Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[avocadoontoast]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

Yeah remember when they said on the tv there’d be a heap of movement over this period? The only move has been Chad to NZ

 

[Cairnstigers]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

When he is the one missing the tackles and dropping, balls, giving away 6 agains or penalties

We can only blame him for poor tactics both in attack and defence
And that doesn't apply if the players aren't nailing his plays and directions

Coaches are judged on wins and losses. It's his job to get the team ready for the game both physically and mentally.

Yes agree to an extent
But how would Madge go coaching a team of players like the Storm
We will never know because we don't have those players
Let him have the full cap at his disposal
That will happen when Mbye is completely off our books
Then and only then can we judge

 

[Cairnstigers]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

Pretty short sighted.

3 years or worse being performances. He’s had his chance and failed. Need to turn it around, he hasn’t got the ability to do it.

Once Mbyes Packers and all of Reynolds money is available and spent, then we can start to apply more blame to Madge
That is still alot of cap he will be able to spend
About $1'600'000 on two players doing bugger all
That could buy TPJ and Finucane and we would still have change
Those two would make a big difference to our team
So let's give him till mid next year to spend the money and see who we end up with
The next two signings are crucial to his future at our club
If we don't have success then I am sure he will be gone

Don't forget Mbye, JL, contracts if moved maybe another 1mil. Hastings and Gildart will probably balance that.

I don't think they will be nearly on that much

 

[Cairnstigers]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

When he is the one missing the tackles and dropping, balls, giving away 6 agains or penalties

We can only blame him for poor tactics both in attack and defence
And that doesn't apply if the players aren't nailing his plays and directions

My concern with Madge, is the fact he does not drop under performing players soon enough. Last year Brooks and Benji were dropped, to try and find a working combination.
This year it took forever to drop JL, then we have had Mbye who at times seems to lack commitment, TT, who is nowhere near ist gde standard, to mention a few. Top coaches give maybe 1 chance. I know people say we don.t have the cattle in the cup side,i say rubbish, it's the only way a coach can get the message across, - lift your game or you are dropped.

Agreed
Put them on notice

 

[Cairnstigers]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

Ivan got on the bus after it was full

 

[JC99]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

Yeah remember when they said on the tv there’d be a heap of movement over this period? The only move has been Chad to NZ

Can't believe teams actually want Chad. Sharks have improved greatly after dropping him

 

[avocadoontoast]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

Yeah remember when they said on the tv there’d be a heap of movement over this period? The only move has been Chad to NZ

Can't believe teams actually want Chad. Sharks have improved greatly after dropping him

I know, he’s awful

 

[Barnsta B]

There are loads of different variables that go on that us as fans aren't privy to.
Madge is a hard ass but i think its a good thing. I think some of the players just have not bought into his methods but others have. Our Flegg, womens side and KOE cup team are doing amazing. The club is building form the bottom up. It is definitely not a quick fix that us fans want but will possibly/hopefully/better be a successful side in the next 2 years and years to come. You can't change attitude and mentality overnight, it does take years to embedd culture

 

[avocadoontoast]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

When he is the one missing the tackles and dropping, balls, giving away 6 agains or penalties

We can only blame him for poor tactics both in attack and defence
And that doesn't apply if the players aren't nailing his plays and directions

Coaches are judged on wins and losses. It's his job to get the team ready for the game both physically and mentally.

Yes agree to an extent
But how would Madge go coaching a team of players like the Storm
We will never know because we don't have those players
Let him have the full cap at his disposal
That will happen when Mbye is completely off our books
Then and only then can we judge

Do you think it will make a difference? I don’t.

 

[happy_tiger]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

And what message does that send to the players?

I don’t particularly care, I just want to win games.


And fans wonder why good players choose to play at teams with other quality players.

Poor attitude or not, you can’t turn over a roster endlessly until you find one the coach can work with. I think our players have a horrible attitude and I’m not defending them, but they’re all going backwards under our coach.

Compare our best players to the best players in the teams that are in the top 6 and there is your reality check - we are around where we should be be. We have some young talent that have not gone backwards under Maguire - inconsistent yes - which is pretty consistent with all young players especially those in struggling teams. Your frustration in losing will not change the reality of the vast difference in the talent between the top 6 sides and the rest.
If we don't effect true change - sack Maguire or not - the perception remains and we will keep picking from the scraps.

I disagree. Our roster is better than it was when Maguire arrived yet our on field performance has steadily gone backwards.

In what positions is it better? Brooks/ Nofa the only real constants and some would say they shouldn't be. What other players have a hold on their position based on consistent performance not including those like Laurie Seyfarth Stefano who are in their first year in FG.?

Pretty much across the squad. The issue is they’ve declined since joining. Look at BJ and JTJ. Tahu said they’d be the origin centres, now ones in reserve grade and the other one should be. Why is it that so many players have regressed under his coaching?

