Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[earl]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.


And they are paying top dollar for those wingers. It’s a high risk play imo. What do they do when/if they realise none of those wingers are fullbacks? ?

Cotric will play centre, Allen will play fullback and Addo Carr is the best winger in the comp. Burton is a huge signing. As much as the Tigers goggles are preventing everyone from seeing it, the Dogs are actually building nicely. Add a good hooker and they're looking pretty good.

Avo, they’re looking “better,” particularly if the new guys perform according to expectations. My point was they’re paying overs. No doubt about JAC being a talent but $650k for a winger on a long term deal? I thought we were right to offer slightly over $500k.

If we're offering Nofoaluma $500k then Addo-Carr is worth every penny of $650k, and then some.


I thought we offered Nofa $400k? making him one of the highest paid wingers in the nrl.

I heard from a reliable source who is neighbors with his manager he is after $650k....

If this is true we should simply remove our contract offer.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.


And they are paying top dollar for those wingers. It’s a high risk play imo. What do they do when/if they realise none of those wingers are fullbacks? ?

Cotric will play centre, Allen will play fullback and Addo Carr is the best winger in the comp. Burton is a huge signing. As much as the Tigers goggles are preventing everyone from seeing it, the Dogs are actually building nicely. Add a good hooker and they're looking pretty good.

Avo, they’re looking “better,” particularly if the new guys perform according to expectations. My point was they’re paying overs. No doubt about JAC being a talent but $650k for a winger on a long term deal? I thought we were right to offer slightly over $500k.

If we're offering Nofoaluma $500k then Addo-Carr is worth every penny of $650k, and then some.


I thought we offered Nofa $400k? making him one of the highest paid wingers in the nrl.

I heard from a reliable source who is neighbors with his manager he is after $650k....

Hope that’s rupees rather than dollars

 

[gallagher]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

I'd say Allen will be the fullback, Flanagan half and Burton 5/8.

 

[sleeve]

I can't understand the Nofo fuss,he is on contract this year,let him play this year,then let him go!He is a winger not a world beater like jac.Penty of kids on the books

 

[Kiama Tiger]

Not sure why Noffas manager is disclosing private information to his neighbour but if so sack him

 

[gallagher]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

Are we though? We've tried to sign some big names and missed out.

We going hard on the junior scene their not

Maybe they are? You don't really here about juniors being signed unless you follow that club.

 

[twentyforty]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.


And they are paying top dollar for those wingers. It’s a high risk play imo. What do they do when/if they realise none of those wingers are fullbacks? ?

Cotric will play centre, Allen will play fullback and Addo Carr is the best winger in the comp. Burton is a huge signing. As much as the Tigers goggles are preventing everyone from seeing it, the Dogs are actually building nicely. Add a good hooker and they're looking pretty good.

Avo, they’re looking “better,” particularly if the new guys perform according to expectations. My point was they’re paying overs. No doubt about JAC being a talent but $650k for a winger on a long term deal? I thought we were right to offer slightly over $500k.

If we're offering Nofoaluma $500k then Addo-Carr is worth every penny of $650k, and then some.


I thought we offered Nofa $400k? making him one of the highest paid wingers in the nrl.

I heard from a reliable source who is neighbors with his manager he is after $650k....

Gosh, it must have been a tough decision for the dogs? Two world class wingers presenting at the same low price of $650k.
?

 

[bigsiro]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.

 

[tony soprano]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

Are we though? We've tried to sign some big names and missed out.

We going hard on the junior scene their not

Maybe they are? You don't really here about juniors being signed unless you follow that club.

Ok mate we are exactly the same or theirdoing a better job if that’s what u think

 

[sleeve]

I don't think recruitment is so much about buying the best player on the market,but about buying players you need in a certain position.It's called a priority.We were soft in the forwards,and we have built that part of our squad up.We need a FB and have Laurie coming.Brooks is still a good 1/2 playing behind(previousy) a poor pack with no set 5/8 and slow backs and no fullback of quality.It's eary days but i expect as many as 3 changes in the backs this year and 5 by 2022.

 

[twentyforty]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.

I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

 

[Tiger5150]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

I'd say Allen will be the fullback, Flanagan half and Burton 5/8.

and DWZ?

 

[weststigerman]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

We tried to sign JAC and Burton and missed out lol. They quite simply beat us in that regard. We’ve still done well this off season but would’ve been nice to sign some top quality players

Plenty of good fish in the sea mate!
Slow and steady wins the race.

When can we sign an origin level fish ? been forever. We’ve got a better chance of developing talent with our young guys I reckon

Outside of the Roosters, the best clubs don't make "big fish" signings, they develop players rather than paying overs for players at their peak. Look at the 2 grand finalists last year.

To not sign one big name player in a decade is awful. Plenty of clubs make big signings whether they’re origin level or not, we haven’t. Not saying our recruitment this season has been bad but we haven’t had a real marquee signing in forever

Packer was a starting NZ international when we signed him. Adam Blair was the "best forward in the world" when we signed him.

They didn't work out, and caused numerous problems because they were carrying so much of the salary cap. I'm glad we've moved away from this model.

 

[bigsiro]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

 

[Tiger5150]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.

Spot on.
I'd also say that spending big on wingers with speed and x-factor would have to be the best money a team can spend nowadays.
If the Bulldogs ambition translates to a willingness to splash out in these areas, then mocking their recruitment is nothing less than sour grapes.


