Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Deleted member 3518]

Can someone post the Ivan Cleary article in the SMH about a trade window.
Ivan Cleary calls for trade windows to fix NRL’s ‘messy’ contracting system




Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has advocated for the introduction of trade windows to better regulate the player market, believing the existing free-for-all system is “messy” and creates confusion for players and fans.

The NRL season kicks off in a month and the lead-up has been dominated by speculation about the future of a number of players, despite the fact most are contracted for 2021. The Panthers have been in the spotlight following release requests from Daine Laurie and Matt Burton, two talented players who will struggle to make Cleary’s top 17 when his entire squad is fit.






Laurie was eventually released to Wests Tigers in a player swap that saw Penrith get Paul Momirovski in return, while Canterbury’s attempts to prise Burton out of Penrith a year early – he signed with the Bulldogs from 2022 – have so far been denied.

Another Panther, Josh Mansour, opted to join South Sydney after being informed he wouldn’t be one of the side’s first-choice wingers.

There has also been conjecture all summer about the futures of off-contract stars Jarome Luai, Stephen Crichton and Isaah Yeo, although the club will be in a position to trumpet their retention well before the season starts.

Cleary believes trade windows would provide the game with a commercial opportunity, while also eliminating much of the innuendo that surrounds player movement in a free-market system.

“I just think we can do it better than how we’re doing it at the moment,” Cleary told the Herald.

“I worry about where it’s going to head. Other sports do it and it seems to be successful for them. It creates interest, it creates media, there are plenty of ways how you could package it up.


“Fans can get really involved in the process; it’s like fantasy league, that creates fan interaction and that’s what they are into.

“[Contract] values could be more accurate, recruitment processes would be better and more accurate. It feels like it could be better.

“I don’t have the whole answer, I haven’t looked at it that much, but it’s a bit messy at the moment.”

The Panthers are under no obligation to release Burton, who will provide much-needed depth should first-choice halves Nathan Cleary and Luai be unavailable due to injury or representative commitments. Burton was told from the outset that he wouldn’t be released early and Canterbury haven’t been able to change Penrith’s stance despite offering up at least four different players at various stages in a bid to tempt the Panthers into a swap deal.

The situation is an unnecessary and potentially avoidable distraction for a side attempting to go one better after last year’s grand final appearance. Cleary believes there is a better way.

“You get a lot of situations where guys are confused: ‘Am I going or am I staying? Am I on the market or am I not?’” Cleary said.



“That’s one thing we have tried to do, to be nice and upfront about everything. There’s nothing worse than going out playing and then you pick up the paper and you’re getting shopped.

“The easy thing to say is you wouldn’t be able to police it properly. They used to say that about the salary cap, but they got a lot better at doing that.”

Cleary believes two to three windows a season would give players a smooth transition to a new club if they were struggnrtih Panthers.ling to break into the NRL at their current one.


“You’re probably going to get some teething problems in the first couple [of windows], so it’s important to not just say it doesn’t work and dump it,” he said. “It’s the sort of thing that would become better over time.”

Man Cleary didn’t care when he was poaching Lolohea from the warriors underneath their radar.
They wanted to keep Tui, they just wanted him to lay off the pies .
This guy is the worst . The more he talks the more I think , classic narcissist!

 

[Tiger_Steve]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough

So.... sign a player for spite?

 

[jadtiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough

Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

 

[TigerWest]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

 

[hank37w]

HOT TAKE: Ivan leaving the Tigers was one of the best things that ever happened to the club.

You're not wrong there.

Despite all the hand wringing and whining that occurred at the time of the traitor leaving us, it has probably turned out to be one of the most fortuitous events in the club's history.

Wouldn't mind betting that Penrith's premiership window has now shut and Ivan will be copping a hell of a lot of heat in the not too distant future.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

HOT TAKE: Ivan leaving the Tigers was one of the best things that ever happened to the club.

You're not wrong there.

