Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Magpieger]

I mentioned earlier a back-rower killing it at the Eels and said Kaufusi but actually meant Niukore. Anyone rate him? He's looking the goods, probably why Parra aren't playing Nathan Browns games.

 

[Speed2burn]

Saw the stats yday and scratched my head at how we won. The errors and surprisingly, our kicking game are what saved us.

Everyone keeps banging on about the knights errors yet forgets we bombed about 3-4 tries ourselves

I can only remember the Mbye one? Which was a sitter and should have shut the gate.

I should have corrected myself to try scoring opportunities*

Early on when AJ kicked for a settler on 3rd tackle with 4 players in support

The obvious Mbye one

There was another that Gould pointed out, early in the game, AD kicks in goal when all he had to do was draw and pass and Liddle was through a yawning gap

 

[voice_of_reason]

I should have corrected myself to try scoring opportunities*

And the one where AJ was put away down the sideline and dropped it cold. May not have led to anything but was in a LOT of space and could have led to points.

 

[JC99]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Either show complete stats or nothing.

Klemmer played 72 mins, most of our props played 30-40. So of course he made more total metres. Our backs also take 3/5 hitups per set so forwards only get two between them usually.

This is pretty basic stuff here people.

If you really want to look at the whole stats, we had 52% possession, completed 6 more sets than Knights yet still ran 200 metres less than them. Definitely an area that needs some improvement.

Compiling NRL stats must be difficult - so much depends on interpretation.

I usually look at the Fox stats and they tell a slightly different story to yours. According to Fox we didn't have 52% possession, we didn't complete 6 more sets and we didn't run 200 metres less than Newcastle.

According to Fox:
Possession and Territory was 50% / 50%;
Newcastle had 39 sets to our 38;
Newcastle completed 27 sets (69%) to our 31 completions (81%);
Newcastle made 324 tackles to our 316 tackles;
Even though we completed more sets Newcastle had more runs - 171 runs to 159 runs.
Newcastle ran 1553 metres (average 9.08 metres per run);
We ran 1425 metres (average 9 metres per run).

Based on these stats the differences between the sides was not as great as the stats you quote. Who to believe ?

The NRL are the official stats so that's what I go off.

I don't know if people thought I was being rude or something but I was just answering the question of 'who to believe' nothing malicious intended lol

 

[rihannafan1]

Saw the stats yday and scratched my head at how we won. The errors and surprisingly, our kicking game are what saved us.

Everyone keeps banging on about the knights errors yet forgets we bombed about 3-4 tries ourselves

I can only remember the Mbye one? Which was a sitter and should have shut the gate.

I should have corrected myself to try scoring opportunities*

Early on when AJ kicked for a settler on 3rd tackle with 4 players in support

The obvious Mbye one

There was another that Gould pointed out, early in the game, AD kicks in goal when all he had to do was draw and pass and Liddle was through a yawning gap

All good, I knew what you meant :+1:

Yeah right the AJ one. Watched the Kayo coverage so didn't see Gould's point. Pretty happy with the effort from our forwards. Good to think that Blore is coming back too.

 

[Speed2burn]

I should have corrected myself to try scoring opportunities*

And the one where AJ was put away down the sideline and dropped it cold. May not have led to anything but was in a LOT of space and could have led to points.

I thought we were easily a 3 try better team and a good side would have put them away comfortably.

But you know, Tigers just being the Tigers made it hard

 

[balmain boy]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Either show complete stats or nothing.

Klemmer played 72 mins, most of our props played 30-40. So of course he made more total metres. Our backs also take 3/5 hitups per set so forwards only get two between them usually.

This is pretty basic stuff here people.

I did think about the time on the field but this chart doesn't show it
By the way
Why don't you add up all the minutes played by our guys and compare against the two Newcastle boys
Surely the 4 Tigers mentioned in total played as many minutes
Yet our meters are still way down
Maybe we had better field position?
Our guys had fresh legs yet we couldn't inflict the damage we should have
And if our forwards did more work for the time they are on then our backs would be fresher ?




