Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Speed2burn]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Wingers don’t win you footy games mate. As good as he is, I don’t think wing is a position we are highly prioritising atm. We are stacked

And well...apparently we wanted him to play fullback which in my opinion could have been disastrous and he would have ended up on the wing anyway

 

[bigsiro]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Wingers don’t win you footy games mate. As good as he is, I don’t think wing is a position we are highly prioritising atm. We are stacked

And well...apparently we wanted him to play fullback which in my opinion could have been disastrous and he would have ended up on the wing anyway

Umm ... this isn't 70's rugby league anymore.
Nowadays 100% wingers DO win you footy games.
Especially players like JAC.

And we are far from stacked on the wing. We have Nofo, but the others are not experienced enough or fast enough to have the requisite impact a winger needs to provide in today's game.

 

[Speed2burn]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Wingers don’t win you footy games mate. As good as he is, I don’t think wing is a position we are highly prioritising atm. We are stacked

And well...apparently we wanted him to play fullback which in my opinion could have been disastrous and he would have ended up on the wing anyway

Umm ... this isn't 70's rugby league anymore.
Nowadays 100% wingers DO win you footy games.
Especially players like JAC.

That may be true but finding a quality #1 and #9 is a much higher priority for us.

I definitely feel more comfortable our wingers (and depth wingers) can do a job heading into this season than our #1

 

[weststigerman]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

We tried to sign JAC and Burton and missed out lol. They quite simply beat us in that regard. We’ve still done well this off season but would’ve been nice to sign some top quality players

Plenty of good fish in the sea mate!
Slow and steady wins the race.

When can we sign an origin level fish ? been forever. We’ve got a better chance of developing talent with our young guys I reckon

Outside of the Roosters, the best clubs don't make "big fish" signings, they develop players rather than paying overs for players at their peak. Look at the 2 grand finalists last year.

To not sign one big name player in a decade is awful. Plenty of clubs make big signings whether they’re origin level or not, we haven’t. Not saying our recruitment this season has been bad but we haven’t had a real marquee signing in forever

Packer was a starting NZ international when we signed him. Adam Blair was the "best forward in the world" when we signed him.

They didn't work out, and caused numerous problems because they were carrying so much of the salary cap. I'm glad we've moved away from this model.

Sheens used Blair horribly. Packer was playing decent when we signed him, but he was no where near worth the amount we paid for him. It’s not like there was multiple clubs offering him huge money like we did.

He’s not the kind of signing I’m talking about - I mean a $600k+ players who’s actually worth that money. Us paying average players $600k+ doesn’t mean they’re ‘top players’ it means we stuffed up

Fair enough, back to bulldogs then, there are no guarantees any of their big signings will provide value for what they're being paid. Closest player they have to a sure thing is JAC, and if he does an ACL this year, there will be huge question marks on him, without his speed, he's nothing IMO.

The storm are the masters of extracting top value out of their players. We should be aiming to follow their lead.

 

[weststigerman]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Tedesco and JAC shouldn't be compared. Fullback has a much bigger impact on a team than a winger.

 

[bigsiro]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Wingers don’t win you footy games mate. As good as he is, I don’t think wing is a position we are highly prioritising atm. We are stacked

And well...apparently we wanted him to play fullback which in my opinion could have been disastrous and he would have ended up on the wing anyway

Umm ... this isn't 70's rugby league anymore.
Nowadays 100% wingers DO win you footy games.
Especially players like JAC.



That may be true but finding a quality #1 and #9 is a much higher priority for us.

I definitely feel more comfortable our wingers (and depth wingers) can do a job heading into this season than our #1

Agree with that. We desperately need a hooker and a fullback. McInnes ?!?!

 

[BalmainJnr]

Just skimmed through a few pages.. are we looking to sign half a dozen players that have only just inked contracts with the Bulldogs?

 

[twentyforty]

Everyone knows how much JAC would mean to a team. Without question he’s the pick of wingers today. And every Tigers fan wanted the club to show some improvement in it’s managing of the cap. Would JAC have come back if we offered $650k plus? Who knows? But I feel our reputation is improving because we didn’t. I have a lot more confidence with Hartigan, Madge and others knowing that any offers made are very carefully considered. So I’m not too worried about JAC not accepting our offer.

 

[sleeve]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Wingers don’t win you footy games mate. As good as he is, I don’t think wing is a position we are highly prioritising atm. We are stacked

And well...apparently we wanted him to play fullback which in my opinion could have been disastrous and he would have ended up on the wing anyway

Umm ... this isn't 70's rugby league anymore.
Nowadays 100% wingers DO win you footy games.
Especially players like JAC.