Despite all the hand wringing and whining that occurred at the time of the traitor leaving us, it has probably turned out to be one of the most fortuitous events in the club's history.

Wouldn't mind betting that Penrith's premiership window has now shut and Ivan will be copping a hell of a lot of heat in the not too distant future.

They’ve sneaky manged to pluck veterans from other teams on the cheap to fill thier squad . Not eisenhuth level , but Tamou, Tetevano level. The salary cap squeeze is on with them. I also think Ivan is a crap talent evaluator .

 

[TheDaBoss]

the footy is back

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb

 

[jadtiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb

Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

because he probably won't be our number 1 hoomer mid year and he is not signed for 2022
if the dragons came knocking for Liddle 2022,

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

I dont think liddle will be number 1 hooker by mid year and he is not signed beyond 2022 if the dragons came knocking potentially yes

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

because he probably won't be our number 1 hoomer mid year and he is not signed for 2022
if the dragons came knocking for Liddle 2022,

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

I dont think liddle will be number 1 hooker by mid year and he is not signed beyond 2022 if the dragons came knocking potentially yes

I do think we would be hard pushed with just Simpkins and Mmbye all year though

 

[jadtiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

because he probably won't be our number 1 hoomer mid year and he is not signed for 2022
if the dragons came knocking for Liddle 2022,

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

I dont think liddle will be number 1 hooker by mid year and he is not signed beyond 2022 if the dragons came knocking potentially yes

I honestly believe he will be our number 1 hooker this year,imo it would be a very short sighted idea to release him he has been good for us on the field

 

[Cairnstigers]

HOT TAKE: Ivan leaving the Tigers was one of the best things that ever happened to the club.

You're not wrong there.

Despite all the hand wringing and whining that occurred at the time of the traitor leaving us, it has probably turned out to be one of the most fortuitous events in the club's history.

Wouldn't mind betting that Penrith's premiership window has now shut and Ivan will be copping a hell of a lot of heat in the not too distant future.

I'll drink to that

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

because he probably won't be our number 1 hoomer mid year and he is not signed for 2022
if the dragons came knocking for Liddle 2022,

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

would you stand in Liddles way if the dragons offered him a contract from 2022 could he be released early. I do think we need him though but could we cover with simpkins and Mmbye with Laurie at fb


Why would you release our number 1 hooker?We dont have another in the club except for someone who is potentially good but has not played a minute of FG football

I dont think liddle will be number 1 hooker by mid year and he is not signed beyond 2022 if the dragons came knocking potentially yes


I honestly believe he will be our number 1 hooker this year,imo it would be a very short sighted idea to release him he has been good for us on the field

fair enough Jad
it will be interesting to see if the dragons or dogs come looking for Liddle for 2022
I think if we keep liddle and don't play simpkins we will lose him to another club end of 2022

 

[Cairnstigers]

im hoping for that. isaako would be nice

Stgeorge would need to pay full freight now to get McCullough
I dont see Broncos releasing McCullough and Isaako
They are very thin as it is
Brisbane would need someone in return
And not just walters

If I were the Dragqueens, I’d go hard for Walters, he can play 9...and would stick it up the broncos for playing hardball for McCollough


Drags need a player NOW not half way through the season,so i just can't imagine them chasing him.

Have they got anyone we could use?

Maybe look at a swap for Simpkin this year (experience) if they are confident Liddell is OK?

Didn’t do Harry any harm.

With all the hype around Simpkin it would not be worth the risk to let him play somewhere else he will probably play FG at some stage of the season and if he's as good as they say will have to be upgraded to make sure we keep him.

Let them sign Pita Godinet
Or they can sign Mbye for $900'000
If they take Packer at full freight as well

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

mmbye to broncos and Isaako to tigers perhaps for 2021
we can only hope it has legs

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Courier mail reporting the McCullough deal to Dragons about to happen followed shortly by Walters to Broncos. The article was published at 3:38 so I’m not sure whether the McInnes injury will change that.

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Panthers have also re signed Yeo with Crichton to follow next week.