So 2 guys from Newcastle killed our 4 main guys in meters and tackles combined but you and 10 others are happy with that

Newcastle's bench added nothing at all. Literally nothing. Everything came from the starters. So yes their stats are padded based on their team's reliance on those two individuals.

Conversely we had 6 props out there who shared the workload. You could have swapped Mikaele with Stefano and get a slightly different picture.

We also relied on our backs to work off the line, they had better field position and could use their forwards in the middle of the field.

You're also looking at two Origin forwards compared to our no-frills pack, these two would out perform many props.

 

[BAGNF05]

Saw the stats yday and scratched my head at how we won. The errors and surprisingly, our kicking game are what saved us.

Everyone keeps banging on about the knights errors yet forgets we bombed about 3-4 tries ourselves

And quite a few were forced errors.

Even when we win, we don’t win according to some people, it’s the other team losing it

Shibasaki to be fair to the rest of the Knights

He made Rob Jennings look like an immortal ?

Wingers cop plenty, that’s what happens when you think you can manufacture one

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Those stats show me that there's only two guys prepared to the hard yards becomes very predictable I noticed our defence hit on Klemmer as quick as they could to stop his off loading they did this with great success which dinted the Knights attack its much better for our forwards to share the load.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Either show complete stats or nothing.

Klemmer played 72 mins, most of our props played 30-40. So of course he made more total metres. Our backs also take 3/5 hitups per set so forwards only get two between them usually.

This is pretty basic stuff here people.

If you really want to look at the whole stats, we had 52% possession, completed 6 more sets than Knights yet still ran 200 metres less than them. Definitely an area that needs some improvement.

Compiling NRL stats must be difficult - so much depends on interpretation.

I usually look at the Fox stats and they tell a slightly different story to yours. According to Fox we didn't have 52% possession, we didn't complete 6 more sets and we didn't run 200 metres less than Newcastle.

According to Fox:
Possession and Territory was 50% / 50%;
Newcastle had 39 sets to our 38;
Newcastle completed 27 sets (69%) to our 31 completions (81%);
Newcastle made 324 tackles to our 316 tackles;
Even though we completed more sets Newcastle had more runs - 171 runs to 159 runs.
Newcastle ran 1553 metres (average 9.08 metres per run);
We ran 1425 metres (average 9 metres per run).

Based on these stats the differences between the sides was not as great as the stats you quote. Who to believe ?

The NRL are the official stats so that's what I go off.

I don't know if people thought I was being rude or something but I was just answering the question of 'who to believe' nothing malicious intended lol

It was I who asked the question and I didn't take your reply as rude. Heavens knows why your reply got a thumbs down.

 

[cqtiger]

I only look at stats in the W/L column

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Saw the stats yday and scratched my head at how we won. The errors and surprisingly, our kicking game are what saved us.

Everyone keeps banging on about the knights errors yet forgets we bombed about 3-4 tries ourselves

True but I like. to believe we created these opportunities.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Those stats show me that there's only two guys prepared to the hard yards becomes very predictable I noticed our defence hit on Klemmer as quick as they could to stop his off loading they did this with great success which dinted the Knights attack its much better for our forwards to share the load.

Yes I agree in what you say
Also I'm not doubting that the two Newcastle boys had more minutes Individually
But these two guys put on 95 meters more than our 4 guys combined while also completing only 4 less tackles
Imagine where our team would be if our starting props could produce those numbers
It's a huge advantage for them and it shows
I thought on paper our backs looked far superior
But we only scrapped in with a win
It's a start and I am happy with the win
But we need to be a more complete team to mix it with the top 8
Less mistakes / holding the ball
Less giving away penalties and 6 agains
Better kicking game long and short
More meters from our big men
It all adds to putting the other team under pressure
Something we find hard to do
It's early in the season and I am hopeful it will come for all of us

 

[Lauren]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

[Abc](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/nrl-scorecentre-titans-defeat-cowboys-wests-tigers-beat-knight/100029114) stats tell a different story.
Just went to check on foxsports nrl site for the team stats which still has Aloiai in the Wests Tigers player list ?

