Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TillLindemann]

Any further word on Innes Senior, the big English winger/centre? Not so fussed on his brother, but Innes would be a good pick up.

This isn't meant to be bagging your suggestion at all but if our recruitment is centred around signing backs playing in the super league we are well and truly rogered.

All good, I understand that most on here are less keen than me on English signings, especially backs.
But I think that it is a good approach to look there, as even if the ESL is generally below the NRL, is still produces stars as we see with the likes of Burgess, Graham and our Ellis. And I think if you are prepared to move to the other side of the world, for equal or lesser pay, to test yourself in the NRL it already means you have the right attitude. In other words, there might be a few Poms who come over and fail due to not being good enough, but there won't be many who come over and fail because they're too lazy and more interested in opporto.

My view is that English forwards are really good, and i'd be very keen to pick up a few back rowers and middles from there. But their backs have a terrible record here. Ryan Hall is leading try scorer over in the ESL this year and scored zero tries in 2 years here. Sam Tompkins failed badly and so did Zak Hardaker. These are three of the top backs over in the ESL and they were all badly outclassed in the NRL.

I think Ryan Hall would have killed it if he came over here in his early to mid 20s. He always matched it with Aussies and Kiwis in international matches. He was I think 32 when he joined the Roosters, and was nowhere near as fast as he used to be.

I guess my point is he couldn't score a try here in two years and he's gone back as a 33 year old and is leading try scorer. I think our backs are vastly superior to theirs.

Didn't realise he was leading try score this year, you checkmated me!

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

Leaving a badly injured player on the field is not acceptable. To try to even equate that to the wrongdoings of Flanagan as a coach isn't acceptable either.

Neither are acceptable.

They are not equatible either, so stop pretending that they are.

According to you? I needed a laugh for today.

Not as funny as one player playing with a knee injury being compared to multiple years of cap cheating, and administering a doping programme.

I'd love to know what Madge did to facilitate the type of mental gymnastics you're employing.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. 2016 David Morrison Australian of the year.

My standards are different to yours.

Yes, your standards are different to mine, they're double standards.

You've advocated for one of the players who played under him during the doping scandal to be our coach after he was sacked for another unproven first grade coach.

Standards indeed.

Guilt by association. That is a particularly high bar. Your benchmark no doubt.

Can you please provide the link to where he was one of the players or officials punished?

Morris also played under Tim Sheens.

 

[tigerballs]

Carayannis reporting Vaughan to the Dogs done.

@hobbo1 told me a week ago ?‍♂️

Surely they are close to cap been full now... If not I want there salary cap guy on our books

Cap full and no decent 9..
Average fullback (dufty) unless they're going the untried JAC.

Not a very well rounded or complete roster IMO.
Definitely signed some good players though.

Just lacking that class a top 4 team displays.

How do you think we'd go next year if we managed to sign Heilum Luki from the cowboys, Smith Shields and the Senior twins from the UK? I'd say we'd be looking top 6. Minimum.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

Leaving a badly injured player on the field is not acceptable. To try to even equate that to the wrongdoings of Flanagan as a coach isn't acceptable either.

Neither are acceptable.

They are not equatible either, so stop pretending that they are.

According to you? I needed a laugh for today.

Not as funny as one player playing with a knee injury being compared to multiple years of cap cheating, and administering a doping programme.

I'd love to know what Madge did to facilitate the type of mental gymnastics you're employing.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. 2016 David Morrison Australian of the year.

My standards are different to yours.

Yes, your standards are different to mine, they're double standards.

You've advocated for one of the players who played under him during the doping scandal to be our coach after he was sacked for another unproven first grade coach.

Standards indeed.

Guilt by association. That is a particularly high bar. Your benchmark no doubt.

Can you please provide the link to where he was one of the players or officials punished?

Morris also played under Tim Sheens.

Yeah played halfback here. All the more reason why Sheens should be kept away from coaching.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Any further word on Innes Senior, the big English winger/centre? Not so fussed on his brother, but Innes would be a good pick up.

This isn't meant to be bagging your suggestion at all but if our recruitment is centred around signing backs playing in the super league we are well and truly rogered.

All good, I understand that most on here are less keen than me on English signings, especially backs.
But I think that it is a good approach to look there, as even if the ESL is generally below the NRL, is still produces stars as we see with the likes of Burgess, Graham and our Ellis. And I think if you are prepared to move to the other side of the world, for equal or lesser pay, to test yourself in the NRL it already means you have the right attitude. In other words, there might be a few Poms who come over and fail due to not being good enough, but there won't be many who come over and fail because they're too lazy and more interested in opporto.

My view is that English forwards are really good, and i'd be very keen to pick up a few back rowers and middles from there. But their backs have a terrible record here. Ryan Hall is leading try scorer over in the ESL this year and scored zero tries in 2 years here. Sam Tompkins failed badly and so did Zak Hardaker. These are three of the top backs over in the ESL and they were all badly outclassed in the NRL.

