Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[avocadoontoast]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

And what message does that send to the players?

I don’t particularly care, I just want to win games.

I hope you dont say "I dont particularly care" :astonished: when you have a blue with your Mrs.

Luke Lewis just said on ABC radio "Wests Tigers need players with a winning mentality".

Wests Tigers need supporters with a genuine winning mentality... not a "I dont care mentality".

I hardly think you’re in any position to tell me what sort of supporter I am.

Are you in a qualified position to say definitively Madge is a bad coach, or is it only your personal opinion?

I’m as qualified to say he’s a bad coach as you are to say he’s a good one.

I’m not sure if you’re aware, but this is a forum to provide opinions and discuss things. I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve ever said on here, but I’ve not told you to stop posting have I?

If you’re looking for only positive news just stick to the Wests Tigers website.

Dont talk down to me by saying something childish like " I'm not sure if you are aware".
You have every rite to "disagree with pretty much everything you've [I have] ever said on here".
After all "this is a forum to provide opinions and discuss things".
But after this post it seems like you can't handle anyone who has a different opinion to 'yours', so you get very defensive and stroppy.
Grow UP.

Huh? You are the most defensive, passive aggressive person on here. Anytime anyone mentions anything remotely negative about the coach (or god forbid your beloved Magpies) you get your knickers in a twist.

 

[TigerWest]

Have we signed TPJ yet?

Ben Ikin starts at the Donkeys tomorrow. Could that put the kibosh on the whole thing...?

I think they are still having a cleanout, so probably wont be an issue?

 

[rihannafan1]

Hooper saying on triple m tigers should sign finucane asap on 4 year deal. The guy is busted. TPJ is what we need. Dale at 30 will be a disaster for us on a 4 yr deal. Why are melb letting him go. No doubt we need someone tough and a leader but let's be patient. We need to let go of some dead wood 1st. Like mbye. Brooks. Packer etc.

https://twitter.com/TripleM_NRL/status/1409003560726056962?s=19

4 years definitely too long. Make it 3 years max with the final year a club or mutual option

See this is the problem with Hooper - he has no idea and can't see beyond today.

The weakest of what was already a weak group of reporters analyzing the game.

 

[DGilly]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

Pretty short sighted.

3 years or worse being performances. He’s had his chance and failed. Need to turn it around, he hasn’t got the ability to do it.

Once Mbyes Packers and all of Reynolds money is available and spent, then we can start to apply more blame to Madge
That is still alot of cap he will be able to spend
About $1'600'000 on two players doing bugger all
That could buy TPJ and Finucane and we would still have change
Those two would make a big difference to our team
So let's give him till mid next year to spend the money and see who we end up with
The next two signings are crucial to his future at our club
If we don't have success then I am sure he will be gone

100% this.

Packer and Reynolds absolutely destroyed our cap.

Imagine if we didn't have them, and where we could have been by now.

This year we've already seen that cleary is completely incapable of developing juniors . Why anyone on this forum still talks highly of 'the bus' absolutely baffles me. The guys a myth

Incapable of developing juniors? like To'o? Or Luai? Or Burton?

Yeo, Fisher-Harris etc. were all average first graders before him. I hate Ivan as much as anyone but c'mon man

Do you honestly think cleary developed them? That had Gus Gould's fingerprints all over it. Cleary walked into an absolutely stacked team.

They sacked clearly because despite their skill they were a rabble. They bought in hook to develop the nursery and make some tough decisions around player retention and them used him as a fall guy and bought back cleary for some feel goods and to screw over an opposition team.

Our so called reserve graders dominated Penrith's b squad. That says cleary can't develop. I never said he can't coach, but he has absolutely 0 ability to develop juniors

How's that for a c'mon?

Oh so Gus developed them? Coach Gus? You mean the guy who never had a coaching role and left years ago? And Penriths full strength team would have flogged us, who are you kidding?

 

[DGilly]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

Pretty short sighted.

3 years or worse being performances. He’s had his chance and failed. Need to turn it around, he hasn’t got the ability to do it.