How many post contact metres did they have him making for us against Newcastle?

Unfortunately it doesn't include individual player stats sorry, but it shows that they (Knights) had 28 more carries than us yet only made 94 more metres. Also the tackle count had us at 360 to their 352, with us missing 27 to their 31. They kicked in play 17 times to our 21. But the only additional stat I found from the other site was their offloads were like 15 compared to our 5. Things like that.
So for me it tells me how despite our faults or errors, we were capably shutting them down and had them under the pump.
Everyone (not specifically on the forum) is saying they played shit and lost it for themselves but not really acknowledging why - we forced errors and put pressure on them - which I think is good for building team morale and confidence, as it shows if they put in the effort it pays off.

I know that Knights backline were average and the Kepaoa and Mbye(not scoring) plays we wouldn't get away with or can't miss those type of opportunities against a top team...or any team for that matter. Or can't have that amount of missed tackles to regain any momentum.
Yet I felt the stats reflected what we really need to continue working on and more importantly that we did more with the ball than Knights, which is honestly all we've been asking for from the team.
I know Eels are going to be a bigger challenge but the good and bad stats show us where we can win it IMO.

 

[Speed2burn]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

[Abc](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/nrl-scorecentre-titans-defeat-cowboys-wests-tigers-beat-knight/100029114) stats tell a different story.
Just went to check on foxsports nrl site for the team stats which still has Aloiai in the Wests Tigers player list ?

How many post contact metres did they have him making for us against Newcastle?

Unfortunately it doesn't include individual player stats sorry, but it shows that they (Knights) had 28 more carries than us yet only made 94 more metres. Also the tackle count had us at 360 to their 352, with us missing 27 to their 31. They kicked in play 17 times to our 21. But the only additional stat I found from the other site was their offloads were like 15 compared to our 5. Things like that.
So for me it tells me how despite our faults or errors, we were capably shutting them down and had them under the pump.
Everyone (not specifically on the forum) is saying they played shit and lost it for themselves but not really acknowledging why - we forced errors and put pressure on them - which I think is good for building team morale and confidence, as it shows if they put in the effort it pays off.

I know that Knights backline were average and the Kepaoa and Mbye(not scoring) plays we wouldn't get away with or can't miss those type of opportunities against a top team...or any team for that matter. Or can't have that amount of missed tackles to regain any momentum.
Yet I felt the stats reflected what we really need to continue working on and more importantly that we did more with the ball than Knights, which is honestly all we've been asking for from the team.
I know Eels are going to be a bigger challenge but the good and bad stats show us where we can win it IMO.

Great points being made here.

I think we still struggle in attack in the opp 20, importantly, we need to figure out how to inject Laurie into the game

Most of the stuff he’s been impressing us with is his kick returns and how good he is under the high ball

 

[jirskyr]

J Reynolds MOTM in his debut super league match...could be a handy pick up

This is the exact reason why a Hastings signing doesn’t excite me.

Well that's a weak reason to be frank, already discussed, for two points:

#1 Man Of Steel has often been a very capable footballer - Hodgson, Pat Richards, Ellery Hanley, Gary Schofield, Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell, James Graham, Jamie Peacock etc.

#2 J Rey was MOM 1 match. Not yet the same as being best player in the entire comp a whole year.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

[Abc](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/nrl-scorecentre-titans-defeat-cowboys-wests-tigers-beat-knight/100029114) stats tell a different story.
Just went to check on foxsports nrl site for the team stats which still has Aloiai in the Wests Tigers player list ?

How many post contact metres did they have him making for us against Newcastle?

Unfortunately it doesn't include individual player stats sorry, but it shows that they (Knights) had 28 more carries than us yet only made 94 more metres. Also the tackle count had us at 360 to their 352, with us missing 27 to their 31. They kicked in play 17 times to our 21. But the only additional stat I found from the other site was their offloads were like 15 compared to our 5. Things like that.
So for me it tells me how despite our faults or errors, we were capably shutting them down and had them under the pump.
Everyone (not specifically on the forum) is saying they played shit and lost it for themselves but not really acknowledging why - we forced errors and put pressure on them - which I think is good for building team morale and confidence, as it shows if they put in the effort it pays off.