And we are far from stacked on the wing. We have Nofo, but the others are not experienced enough or fast enough to have the requisite impact a winger needs to provide in today's game.

Yes they are far more important today ,but not that important if you don't have a good backline first. Also JAC relies on speed,he wii be 26 when he plays for the dogs and 30 in his last year.How fast will he be when he is 30?

 

[Snake]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Wingers don’t win you footy games mate. As good as he is, I don’t think wing is a position we are highly prioritising atm. We are stacked

And well...apparently we wanted him to play fullback which in my opinion could have been disastrous and he would have ended up on the wing anyway

Umm ... this isn't 70's rugby league anymore.
Nowadays 100% wingers DO win you footy games.
Especially players like JAC.

And we are far from stacked on the wing. We have Nofo, but the others are not experienced enough or fast enough to have the requisite impact a winger needs to provide in today's game.

Actually kickers win you footy games .. have we signed one yet?

 

[bigsiro]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Wingers don’t win you footy games mate. As good as he is, I don’t think wing is a position we are highly prioritising atm. We are stacked

And well...apparently we wanted him to play fullback which in my opinion could have been disastrous and he would have ended up on the wing anyway

Umm ... this isn't 70's rugby league anymore.
Nowadays 100% wingers DO win you footy games.
Especially players like JAC.

And we are far from stacked on the wing. We have Nofo, but the others are not experienced enough or fast enough to have the requisite impact a winger needs to provide in today's game.

Actually kickers win you footy games .. have we signed one yet?

Amen.
I would trade practically **any** of our players for an 85% kicker.

 

[Snake]

I get a laugh at Nofo taking so long and the amount of money he wants , if a high percentage kicker was available for half the money Nofo would be gone tommorow!

 

[TigerWest]

While Allan or Flanagan aren't exactly too exciting to me, the fact they were able to successfully lure Cotric, JAC, Burton and Hetherington is still a win for Dogs. A recruitment win.
Not usually too focused on anything regarding other teams but this shouldn't be so easily dismissed(or knocked) as no offence to the club and/or Hartigan, it still appears our biggest stumbling block and some of us are more curious to know what exactly is obstructing us from landing marquee players.

FYI don't mean we as fans should dwell on this or criticise the club yet more that it's an area that needs to be addressed.

For me Lauren , it’s money . I think the club has realised that paying JAC 700k to play wing , or a kid with 6 games experience 600k , just isn’t a sound pop strategy anymore .

I think the analytics team, and talent identification, play a much larger role than ever before . Hetherington probably chose the dogs for career opportunities , as despite how low some of you are on our pack , the talent here now is undeniable .

Agree with the money aspect.
Sorry I'm not questioning our methods at all and prefer our new approach but just find it puzzling how the optional preference of possible career suicide seems to be more appealing than coming to us. Plus we've previously applied a similar method to this and were only able to land Reynolds, McQueen, Packer and Mbye.
I actually like that the Dogs secured JAC and Cotric, as it somewhat refutes the claim that teams at the bottom of the ladder are unable to secure the more elite players.
While it does look more promising for us, over the years we've already watched others such as Knights and Titans also have success in this area, and improve. So for me, its like what gives?! How do we become a stronger selling point because realistically we still may very well require a player or two to put us at a stronger vantage point - a team capable of consistently making the finals.

IMO when we had the money, we signed the players you mentioned, who just simply didn’t deliver, various reasons, but didn’t happen, then we went into a hole with no money left and 3 of those players in reserve grade and Mbye struggling to find his position.

Our rep was in the toilet. Who would want to come?

Now we have the money and will not pay overs, but prefer to be more astute, it will be a slower ride, but I think it will deliver the results, just hard to keep waiting.

The dogs have signed well, but they look a bit like us 4 or 5 years ago. The new season will see what Barrett can do.

 

[Lauren]

While Allan or Flanagan aren't exactly too exciting to me, the fact they were able to successfully lure Cotric, JAC, Burton and Hetherington is still a win for Dogs. A recruitment win.
Not usually too focused on anything regarding other teams but this shouldn't be so easily dismissed(or knocked) as no offence to the club and/or Hartigan, it still appears our biggest stumbling block and some of us are more curious to know what exactly is obstructing us from landing marquee players.

FYI don't mean we as fans should dwell on this or criticise the club yet more that it's an area that needs to be addressed.

For me Lauren , it’s money . I think the club has realised that paying JAC 700k to play wing , or a kid with 6 games experience 600k , just isn’t a sound pop strategy anymore .

I think the analytics team, and talent identification, play a much larger role than ever before . Hetherington probably chose the dogs for career opportunities , as despite how low some of you are on our pack , the talent here now is undeniable .

