who I don't believe is really a hooker. Harry is more hooker-style than Smith on account of his size, but he has that same toiling smart football about him. But I do have question marks on him touching the football every set for 24 rounds. You could certainly do worse than have Harry going around, but there's a very particular skillset a la Koroisau or Cook that Grant doesn't have, that decisive speed in attack. Liddle is more that kind of footballer, even if he lacks the physical stature and tenacity of Grant at this stage.

Also yet to see much of a kicking game from Harry.

I'd definitely re-sign the guy but I just think we need to temper our reactions to his first 10 weeks, which were great, to his last 10 weeks - injury notwithstanding - with the mindset of trying to predict a career-long outcome. Debutants can often start their careers really well in the first half-season, but that doesn't necessarily equate to what you are going to see career-long.

I definitely think it's too early to call him a generational talent.

Think you’re underestimating how smart he is with the footy in his hands. Constantly drawing markers and giving our forwards more room and always picks the right passes. He’s the guy you want picking the ball up when there’s a half chance because most of the time he creates something for you.

Liddle either passes off the deck or runs, he doesn’t have that evasiveness in his game that draws markers and opens up room for his team mates. It’s a skill that can be learned but Harry already has it, learned off the best in the game.

Good example is the comeback vs manly. Doueihi made thag good run and Harry got the ball and instantly fired it out wide knowing there was an overlap. Garner almost ruined it but Harry picked it back up and fired it wide again creating the try. He’s a very very smart footballer and although he might not be a once in a generation player, he’s going to be a top 3 hooker for the next 10 years Barring injury

I still think Liddle is a great little player and I’m keen to see him play more for and continue to develop. He’s very fast and plays eyes up footy, I hope our forwards give him room to run because he could become a Damien cook like player, I remember his game vs roosters where he scored he was excellent

Don’t agree entirely with what you are saying. The Wests Tigers looked the sharpest when both Harry and Liddle were on the field. Harry was at lock, I think, and Liddle was dummy half. Attack was crisp and penetrating. Liddle was definitely faster out of dummy half than Grant. I’d love to have both again.

The WT's only looked dangerous when we played low percentage football that we couldn't defend if it didn't come off


We HAVE to learn to defend our way to victory .....the razzle dazzle simply won't work long term

Not sure what that has todo with Liddle and Grant but OK. Both are good defenders.

When both have been on the field has only been at do or die stages of games Mike

 

[Strider]

My issue with Harry is the longer the season went, the less dependable his form became. Not that it was ever bad, because I think he's unlikely to play bad football, but specifically his hooking qualities stumbled a little as the season wore on.

I hear you but as the season went on our forwards became more and more useless, I think that's the reason Grant found it harder.