Once Mbyes Packers and all of Reynolds money is available and spent, then we can start to apply more blame to Madge
That is still alot of cap he will be able to spend
About $1'600'000 on two players doing bugger all
That could buy TPJ and Finucane and we would still have change
Those two would make a big difference to our team
So let's give him till mid next year to spend the money and see who we end up with
The next two signings are crucial to his future at our club
If we don't have success then I am sure he will be gone

100% this.

Packer and Reynolds absolutely destroyed our cap.

Imagine if we didn't have them, and where we could have been by now.

This year we've already seen that cleary is completely incapable of developing juniors . Why anyone on this forum still talks highly of 'the bus' absolutely baffles me. The guys a myth

Incapable of developing juniors? like To'o? Or Luai? Or Burton?

Yeo, Fisher-Harris etc. were all average first graders before him. I hate Ivan as much as anyone but c'mon man

Do you honestly think cleary developed them? That had Gus Gould's fingerprints all over it. Cleary walked into an absolutely stacked team.

They sacked clearly because despite their skill they were a rabble. They bought in hook to develop the nursery and make some tough decisions around player retention and them used him as a fall guy and bought back cleary for some feel goods and to screw over an opposition team.

Our so called reserve graders dominated Penrith's b squad. That says cleary can't develop. I never said he can't coach, but he has absolutely 0 ability to develop juniors

How's that for a c'mon?

Also Luai had played 4 games when Cleary took over. Crichton, Burton, To'o etc. weren't even in the Panthers first grade squad back then. Fair to say they've been developed pretty well since then.

Us beating them with 8 players out does not prove Cleary can't develop that has literally nothing to do with it.

 

[JC99]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

Pretty short sighted.

3 years or worse being performances. He’s had his chance and failed. Need to turn it around, he hasn’t got the ability to do it.

Once Mbyes Packers and all of Reynolds money is available and spent, then we can start to apply more blame to Madge
That is still alot of cap he will be able to spend
About $1'600'000 on two players doing bugger all
That could buy TPJ and Finucane and we would still have change
Those two would make a big difference to our team
So let's give him till mid next year to spend the money and see who we end up with
The next two signings are crucial to his future at our club
If we don't have success then I am sure he will be gone

100% this.

Packer and Reynolds absolutely destroyed our cap.

Imagine if we didn't have them, and where we could have been by now.

This year we've already seen that cleary is completely incapable of developing juniors . Why anyone on this forum still talks highly of 'the bus' absolutely baffles me. The guys a myth

Incapable of developing juniors? like To'o? Or Luai? Or Burton?

Yeo, Fisher-Harris etc. were all average first graders before him. I hate Ivan as much as anyone but c'mon man

Do you honestly think cleary developed them? That had Gus Gould's fingerprints all over it. Cleary walked into an absolutely stacked team.

They sacked clearly because despite their skill they were a rabble. They bought in hook to develop the nursery and make some tough decisions around player retention and them used him as a fall guy and bought back cleary for some feel goods and to screw over an opposition team.

Our so called reserve graders dominated Penrith's b squad. That says cleary can't develop. I never said he can't coach, but he has absolutely 0 ability to develop juniors

How's that for a c'mon?

Also Luai had played 4 games when Cleary took over. Crichton, Burton, To'o etc. weren't even in the Panthers first grade squad back then. Fair to say they've been developed pretty well since then.

Us beating them with 8 players out does not prove Cleary can't develop that has literally nothing to do with it.

Yeah cleary does get some credit for getting rid of all the old blokes and debuting all the rookies but at the same time he had an ultra talented group of juniors to use. They literally hadn't lost a game in all of jersey Flegg and reserve grade or something stupid like that.

He's a good coach, not amazing but not a dud. He did nothing for us so who cares lol

 

[weststigerman]

Hooper saying on triple m tigers should sign finucane asap on 4 year deal. The guy is busted. TPJ is what we need. Dale at 30 will be a disaster for us on a 4 yr deal. Why are melb letting him go. No doubt we need someone tough and a leader but let's be patient. We need to let go of some dead wood 1st. Like mbye. Brooks. Packer etc.

https://twitter.com/TripleM_NRL/status/1409003560726056962?s=19

4 years definitely too long. Make it 3 years max with the final year a club or mutual option

I agree. Very keen on Finucane but not for 4 years. 2 years with a club option. I’d throw big money for the 2 years and hope that’s enough.