Agree with the money aspect.
Sorry I'm not questioning our methods at all and prefer our new approach but just find it puzzling how the optional preference of possible career suicide seems to be more appealing than coming to us. Plus we've previously applied a similar method to this and were only able to land Reynolds, McQueen, Packer and Mbye.
I actually like that the Dogs secured JAC and Cotric, as it somewhat refutes the claim that teams at the bottom of the ladder are unable to secure the more elite players.
While it does look more promising for us, over the years we've already watched others such as Knights and Titans also have success in this area, and improve. So for me, its like what gives?! How do we become a stronger selling point because realistically we still may very well require a player or two to put us at a stronger vantage point - a team capable of consistently making the finals.

IMO when we had the money, we signed the players you mentioned, who just simply didn’t deliver, various reasons, but didn’t happen, then we went into a hole with no money left and 3 of those players in reserve grade and Mbye struggling to find his position.

**Our rep was in the toilet. Who would want to come?**

Now we have the money and will not pay overs, but prefer to be more astute, it will be a slower ride, but I think it will deliver the results, just hard to keep waiting.

The dogs have signed well, but they look a bit like us 4 or 5 years ago. The new season will see what Barrett can do.

Thanks for the response @TigerWest and I also share this belief and know we're undoing years of horrendous mishandlings.
I probably sound as bad as others I've questioned for being too fickle. Guess I'm also hoping for imminent success despite being aware it takes some progress.
In all seriousness though I just hope it's not an issue that is overlooked by the club. But at the same time I know there's some things out of our control and the right tyoe of player/s will come along.

 

[TigerWest]

While Allan or Flanagan aren't exactly too exciting to me, the fact they were able to successfully lure Cotric, JAC, Burton and Hetherington is still a win for Dogs. A recruitment win.
Not usually too focused on anything regarding other teams but this shouldn't be so easily dismissed(or knocked) as no offence to the club and/or Hartigan, it still appears our biggest stumbling block and some of us are more curious to know what exactly is obstructing us from landing marquee players.

FYI don't mean we as fans should dwell on this or criticise the club yet more that it's an area that needs to be addressed.

For me Lauren , it’s money . I think the club has realised that paying JAC 700k to play wing , or a kid with 6 games experience 600k , just isn’t a sound pop strategy anymore .

I think the analytics team, and talent identification, play a much larger role than ever before . Hetherington probably chose the dogs for career opportunities , as despite how low some of you are on our pack , the talent here now is undeniable .

Agree with the money aspect.
Sorry I'm not questioning our methods at all and prefer our new approach but just find it puzzling how the optional preference of possible career suicide seems to be more appealing than coming to us. Plus we've previously applied a similar method to this and were only able to land Reynolds, McQueen, Packer and Mbye.
I actually like that the Dogs secured JAC and Cotric, as it somewhat refutes the claim that teams at the bottom of the ladder are unable to secure the more elite players.
While it does look more promising for us, over the years we've already watched others such as Knights and Titans also have success in this area, and improve. So for me, its like what gives?! How do we become a stronger selling point because realistically we still may very well require a player or two to put us at a stronger vantage point - a team capable of consistently making the finals.

IMO when we had the money, we signed the players you mentioned, who just simply didn’t deliver, various reasons, but didn’t happen, then we went into a hole with no money left and 3 of those players in reserve grade and Mbye struggling to find his position.

**Our rep was in the toilet. Who would want to come?**

Now we have the money and will not pay overs, but prefer to be more astute, it will be a slower ride, but I think it will deliver the results, just hard to keep waiting.

The dogs have signed well, but they look a bit like us 4 or 5 years ago. The new season will see what Barrett can do.

Thanks for the response @TigerWest and I also share this belief and know we're undoing years of horrendous mishandlings.
I probably sound as bad as others I've questioned for being too fickle. Guess I'm also hoping for imminent success despite being aware it takes some progress.
In all seriousness though I just hope it's not an issue that is overlooked by the club. But at the same time I know there's some things out of our control and the right tyoe of player/s will come along.

Yes, we all live in hope???

 

[sleeve]

While Allan or Flanagan aren't exactly too exciting to me, the fact they were able to successfully lure Cotric, JAC, Burton and Hetherington is still a win for Dogs. A recruitment win.
Not usually too focused on anything regarding other teams but this shouldn't be so easily dismissed(or knocked) as no offence to the club and/or Hartigan, it still appears our biggest stumbling block and some of us are more curious to know what exactly is obstructing us from landing marquee players.

FYI don't mean we as fans should dwell on this or criticise the club yet more that it's an area that needs to be addressed.

