Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Mighty_Tiger]

Joey's defensive stats today.
9 tackles
7 missed tackles
3 ineffective tackles

Is that a record?

If only we still had Momo.

You want to swap Laurie back?

No but we should have swapped BJ instead of momo

Would never of happened. Panthers aren’t dumb.

 

[weststigerman]

Joey's defensive stats today.
9 tackles
7 missed tackles
3 ineffective tackles

Is that a record?

If only we still had Momo.

You want to swap Laurie back?

No but we should have swapped BJ instead of momo

Yep, and we should have swapped Brooks for Cleary and Garner for Kikau. Why didn’t we?

 

[jirskyr]

Nothing lasts forever man . Look at the Raiders , they were basically us before we became the 9th placed team . They’d always finish 8th-9th , and do nothing . Basically in football purgatory , which is where we are now . None of the players they signed to get themselves out would have been stars at the time , and that was just after a period of losing the stars they did groom. Sound familiar ? I think the talent is in the squad .

I agree, there's a lot of perspective to be gained looking at some of the ascendant teams of 2021 and how they got there.

Raiders are a good example - before they made the GF in 2019 they made the finals only once in 6 seasons. Prior to this (2010 and earlier) they yo-yo'd in and out of the Top 8, always around the bottom. Since 2001 - 11th, 8th, 4th, 8th, 14th, 7th, 14th, 6th, 13th, 7th. They were almost a mirror image of the Tigers, except they were managing 7th or 8th instead of 9th during their better seasons.

Sticky took over and they went 15th, 10th, 2nd, 10th, 10th, 4th (GF), 5th. What's interesting there is two-fold:

(1) Stuart was on the nose when he joined Raiders - 15th and 14th in his last two years at Cronulla, followed by the wooden spoon during 2013 with Parramatta.

(2) Stuart has had two runs at finals football with the Raiders, and has done similar things in the past with Cronulla and Roosters. Clearly he has the ability to get a side to the finals, but depending on circumstances, he can't keep it going for long stretches. Very Tim Sheens-like.

Your other example, Penrith: between 2005 and 2013 (9 seasons) they only made the finals once. Since then they've only missed it twice. They sacked their 2015 coach after he missed the finals 3/4 years, put in a bloke who got them to the finals 3 years straight, then sacked him to get back the bloke they had in 2015. He's since gone 10th and Minor Prems, with an average run at Wests Tigers in-between. Obviously Cleary can coach as well, but can't keep his sides in the top flight for more than a year or two at a time.

Parramatta are the most interesting given how bad a side they were for much of 2010s. In the 11 seasons since 2008, they made the finals twice (including 1 GF), got 3 wooden spoons. 5 coaches during that period. Brad Arthur was overlooked for Ricky Stuart in 2016, then ran 10th, 12th and 14th his first 3 seasons. Made the finals 3 of last 4, but another wooden spoon.

Thing about Tigers is there would be a different narrative if one or two of those 9ths were jagged into 7ths or 8ths. We've never done that, never snuck into the finals and got annihilated week one. But then folks look back and see that Canberra had a few 8ths when we had 9ths, but Canberra are judged less harshly over a long period as a non-competitive team.

Similarly Ivan Cleary, Rick Stuart and Brad Arthur have all managed to get their teams into the finals, including Grand Finals for two of them, and yet all 3 of these coaches have a losing record with their current clubs - more seasons out of finals than in the finals.

So as context exactly how long does Madge get to turn the Tigers around? Given he's proven he can coach a team to the top and Tigers have not had successful periods any time near before he arrived.

 

[Guest]

Wests are currently trading on Betfair at between 100/1 and 230/1.
The planned slow start has worked perfectly. We'll all be rich when they win the comp!

P.S. Joey if you're reading this, you're laying it on a bit thick. Nobody will believe that you could play this badly.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Joey's defensive stats today.
9 tackles
7 missed tackles
3 ineffective tackles

Is that a record?

If only we still had Momo.

You want to swap Laurie back?

No but we should have swapped BJ instead of momo

Would never of happened. Panthers aren’t dumb.

They took Robert Jennings.

 

[izotope]

Joey's defensive stats today.
9 tackles
7 missed tackles
3 ineffective tackles

Is that a record?

If only we still had Momo.

You want to swap Laurie back?

No but we should have swapped BJ instead of momo

Would never of happened. Panthers aren’t dumb.


They took Robert Jennings.

Too many stars need some Min wage players. Doubt they would fork out 400 for BJ

 

[851]

Adam Reynolds to 7
Brooks to 6
James Roberts centre
Adam Douhie centre
Corey Oates wing
Nofo wing
d Laurie fb

Brooks can just go, Reynolds would be awesome, Douiehi can stay at 6

 

[finnzo]

Surley we are due for a marquee signing no idea who and I doubt it will happen but god it would be nice haha

 

[tigerbalm]

Surley we are due for a marquee signing no idea who and I doubt it will happen but god it would be nice haha

I remember a CEO telling fans that re-signing Woods was our Marquee for the year.

