Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[boonboon]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

 

[tigerap]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

 

[tigerballs]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

And what message does that send to the players?

I don’t particularly care, I just want to win games.


And fans wonder why good players choose to play at teams with other quality players.

Poor attitude or not, you can’t turn over a roster endlessly until you find one the coach can work with. I think our players have a horrible attitude and I’m not defending them, but they’re all going backwards under our coach.

Compare our best players to the best players in the teams that are in the top 6 and there is your reality check - we are around where we should be be. We have some young talent that have not gone backwards under Maguire - inconsistent yes - which is pretty consistent with all young players especially those in struggling teams. Your frustration in losing will not change the reality of the vast difference in the talent between the top 6 sides and the rest.
If we don't effect true change - sack Maguire or not - the perception remains and we will keep picking from the scraps.

I disagree. Our roster is better than it was when Maguire arrived yet our on field performance has steadily gone backwards.

I said this before - if it's a better roster, why isn't it doing better? The coach hasn't changed in the period you are describing. Why was Madge getting better results in his first season with what you think is a worse roster?

So maybe the coach got worse, or maybe he's doing worse with this specific roster, or an equally valid argument is the current roster isn't as good as you think.

It certainly is a young roster, I think the general lack of experience is half the problem when we talk about things like consistency, effort, not dropping your head, making up for errors, adapting to the play etc.

Pretty simple really, in his first year he hadn't gotten his poor game plans and antiquated coaching style inbedded in the squad.
They have gotten worse each year as he put his stamp on the squad.
Add to that his recruiting, and crash bang, we are where we are now, can't land a decent signing, can't string 3 wins together, can't get the team to turn up on an almost weekly occurrence.
He has had his chance, he needs punting, and now, begin the down votes from the rusted on lovers

An NRL premiership winning coach with poor game plans and an antiquated style as opposed to your up to the moment knowledge of the game, thereby your informed criticism should be considered by the board as the catalyst to sack the coach.

 

[tigerballs]

TPG is my first preference, then FB ,then a centre.

Hopefully, TPJ and Joffa were mates, I think Joffa’s experience has been good, he had got back into the SOO team from here?
So they would be talking and I do believe Madge will get the best out TPJ if he comes here as well?

I think this highlights one of the problems with Madge. He can improve a players individual performance, but he can't improve team performance or get them working as one unit.

He won a premiership

 

[Telltails]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

Yes - when Ivan lost his star players two losses against lower sides. Good players make good coaches.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

 

[TillLindemann]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

Nathan has been with dad for a considerable period of time. If your suggesting his coaching had little influence on his development, I'd find it very hard to believe. In fact, I wouldn't believe it.

The other question, why didn't Maguire walk into that dream job? the answer is why we are going backwards and languishing near the tail of the table.

 

[TillLindemann]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

Nathan has been with dad for a considerable period of time. If your suggesting his coaching had little influence on his development, I'd find it very hard to believe. In fact, I wouldn't believe it.

Oh yes I'm sure he was a big influence on Nathan as a developing kid - but as a professional coach he doesn't have Nathan playing any better than his predecessor did.

 

[tigerballs]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

Nathan has been with dad for a considerable period of time. If your suggesting his coaching had little influence on his development, I'd find it very hard to believe. In fact, I wouldn't believe it.

The other question, why didn't Maguire walk into that dream job? the answer is why we are going backwards and languishing near the tail of the table.

That's a stupid question and an even more stupid answer. It doesn't even make sense.

 

[TigerWest]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

Nathan has been with dad for a considerable period of time. If your suggesting his coaching had little influence on his development, I'd find it very hard to believe. In fact, I wouldn't believe it.

The other question, why didn't Maguire walk into that dream job? the answer is why we are going backwards and languishing near the tail of the table.

That's a stupid question and an even more stupid answer. It doesn't even make sense.

Nothing much does with his logic.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

Nathan has been with dad for a considerable period of time. If your suggesting his coaching had little influence on his development, I'd find it very hard to believe. In fact, I wouldn't believe it.

The other question, why didn't Maguire walk into that dream job? the answer is why we are going backwards and languishing near the tail of the table.

That's a stupid question and an even more stupid answer. It doesn't even make sense.