For me Lauren , it’s money . I think the club has realised that paying JAC 700k to play wing , or a kid with 6 games experience 600k , just isn’t a sound pop strategy anymore .

I think the analytics team, and talent identification, play a much larger role than ever before . Hetherington probably chose the dogs for career opportunities , as despite how low some of you are on our pack , the talent here now is undeniable .

Agree with the money aspect.
Sorry I'm not questioning our methods at all and prefer our new approach but just find it puzzling how the optional preference of possible career suicide seems to be more appealing than coming to us. Plus we've previously applied a similar method to this and were only able to land Reynolds, McQueen, Packer and Mbye.
I actually like that the Dogs secured JAC and Cotric, as it somewhat refutes the claim that teams at the bottom of the ladder are unable to secure the more elite players.
While it does look more promising for us, over the years we've already watched others such as Knights and Titans also have success in this area, and improve. So for me, its like what gives?! How do we become a stronger selling point because realistically we still may very well require a player or two to put us at a stronger vantage point - a team capable of consistently making the finals.

You are obviously a smart person ,and like all of us anticipation is killing us.I think you will see the signings you wish for come.I'm sure various payers have been approached and it' just a matter of time

 

[BAGNF05]

The Dogs had the Morris twins and were awful. Spending big on a bunch of outside backs is not how you win this comp. Expect them to continue to finish 8th to 14th for the next 4 years

Dogs were actually competitive for large chunks of games last year but couldn’t score points, I’d say they are filling needs with NRL proven players or ones that look like they have upside (Burton/Hetherington). Honestly I think they’ll push for top 4 maybe miss due to a lack of a hooker.

Do you honestly think the dogs will push for top 4 in 2021?!

No chance. They won't make the 8. They may get close to the 8 in 2021 when JAC and Burton join the team.

Cotric and Allen are upgrades and Flanagan will give them direction. Their pack is NRL standard. I have them 4th-9th. If they miss it’ll be due to Marshall-King at hooker.

Really ? Thier pack is below NRL standard dude. Jack Hetherington might be good . He’s played off the bench so far his whole career even last year at the warriors . Napa is past it. So is Jackson . Elliot is ok I guess . RMF is not good . And Luke Thompson screams bust to me . After that , it’s plodder central . That’s average at best for the first 30 mins , what happens when those guys go off the field ?

Elliott and Jackson would walk straight into our back row in my opinion. Some of our guys have shown potential but no consistency. Bulldogs problem has been in their halves, hooker and centres, they can’t get across the line. Agree Napa appears done but maybe surprise given a bit more class around him.

 

[BAGNF05]

The Dogs had the Morris twins and were awful. Spending big on a bunch of outside backs is not how you win this comp. Expect them to continue to finish 8th to 14th for the next 4 years

Dogs were actually competitive for large chunks of games last year but couldn’t score points, I’d say they are filling needs with NRL proven players or ones that look like they have upside (Burton/Hetherington). Honestly I think they’ll push for top 4 maybe miss due to a lack of a hooker.

Do you honestly think the dogs will push for top 4 in 2021?!

No chance. They won't make the 8. They may get close to the 8 in 2021 when JAC and Burton join the team.

Cotric and Allen are upgrades and Flanagan will give them direction. Their pack is NRL standard. I have them 4th-9th. If they miss it’ll be due to Marshall-King at hooker.

The best club of the last decade, moved Flanagan on, so why do you think he will shine in a bottom 2 team?

Allen was moved on, why was that?

There forwards got to an inch of the spoon only because the Bronc’s were the worst ever.

I think they will struggle. Then watch the club implode at board level blaming everyone for the debacle.

Also Burton had big wraps,but what has he done?Some said he will end up in the forwards.

On the one hand, people are saying our young talent strategy is great, then bag the Bulldogs Burton signing - Who will definitely be a long term NRL talent - so which is it?

I swear there’s a few jealous fans on here, we’d be over the moon if we get Cotric, JAC and Burton. And hetherington.

 

[BAGNF05]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

Feels a bit like Keno to me.

 

[BAGNF05]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

We tried to sign JAC and Burton and missed out lol. They quite simply beat us in that regard. We’ve still done well this off season but would’ve been nice to sign some top quality players

Plenty of good fish in the sea mate!
Slow and steady wins the race.

When can we sign an origin level fish ? been forever. We’ve got a better chance of developing talent with our young guys I reckon

Outside of the Roosters, the best clubs don't make "big fish" signings, they develop players rather than paying overs for players at their peak. Look at the 2 grand finalists last year.

I’d be happy with Dale Finucane and Api Korosiau, both signed in their primes.