Might happen again.

 

[851]

Joey's defensive stats today.
9 tackles
7 missed tackles
3 ineffective tackles

Is that a record?

If only we still had Momo.

You want to swap Laurie back?

No but we should have swapped BJ instead of momo

Would never of happened. Panthers aren’t dumb.


They took Robert Jennings.

And Eiso

 

[sleeve]

Tigers woes easily fixed, we need a Brain Surgeon, a Motivational Physologist, A Heart Surgeon and if that fails, 5 new backs! lol.

 

[weststigerman]

If we're replacing Brooks, it needs to be an experienced player.

Doesn't matter how good this Volkman is, your spine can't be made up of players with hardly any first grade experience.

Players like Reynolds, Hastings, Johnson, Hastings seem the guys in that category. I don't care about favourite players, just want someone that knows what to do when it's 4th or 5th tackle.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

We really do need to have a chat to Adam Reynolds. Let's not sit around and let him make a deal with Souths, let's offer him a decent contract

Doubt he leaves but worth the try. Tom Dearden or Jackson Hastings good options too. We clearly lack an organising half

100%.

I remember many people saying no thanks. Why? The guy has won a comp and is one of the best in the world.

 

[Tiger5150]

We really do need to have a chat to Adam Reynolds. Let's not sit around and let him make a deal with Souths, let's offer him a decent contract

Doubt he leaves but worth the try. Tom Dearden or Jackson Hastings good options too. We clearly lack an organising half

100%.

I remember many people saying no thanks. Why? The guy has won a comp and is one of the best in the world.

I was one that said no thanks and the biggest part of that for me is that he is old and there is maximum 2 years you are going to get a reasonable result out of him. Half is such a critical position that we need someone longer term that we can build a team around.

That of course was dependent on getting results out of Brooksy which on early indications looks shaky.

 

[The_Patriot]

If we're replacing Brooks, it needs to be an experienced player.

Doesn't matter how good this Volkman is, your spine can't be made up of players with hardly any first grade experience.

Players like Reynolds, Hastings, Johnson, Hastings seem the guys in that category. I don't care about favourite players, just want someone that knows what to do when it's 4th or 5th tackle.

Incorrect.

As you state you just want someone who knows what to do when it's needed.

That doesn't come down to experience, comes down to mentality and talent

 

[tiger_scott]

We could suggest swapping Milford for MBye with the Broncs? He is on the nose with them so Kevvy might think of it as a win. They might get more value out of MBye and with less spotlight on him, Milford MAY go okay for us. Both on high value contracts so hard to move by their teams. Would partially placate two fan bases with one swap.

 

[DJG]

It would have been perfect to have McInnes next year IMO...

Reason I say that is because we need more leaders in the group..

when Tamou goes off... whom is the leader?

 

[carltonleach]

If we're replacing Brooks, it needs to be an experienced player.

Doesn't matter how good this Volkman is, your spine can't be made up of players with hardly any first grade experience.

Players like Reynolds, Hastings, Johnson, Hastings seem the guys in that category. I don't care about favourite players, just want someone that knows what to do when it's 4th or 5th tackle.

I get what ur saying but players can just slot in and play like experienced players. For example daine laureys had what 1 maybe 2 games of first grade experience before we signed him and hes been our best by a long, long way. Experience is good but it's not everything. These young guys coming through can do it without experience, not all but some and they also dont have demons on their shoulders from previous seasons or clubs. U can go looking for experience and end up with players like BJ or u can go with a bit of youth and build on it with players like laurie or volkman for this example.

 

[weststigers]

Unfortunately Brooks needs a fresh start at another club. He doesn’t fit what we need at the moment and that is a commanding half.

Take a look at all the teams that have won a grand final in the last 20 years. Most, if not all teams had a highly regarded and experienced half steering the team around the park.

Johns, Prince, Cronk, Munster, Thurston, Reynolds etc.

A steady, dominant and experienced half like Reynolds for a couple of years would improve our team immensely.

I doubt we’d be paying any more money than what Brooks is on now given his age.

Pair that with Schuster and another quality back rower and we’ve got ourselves a team with top 8 credentials.

Imagine 1. Laurie, 6. Schuster, 7. Adam Reynolds ......

 

[jrtiger]

plenty of decent halfbacks on the market, it's just a matter of picking the right one if we decide to go down that route. Phoenix Crossland, Troy Dargan, Tom Dearden and Brayden Trindall are all better options than Madden imo and I think a few of them would definitely be available.

Reynolds and Johnson are both options but I don't see either of them leaving their current clubs despite the noise around their situations. Hastings isn't the answer.

our recruitment has been decent in recent past and I'll back Hartigan and Madge to make the right call if they think it's best to go to market. looking in our own backyard I'm not quite sure if we have a half that can do the job. I'm not sold on Madden, and Tyler Field and Mikey Tannous are still a long way away from first grade. very big decision coming up in terms of who our long term 7 is.