I’ll have my grapes picked from old vines and fermented for 5 years or more, thank you. ?
Are you suggesting we should have offered JAC more than $650?
I thought BJ was on $450k ?

JAC is arguably (next to Tedesco) the most exciting and penetrating player in the game. He is also the fastest.
He is top, top drawer.
As far as wingers go, there is JAC and then daylight.
He is worth whatever the highest bidder would've paid him.

Just how the finances are worked out is beyond me (and all of us) but yes, I wish we would have shown our ambition and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Still a winger, cant be at any cost

 

[Balmainian]

Question: would people rather Widdop (1y)/Noffa (3y) or Laurie (4y)/Mansour(2y). If I had to choose I would probably take Laurie/Mansour

Hard call. Both scenarios have upside and downside.
On Nofoaluma, I really want him to re-sign as I value loyalty but if I’m honest, as footballers I thing him and mansour are interchangeable

Certainly not sure of why, but Nofo hasn’t seemed to be showing loyalty atm?

But I do think wingers are the easiest position to change, quick blokes are coming through every day.

I’ve heard Nofoaluma is getting itchy feet about wanting to play semi final footy and also thinks his value has gone up. You could call that disloyal but you could also call it fair. I think we are heading towards finals footy but we regressed on field in 2020 and maybe he’s had enough. I hope he stays though.

One hot season and he's out to play semis? He's the only other long term player aside from Brooks that can be associated with the repeated past failures. Bit rich to have good season and then start getting bullish about wanting finals footy. If that's his attitude he can go. Stay and build something here, or do a Tedesco/Moses/Woods and parachute into an already successful outfit. Good luck.

There is a reason why this club has not played finals in 10 seasons ..Nofoaluma should sign or move on ,obviously has tickets on himself ,wIngers are a dime a dozen Bigger / faster and can tackle ! Brooks
**will be lucky to see out the full season in the top grade.**

How about instead of bashing our halfback we support him...how many dally m position awards have we got in our current squad? Exactly

In a season where basically only nofa and Luciano had a good year, Brooks seems to be the common go to man for criticism

To be fair, he is the halfback!!!!
If without Munster or Hughes I don’t think Melbourne win the grand final last year, it’s simple without a top line halfback we will struggle to put on points week in week out.
And unfortunately that comes down to brooks.

The quote there is " if without Munster or Hughes"...with Munster out, Hughes, and the team, was struggling. Give Brooks a season with a good 5/8 and see how he goes because this season Benji was woeful.

Since Carr left the tigers years ago he has never played in a struggling side.
Don’t be so sure he will be the same player playing with the bulldogs.

 

[JayT]

I just hope the reason we pulled out of chasing JAC wasn't because the club thought he was inflating his price to join Rabbitohs, which is what I was lead to believe..from...somewhere =p Can't remember. Which of course wasn't true. I hope they kept chasing him and just lost to Bulldogs for some reason.

 

[sleeve]

What a about Papa,Keary,Munster,and a dozen others?JAC is brilliant but only for about 5 minutes in an 80 min game.This is what you are missing ,its easy to get carried away with brilliance but sometimes its a small contributor in a game.

 

[JC99]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

We tried to sign JAC and Burton and missed out lol. They quite simply beat us in that regard. We’ve still done well this off season but would’ve been nice to sign some top quality players

Plenty of good fish in the sea mate!
Slow and steady wins the race.

When can we sign an origin level fish ? been forever. We’ve got a better chance of developing talent with our young guys I reckon

Outside of the Roosters, the best clubs don't make "big fish" signings, they develop players rather than paying overs for players at their peak. Look at the 2 grand finalists last year.

To not sign one big name player in a decade is awful. Plenty of clubs make big signings whether they’re origin level or not, we haven’t. Not saying our recruitment this season has been bad but we haven’t had a real marquee signing in forever

Packer was a starting NZ international when we signed him. Adam Blair was the "best forward in the world" when we signed him.

They didn't work out, and caused numerous problems because they were carrying so much of the salary cap. I'm glad we've moved away from this model.

Sheens used Blair horribly. Packer was playing decent when we signed him, but he was no where near worth the amount we paid for him. It’s not like there was multiple clubs offering him huge money like we did.

He’s not the kind of signing I’m talking about - I mean a $600k+ players who’s actually worth that money. Us paying average players $600k+ doesn’t mean they’re ‘top players’ it means we stuffed up

 

[Deleted member 3518]

While Allan or Flanagan aren't exactly too exciting to me, the fact they were able to successfully lure Cotric, JAC, Burton and Hetherington is still a win for Dogs. A recruitment win.
Not usually too focused on anything regarding other teams but this shouldn't be so easily dismissed(or knocked) as no offence to the club and/or Hartigan, it still appears our biggest stumbling block and some of us are more curious to know what exactly is obstructing us from landing marquee players.

FYI don't mean we as fans should dwell on this or criticise the club yet more that it's an area that needs to be addressed.

For me Lauren , it’s money . I think the club has realised that paying JAC 700k to play wing , or a kid with 6 games experience 600k , just isn’t a sound pop strategy anymore .

I think the analytics team, and talent identification, play a much larger role than ever before . Hetherington probably chose the dogs for career opportunities , as despite how low some of you are on our pack , the talent here now is undeniable .