I don’t think anyone is silly enough to offer 4 years though.

 

[JC99]

Hooper saying on triple m tigers should sign finucane asap on 4 year deal. The guy is busted. TPJ is what we need. Dale at 30 will be a disaster for us on a 4 yr deal. Why are melb letting him go. No doubt we need someone tough and a leader but let's be patient. We need to let go of some dead wood 1st. Like mbye. Brooks. Packer etc.

https://twitter.com/TripleM_NRL/status/1409003560726056962?s=19

4 years definitely too long. Make it 3 years max with the final year a club or mutual option

I agree. Very keen on Finucane but not for 4 years. 2 years with a club option. I’d throw big money for the 2 years and hope that’s enough.

I don’t think anyone is silly enough to offer 4 years though.

We've been smarter with recruitment lately so hopefully we offer something reasonable

 

[BAGNF05]

Hooper saying on triple m tigers should sign finucane asap on 4 year deal. The guy is busted. TPJ is what we need. Dale at 30 will be a disaster for us on a 4 yr deal. Why are melb letting him go. No doubt we need someone tough and a leader but let's be patient. We need to let go of some dead wood 1st. Like mbye. Brooks. Packer etc.

https://twitter.com/TripleM_NRL/status/1409003560726056962?s=19

4 years definitely too long. Make it 3 years max with the final year a club or mutual option

I agree. Very keen on Finucane but not for 4 years. 2 years with a club option. I’d throw big money for the 2 years and hope that’s enough.

I don’t think anyone is silly enough to offer 4 years though.

I’d give him 2 years on way overs and then mostly incentive money in year 3 based around us playing finals in the 3 years.

 

[TigerWest]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-gorden-tallis-sprays-brisbane-broncos-players-kevin-walters-rebuild/news-story/91cd885b20ed6b090f72a69c401ae0a5?recommendedCount=0

**Kent and Tallis discussing the Bronc's**

Paul Kent countered Tallis’ argument by suggesting that Walters needed to get improvement out of the players he has and not just focus on bringing new players in.

However Tallis believes there are some players at the Broncos and in the NRL who are happy to just enough to get paid.

“Some guys can’t improve or don’t want to improve,” Tallis said.

“So they are sitting there on big money and they are getting paid every week and they don’t care.

**Sounds like us?**

 

[clontarfkid]

Rarely do I agree with Joey Johns,but Finucane has had 210 NRL games and is close to being finished
Weve learnt that lesson many times in the past decade...I wldnt go near him at this stage of his career

 

[jadtiger]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-gorden-tallis-sprays-brisbane-broncos-players-kevin-walters-rebuild/news-story/91cd885b20ed6b090f72a69c401ae0a5?recommendedCount=0

**Kent and Tallis discussing the Bronc's**

Paul Kent countered Tallis’ argument by suggesting that Walters needed to get improvement out of the players he has and not just focus on bringing new players in.

However Tallis believes there are some players at the Broncos and in the NRL who are happy to just enough to get paid.

“Some guys can’t improve or don’t want to improve,” Tallis said.

“So they are sitting there on big money and they are getting paid every week and they don’t care.

**Sounds like us?**

Most clubs have players who are there for pay days and little else,not just us

 

[BAGNF05]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-gorden-tallis-sprays-brisbane-broncos-players-kevin-walters-rebuild/news-story/91cd885b20ed6b090f72a69c401ae0a5?recommendedCount=0

**Kent and Tallis discussing the Bronc's**

Paul Kent countered Tallis’ argument by suggesting that Walters needed to get improvement out of the players he has and not just focus on bringing new players in.

However Tallis believes there are some players at the Broncos and in the NRL who are happy to just enough to get paid.

“Some guys can’t improve or don’t want to improve,” Tallis said.

“So they are sitting there on big money and they are getting paid every week and they don’t care.

**Sounds like us?**


Most clubs have players who are there for pay days and little else,not just us

Maybe the other terrible ones

 

[ATown]

Finucane on 4 years is so ridiculous it’s laughable. He’ll barely be able to walk in 4 years.