Cleary and his team are at the top. His son is also the best player in RL,

 

[the_third]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

they have played together for years, while Cleary was in the wilderness, and under other coaches and systems. He had little to do with the success, even his son credited Barret for his improvement. there are quotes you can look up yourself on that.

His continued faith his son's best mate shows his true colours. If they don't win this year (long shot, but Bellamy will give it a good crack), he (according to mates at Penrith) will have almost lost his premiership window. Cementing him as one of the all time worst coaches

I believe you are very much overselling Cleary's coaching ability

 

[Guest]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

Nathan has been with dad for a considerable period of time. If your suggesting his coaching had little influence on his development, I'd find it very hard to believe. In fact, I wouldn't believe it.

Oh yes I'm sure he was a big influence on Nathan as a developing kid - but as a professional coach he doesn't have Nathan playing any better than his predecessor did.

Can't agree with that.
Young Cleary is now the best player in the game.
He was very very good before dad came on the scene, but he's at another level now.
I hate dad Cleary as much as the next Wests supporter but truth is truth.

 

[finnzo]

Was really hopeful of some signing news This week with the by but I guess not

 

[851]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

And what message does that send to the players?

I don’t particularly care, I just want to win games.


And fans wonder why good players choose to play at teams with other quality players.

Poor attitude or not, you can’t turn over a roster endlessly until you find one the coach can work with. I think our players have a horrible attitude and I’m not defending them, but they’re all going backwards under our coach.

Compare our best players to the best players in the teams that are in the top 6 and there is your reality check - we are around where we should be be. We have some young talent that have not gone backwards under Maguire - inconsistent yes - which is pretty consistent with all young players especially those in struggling teams. Your frustration in losing will not change the reality of the vast difference in the talent between the top 6 sides and the rest.
If we don't effect true change - sack Maguire or not - the perception remains and we will keep picking from the scraps.

I disagree. Our roster is better than it was when Maguire arrived yet our on field performance has steadily gone backwards.

I said this before - if it's a better roster, why isn't it doing better? The coach hasn't changed in the period you are describing. Why was Madge getting better results in his first season with what you think is a worse roster?

So maybe the coach got worse, or maybe he's doing worse with this specific roster, or an equally valid argument is the current roster isn't as good as you think.

It certainly is a young roster, I think the general lack of experience is half the problem when we talk about things like consistency, effort, not dropping your head, making up for errors, adapting to the play etc.

Pretty simple really, in his first year he hadn't gotten his poor game plans and antiquated coaching style inbedded in the squad.
They have gotten worse each year as he put his stamp on the squad.
Add to that his recruiting, and crash bang, we are where we are now, can't land a decent signing, can't string 3 wins together, can't get the team to turn up on an almost weekly occurrence.
He has had his chance, he needs punting, and now, begin the down votes from the rusted on lovers

An NRL premiership winning coach with poor game plans and an antiquated style as opposed to your up to the moment knowledge of the game, thereby your informed criticism should be considered by the board as the catalyst to sack the coach.

The game has changed a heap since he won in 2014, check out his results for the star studded souths team after the premiership glory before taking a shot at me mate.

 

[851]

TPG is my first preference, then FB ,then a centre.

Hopefully, TPJ and Joffa were mates, I think Joffa’s experience has been good, he had got back into the SOO team from here?
So they would be talking and I do believe Madge will get the best out TPJ if he comes here as well?

I think this highlights one of the problems with Madge. He can improve a players individual performance, but he can't improve team performance or get them working as one unit.

He won a premiership

You keep hanging your hat on that, things change, unlike your love for Madge, Paul Green say's hi, and he won after Madge

 

[851]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

You are wasting your time, this guy loves his Madge

 

[WT2K]

Lot of words that should've been in the Madge thread /end rant

 

[Cairnstigers]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

Pretty short sighted.

3 years or worse being performances. He’s had his chance and failed. Need to turn it around, he hasn’t got the ability to do it.

Once Mbyes Packers and all of Reynolds money is available and spent, then we can start to apply more blame to Madge
That is still alot of cap he will be able to spend
About $1'600'000 on two players doing bugger all
That could buy TPJ and Finucane and we would still have change
Those two would make a big difference to our team
So let's give him till mid next year to spend the money and see who we end up with
The next two signings are crucial to his future at our club
If we don't have success then I am sure he will be gone

Would they make a difference? Or would they perform the same as others that have joined.

Time will tell with future new signings