I know that Knights backline were average and the Kepaoa and Mbye(not scoring) plays we wouldn't get away with or can't miss those type of opportunities against a top team...or any team for that matter. Or can't have that amount of missed tackles to regain any momentum.
Yet I felt the stats reflected what we really need to continue working on and more importantly that we did more with the ball than Knights, which is honestly all we've been asking for from the team.
I know Eels are going to be a bigger challenge but the good and bad stats show us where we can win it IMO.

Great points being made here.

I think we still struggle in attack in the opp 20, importantly, we need to figure out how to inject Laurie into the game

Most of the stuff he’s been impressing us with is his kick returns and how good he is under the high ball

The one time he chimes in on the right we score, he needs to go right more often (the team as a whole does), especially if Opacic is lining up at left centre for the Eels.

 

[Speed2burn]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

[Abc](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/nrl-scorecentre-titans-defeat-cowboys-wests-tigers-beat-knight/100029114) stats tell a different story.
Just went to check on foxsports nrl site for the team stats which still has Aloiai in the Wests Tigers player list ?

How many post contact metres did they have him making for us against Newcastle?

Unfortunately it doesn't include individual player stats sorry, but it shows that they (Knights) had 28 more carries than us yet only made 94 more metres. Also the tackle count had us at 360 to their 352, with us missing 27 to their 31. They kicked in play 17 times to our 21. But the only additional stat I found from the other site was their offloads were like 15 compared to our 5. Things like that.
So for me it tells me how despite our faults or errors, we were capably shutting them down and had them under the pump.
Everyone (not specifically on the forum) is saying they played shit and lost it for themselves but not really acknowledging why - we forced errors and put pressure on them - which I think is good for building team morale and confidence, as it shows if they put in the effort it pays off.

I know that Knights backline were average and the Kepaoa and Mbye(not scoring) plays we wouldn't get away with or can't miss those type of opportunities against a top team...or any team for that matter. Or can't have that amount of missed tackles to regain any momentum.
Yet I felt the stats reflected what we really need to continue working on and more importantly that we did more with the ball than Knights, which is honestly all we've been asking for from the team.
I know Eels are going to be a bigger challenge but the good and bad stats show us where we can win it IMO.

Great points being made here.

I think we still struggle in attack in the opp 20, importantly, we need to figure out how to inject Laurie into the game

Most of the stuff he’s been impressing us with is his kick returns and how good he is under the high ball

The one time he chimes in on the right we score, he needs to go right more often (the team as a whole does), especially if Opacic is lining up at left centre for the Eels.

Was that the one where we scored off the scrum? I thought that was a poor defensive read, rushed up on Laurie to force a pass out of him

One things for sure, this eels backline will work us overtime

 

[TCL]

J Reynolds MOTM in his debut super league match...could be a handy pick up

This is the exact reason why a Hastings signing doesn’t excite me.

Well that's a weak reason to be frank, already discussed, for two points:

#1 Man Of Steel has often been a very capable footballer - Hodgson, Pat Richards, Ellery Hanley, Gary Schofield, Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell, James Graham, Jamie Peacock etc.

#2 J Rey was MOM 1 match. Not yet the same as being best player in the entire comp a whole year.

I hear you but I don't think its a weak reason at all and i didn't say he wont be successful here, it just doesn't excite me and i am not as confident that a key role like a 7 will translate and be as successful.

However, if it was discussed did we consider the following to your examples, both Hodgson and Richards had already won a premiership in the NRL before going over there so i am not surprised the won the award. Hanley won the award 3 times before coming to Australia to play on the wing.

Schofield, sculthorpe, farrell and peacock while winners of the award and good footballers never played in the NRL and while we can speculate that they may have worked out, there is no evidence to say the would definitely work.

Sam Tomkins also won the award and came to the NRL however, that didn't work out to well for the warriors.

So while there has been discussions i don't think its conclusive that just because you win the Man of Steel in the UK that your going to be a success in the NRL, hence the reason why i'm not sure Hastings will be a step up for us.