Please don’t get sucked into this “he would come in and change the whole culture” garbage. That’s why we signed Tamou isn’t it?

He’s a bloke at the back end of his career, with massive miles on the clock looking for superstar money. It’s absolutely ridiculous.

We need talent. Not another plodding middle forward looking for a retirement home. We’ve done this so many times. We need to learn from our past mistakes.

 

[JC99]

Finucane on 4 years is so ridiculous it’s laughable. He’ll barely be able to walk in 4 years.

Please don’t get sucked into this “he would come in and change the whole culture” garbage. That’s why we signed Tamou isn’t it?

He’s a bloke at the back end of his career, with massive miles on the clock looking for superstar money. It’s absolutely ridiculous.

We need talent. Not another plodding middle forward looking for a retirement home. We’ve done this so many times. We need to learn from our past mistakes.

We need talent but we also need more leadership, they've got no idea how to handle adversity. For the right price and contract length he would be good for us, he's still playing very well at the moment.

 

[Russell]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

The thing about Australian school boys is they look really good.. against school boys.

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom , but talent is talent . Just because they never develop the physicality , and mentality doesn’t mean you don’t target the elite juniors .
And we have them in the club . They’re here . So this garbage about not having talent is just that . Garbage . We have to figure out how to get that talent to translate .

No doubt they are talented some of these young players, you don’t make a National team at any level without talent. But to go from elite junior to professional NRL player you need a few things - great mentors, the right attitude and a lot of luck. And that might get you a debut. I’ve watched first hand as many super talented juniors failed to crack NRL. I will continue to say it, until our systems are right and we have good senior players we are going to continue to see these young guys fall short of expectations. Craig Fitzgibbon was a dud junior who played on a wing, look what good systems did for him.

That’s my point . I think are agreeing here . The issue is the pathways , and development , not lack of talent . So when people say things like “we don’t have the talent that Melbourne do” . I call bull crap !!! We do so have the talent . We just as a club arnt nurturing them in a system that is not only conducive to them maximising thier talents individually, but from a fans perspective , maximising the Ws for the club .

You reckon that problem is across most clubs? They always talk about lack of talent when expansion comes up but I think it's more lack of development.

Yea I do mate . I think too many jobs for the boys , nepotism , in fighting in junior leagues (Wests are the absolute worst for this) , and most of all , IMO , we should have Balmain and Wests , when identified , playing together from a very young age . The fact Wests hate Balmain , and get “wests” legends in. ,and the same for balmain , is just dinosaur stuff .

The junior teams should all be Wests tigers for starters .
But it will never get agreed to , because Balmain and Wests hate each other , or some garbage like that . As if it’s 1975 .

One sg ball, matts team? Would they need to abandon one junior area?

No I don’t think so . I think that’s where the academy would come in . Identify them early have them train together and grow together . The issue is , which is a minor one really , there are no longer say 60 spots available for rep honours between the 2 districts , but rather 30 now . But that’s no different to every other club anyway .
We could bus in the kids from Balmain , like the roosters and manly do , to C-town ( yes C -town) where the academy should be . There should photos of benji and Robbie , Lawry , Ellis , sheens Galea , skando , Hodgson . Plastered everywhere . And a hallway with door , that only ever opens when you get called up to the show. Or some symbolic gesture , that you have graduated to concord .

No mention at all of Balmain , Wests , other than , maybe some museum like room that commemorates our history .
And it’s taught about , but never ever dwelled upon . It has to be about Wests tigers .

it also starts will wests tigers in Canterbury Cup too

I have zero problem with reserve grade being Wests Magpies.

Well I do, same as if they were called Balmain Tigers.

I am delusional obviously in thinking that we are Wests Tigers. Guess it is only when it suits us.

 

[BAGNF05]

Rarely do I agree with Joey Johns,but Finucane has had 210 NRL games and is close to being finished
Weve learnt that lesson many times in the past decade...I wldnt go near him at this stage of his career

He’s got 300 gamer written all over him. Tough as teak. That’s at least 3.5 more seasons and he’s not relying on speed or skill to be effective.