Neither JTJ or BJ were wanted by their clubs these are the sort of players we attract - risks at best. Five years ago they would have been a great combination not now. Would struggle to make FG in any other side. They were not in for when they came here not even close.

We've signed some has beens over the last 5/6 years ....few of us Forum members must be due a call

 

[finnzo]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

Yeah remember when they said on the tv there’d be a heap of movement over this period? The only move has been Chad to NZ

Can't believe teams actually want Chad. Sharks have improved greatly after dropping him

I know, he’s awful

Cowboys have signed him on a three year deal haha they will want out of that in no time

 

[hodgo]

That was interesting to read tbh. Both sides of the argument re madge are interesting.
Firstly I'm a madge fan however the criticisms of him are fair I believe. Many argue that swapping coaches again is a bad mistake and I tend to agree. There is an alternative way of looking at it however. If we are genuinely grading madge on just his performance we honestly have to be concerned.
One argument needs to be made as well if we had had a few years of stability before madge would you be happy with his direction. Our performances have definately got worse. Our defence is ordinary and an area madge has constantly said is a focal point. Our ability to adapt to the new rules has definately seemed slower then other teams.

Personally I think we have hit a new low and I think you give madge until the end of the year to see improvement. At the end of the year we have a review and an honest assessment of where we are at. There really isn't a must have coach out there that won't be available at years end.

I also think we need to be realistic with our roster. We have zero players that are in the top 6-8 in their respective positions. EVERYONE is replacable. That means Brooks, ad, Lucy, twal everyone. The problem we have is we overrate our players massively.
Every player that could be an improvement must be approached. Every coach assistant coach that could be an improvement must be assessed. The only way to improve is to be aggressive and yes it will cost us a few over payments. Think Walsh, ponga, laterell.

In the end we should never stop trying to improve we shouldnt be happy with the status quo. Forget hurt feeling, find the iron ship out the rest

 

[hsvjones]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

We are just waiting for the other 15 clubs to make moves and then we can try and get the left overs... IF we don't pick up a quality player before the Deadline of 1 August ( for either this year or 2022) I will start to have some serious doubt in the coach and management of the team. We are one of only a few clubs with money to burn

 

[JC99]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

Yeah remember when they said on the tv there’d be a heap of movement over this period? The only move has been Chad to NZ

Can't believe teams actually want Chad. Sharks have improved greatly after dropping him

I know, he’s awful

Cowboys have signed him on a three year deal haha they will want out of that in no time

On big money too. Silly from Payten

 

[hsvjones]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

Yeah remember when they said on the tv there’d be a heap of movement over this period? The only move has been Chad to NZ

Can't believe teams actually want Chad. Sharks have improved greatly after dropping him

I know, he’s awful

Cowboys have signed him on a three year deal haha they will want out of that in no time

Very strange indeed ... They have Deaden and Drinkwater and thats the guys I would stick with even though I don't rate Deaden at all.

 

[JC99]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

We are just waiting for the other 15 clubs to make moves and then we can try and get the left overs... IF we don't pick up a quality player before the Deadline of 1 August ( for either this year or 2022) I will start to have some serious doubt in the coach and management of the team. We are one of only a few clubs with money to burn

Not much real quality available at this point, at least off contract players. Finucane or TPJ the best two but they're not exactly marquee signings either

 

[Deleted member 3518]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

 

[hsvjones]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

We are just waiting for the other 15 clubs to make moves and then we can try and get the left overs... IF we don't pick up a quality player before the Deadline of 1 August ( for either this year or 2022) I will start to have some serious doubt in the coach and management of the team. We are one of only a few clubs with money to burn

Not much real quality available at this point, at least off contract players. Finucane or TPJ the best two but they're not exactly marquee signings either

Agree not many available but we have all this cash to burn and both of them players would make us a better team. We need to get at least 1 to ease the pressure on the club (and Fans) and not been able to attract players.

 

[happy_tiger]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

We are just waiting for the other 15 clubs to make moves and then we can try and get the left overs... IF we don't pick up a quality player before the Deadline of 1 August ( for either this year or 2022) I will start to have some serious doubt in the coach and management of the team. We are one of only a few clubs with money to burn

Think afew teams will have money to burn .....Brisbane , Dragons , Us , Roosters , possibly Knights ....

 

[Tim Sheens]

I’m not giving up on tommy yet he’s only 21 just needs to cut out the errors he definitely has some strength and skills

Me neither, even though not so pleased with things like his putting his head down after a mistake from a kick etcetera, but he can grow in these areas.

Still, I don't blame him for such as dropping the ball under pressure after putting up his hand to steam onto it for the hard run when Kaufusi was allowed to lay in the ruck disrupting play.

Dropped ball or not, he took the run that needed to be taken and probably has as good or better try scoring ratio amongst most of his peers. Our WT need to keep our young players that are willing to take those runs into the teeth of a set defence and rid ourselves of those that aren't.