IMO you could argue that should Brooks go to the UK, he may very well win a Man of Steel.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

Surely tuki offers more on bench then any player on the current bench does baring Stefano

I would give tuki a go on the bench
If he can do what Stefano has done in his short time with us then our bench would be one of the strongest in the comp
I was a little disappointed with Musgrove on the weekend but 1st game back so will give a little leniency
Ofahengaue also needs to produce more meters
Musgrove needs more tackles
Our team needs to share the load of work to be more efficient and effective

On the weekend
D. Klemmer 197 meters 37 tackles
D. Saifiti 162 meters 27tackles

2 man Total 359 meters 64 tackles


J. Tamou 76meters 26 tackles
Z. Musgrove 97meters 8 tackles
J. Ofahengaue 59meters 20 tackles
T. Mikaele 32meters 14 tackles

Our 4 man total 264 meters 68 tackles
I would expect more from our big 4

I know I left Stefano out who was our best but he is also our most inexperienced

Can you point me in the direction to where you find those stats, I’d be keen to see what the others were ty


Cheers.
I thought we'd had Klemmer contained quite good and struggled more with Saifiti - as he tends to offload and we were clearly trying more to stop that when tackling him.
Surprised with Twal's stats and must say I've noticed a bit of onfield leadership from him of late.
Good metres from Luciano but have been worried a little about him, as besides the defensive issues (which I believe can be sorted going off Gardner's turnaround) notice he's being heavily targeted in games and not sure if his confidence is a bit down. Can't wait to see him back to his best, as I love the energy he brings to the team.

Warriors I notice have a few players leading with [PCM](https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2021&stat=1000112) with Twal in the Top 50. We're coming 13th and 15th however with PCM and run metres collectively as a team, which is a little disappointing considering we've now got some [size](https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/11/super-sized-warriors-revive-2002-strategy-with-nrls-heaviest-squad/).

Crazy meters for knights

Newcastle errors largely kept us in the game. Those stats show we still have alot to work on in the forwards. LL copped a fair bit of criticism but he works harder than anyone else.

[Abc](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/nrl-scorecentre-titans-defeat-cowboys-wests-tigers-beat-knight/100029114) stats tell a different story.
Just went to check on foxsports nrl site for the team stats which still has Aloiai in the Wests Tigers player list ?

How many post contact metres did they have him making for us against Newcastle?

Unfortunately it doesn't include individual player stats sorry, but it shows that they (Knights) had 28 more carries than us yet only made 94 more metres. Also the tackle count had us at 360 to their 352, with us missing 27 to their 31. They kicked in play 17 times to our 21. But the only additional stat I found from the other site was their offloads were like 15 compared to our 5. Things like that.
So for me it tells me how despite our faults or errors, we were capably shutting them down and had them under the pump.
Everyone (not specifically on the forum) is saying they played shit and lost it for themselves but not really acknowledging why - we forced errors and put pressure on them - which I think is good for building team morale and confidence, as it shows if they put in the effort it pays off.

I know that Knights backline were average and the Kepaoa and Mbye(not scoring) plays we wouldn't get away with or can't miss those type of opportunities against a top team...or any team for that matter. Or can't have that amount of missed tackles to regain any momentum.
Yet I felt the stats reflected what we really need to continue working on and more importantly that we did more with the ball than Knights, which is honestly all we've been asking for from the team.
I know Eels are going to be a bigger challenge but the good and bad stats show us where we can win it IMO.

Great points being made here.

I think we still struggle in attack in the opp 20, importantly, we need to figure out how to inject Laurie into the game

Most of the stuff he’s been impressing us with is his kick returns and how good he is under the high ball

The one time he chimes in on the right we score, he needs to go right more often (the team as a whole does), especially if Opacic is lining up at left centre for the Eels.

Was that the one where we scored off the scrum? I thought that was a poor defensive read, rushed up on Laurie to force a pass out of him

One things for sure, this eels backline will work us overtime

Yep that's the one, was a bad read but still a well worked play and good hands by Daine.