 

[JC99]

Rarely do I agree with Joey Johns,but Finucane has had 210 NRL games and is close to being finished
Weve learnt that lesson many times in the past decade...I wldnt go near him at this stage of his career

He’s got 300 gamer written all over him. Tough as teak. That’s at least 3.5 more seasons and he’s not relying on speed or skill to be effective.

Agreed, watching him play he's playing at a very good level still, he's not playing like someone who's slowing down at all. People need to stop just looking at his age and actually watch him play

 

[BAGNF05]

Rarely do I agree with Joey Johns,but Finucane has had 210 NRL games and is close to being finished
Weve learnt that lesson many times in the past decade...I wldnt go near him at this stage of his career

He’s got 300 gamer written all over him. Tough as teak. That’s at least 3.5 more seasons and he’s not relying on speed or skill to be effective.

Agreed, watching him play he's playing at a very good level still, he's not playing like someone who's slowing down at all. People need to stop just looking at his age and actually watch him play

He’s a defensive leader who made us look silly in attack last week. Too many people just burned by our past failures. In the past we have got what we bargained for.

Russell Packer had a chequered past and played a season of reserve grade not long before we signed him.

We signed Matt Ballin with an injury

Josh Reynolds was an erratic player at Canterbury whose game was always effort rather than skill

Moses Mbye a utility at Canterbury

Anasta was slowing down right throughout his career and we tried to manufacture a half when he had been a back rower previously

So what’s Dale Finucane? Not many deficiencies in my mind. A premier? A captain? A leader?

Just sign the bloke.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

The thing about Australian school boys is they look really good.. against school boys.

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom , but talent is talent . Just because they never develop the physicality , and mentality doesn’t mean you don’t target the elite juniors .
And we have them in the club . They’re here . So this garbage about not having talent is just that . Garbage . We have to figure out how to get that talent to translate .

No doubt they are talented some of these young players, you don’t make a National team at any level without talent. But to go from elite junior to professional NRL player you need a few things - great mentors, the right attitude and a lot of luck. And that might get you a debut. I’ve watched first hand as many super talented juniors failed to crack NRL. I will continue to say it, until our systems are right and we have good senior players we are going to continue to see these young guys fall short of expectations. Craig Fitzgibbon was a dud junior who played on a wing, look what good systems did for him.

That’s my point . I think are agreeing here . The issue is the pathways , and development , not lack of talent . So when people say things like “we don’t have the talent that Melbourne do” . I call bull crap !!! We do so have the talent . We just as a club arnt nurturing them in a system that is not only conducive to them maximising thier talents individually, but from a fans perspective , maximising the Ws for the club .

You reckon that problem is across most clubs? They always talk about lack of talent when expansion comes up but I think it's more lack of development.

Yea I do mate . I think too many jobs for the boys , nepotism , in fighting in junior leagues (Wests are the absolute worst for this) , and most of all , IMO , we should have Balmain and Wests , when identified , playing together from a very young age . The fact Wests hate Balmain , and get “wests” legends in. ,and the same for balmain , is just dinosaur stuff .

The junior teams should all be Wests tigers for starters .
But it will never get agreed to , because Balmain and Wests hate each other , or some garbage like that . As if it’s 1975 .

One sg ball, matts team? Would they need to abandon one junior area?

No I don’t think so . I think that’s where the academy would come in . Identify them early have them train together and grow together . The issue is , which is a minor one really , there are no longer say 60 spots available for rep honours between the 2 districts , but rather 30 now . But that’s no different to every other club anyway .
We could bus in the kids from Balmain , like the roosters and manly do , to C-town ( yes C -town) where the academy should be . There should photos of benji and Robbie , Lawry , Ellis , sheens Galea , skando , Hodgson . Plastered everywhere . And a hallway with door , that only ever opens when you get called up to the show. Or some symbolic gesture , that you have graduated to concord .

No mention at all of Balmain , Wests , other than , maybe some museum like room that commemorates our history .
And it’s taught about , but never ever dwelled upon . It has to be about Wests tigers .

it also starts will wests tigers in Canterbury Cup too

I have zero problem with reserve grade being Wests Magpies.

Well I do, same as if they were called Balmain Tigers.

I am delusional obviously in thinking that we are Wests Tigers. Guess it is only when it suits us.

we don't agree on much Russ but totally agree on this point