I think Ryan Hall would have killed it if he came over here in his early to mid 20s. He always matched it with Aussies and Kiwis in international matches. He was I think 32 when he joined the Roosters, and was nowhere near as fast as he used to be.

I guess my point is he couldn't score a try here in two years and he's gone back as a 33 year old and is leading try scorer. I think our backs are vastly superior to theirs.

Didn't realise he was leading try score this year, you checkmated me!

I was surprised myself!

 

[hobbo1]


Apologies in my inbox thanks
@Demps

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

Leaving a badly injured player on the field is not acceptable. To try to even equate that to the wrongdoings of Flanagan as a coach isn't acceptable either.

Neither are acceptable.

They are not equatible either, so stop pretending that they are.

According to you? I needed a laugh for today.

Not as funny as one player playing with a knee injury being compared to multiple years of cap cheating, and administering a doping programme.

I'd love to know what Madge did to facilitate the type of mental gymnastics you're employing.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. 2016 David Morrison Australian of the year.

My standards are different to yours.

Yes, your standards are different to mine, they're double standards.

You've advocated for one of the players who played under him during the doping scandal to be our coach after he was sacked for another unproven first grade coach.

Standards indeed.

Guilt by association. That is a particularly high bar. Your benchmark no doubt.

Can you please provide the link to where he was one of the players or officials punished?

Morris also played under Tim Sheens.

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/4226918/final-doping-penalties-for-sharks/

Article says he accepted the ban. Guilty by his own admission, not association.

Womp womp.

 

[jirskyr]

I note at the time the decision to leave Inglis on the field was compared to the swift action of Bellamy to remove Jess Bromwich from the field after he badly injured his hand. Again I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions on the issue.

I'm sorry, on this one you've completely lost your mind. Comparing a systematic drug, salary cap and ban cheat with the odd injured player. An injured player in no way being consistently applied to Maguire as a coach, or independent of the actions of any other prominent coach.

You point out Craig Bellamy removing Jesse Bromwich, what about Cam Smith playing last year's GF with broken ribs? After he had already spent the previous 2 months taking painkillers for a chronic shoulder injury.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2020-cameron-smith-rib-injury-melbourne-storm-vs-penrith-panthers-grand-final/news-story/07bedde4b11e727cd06f4fb83d89b163

Trent Robinson knowingly played Cooper Cronk with a broken scapula, what the club doctor described as an injury more common to vehicular accidents. Borderlining the amount of anaesthetic they could safely administer.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/10/01/how-cooper-cronk-overcame-car-crash-injury-to-win-a-grand-final/
>"Robbo (Roosters coach Trent Robinson) was really calm, he was saying 'If it's negative news I don't want to hear about it, you just have to give him every minute'," Ibrahim said.
>"That fracture is what you see with motorbike accidents and car accidents. It was the width of his scapula – the entire width. Which would have been 15cm. We cut the jersey off at half-time.
>The other thing to note is that it was the maximum dose we could give him. Anything more and it starts playing with your heart. If you give someone too much local anaesthetic their heart goes into a funny rhythm. We gave him 20ml before the match and 15ml at half-time. The maximum we could give him was 45mL.

Tim Sheens knowingly played Pat Richards in the 2005 decider with ankle ligament injuries - couldn't even finish the match.

Brett Morris played that match in Origin 2014 with a broken shoulder, permitted by coach Laurie Daley.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/brett-morris-bravely-played-most-of-state-of-origin-match-with-broken-shoulder-20140530-zrt6c.html

Wayne Bennett named Shane Webcke to START in the 2000 Grand Final despite having a broken arm.
https://www.broncos.com.au/news/2020/04/21/webcke-named-for-grand-final-despite-broken-arm/

Newcastle coach Malcolm Reilly named Andrew Johns in the 1997 decider after he had punctured his lung and broken two ribs in the prior 2 weeks.

Ricky Stuart named Chris Flannery in the 2004 Grand Final side, despite having ruptured a testicle the week prior.

So don't give us this nonsense rubbish that Madge is somehow different or uniquely dismissive of player welfare when I can so easily list off the most famous, most decorated coaches not just leaving injured players on the field, but knowingly naming them to play despite very significant existing injury and risk. Absolute baloney.

 

[jrtiger]

Carayannis reporting Vaughan to the Dogs done.

@hobbo1 told me a week ago ?‍♂️

Surely they are close to cap been full now... If not I want there salary cap guy on our books

Cap full and no decent 9..
Average fullback (dufty) unless they're going the untried JAC.

Not a very well rounded or complete roster IMO.
Definitely signed some good players though.

Just lacking that class a top 4 team displays.

How do you think we'd go next year if we managed to sign Heilum Luki from the cowboys, Smith Shields and the Senior twins from the UK? I'd say we'd be looking top 6. Minimum.

love your positivity mate, but I'm unsure on that. if anything it depends on Madge's selections. hypothetically, if we start HSS in the centres, Kepaoa on the other (he's the only centre we have that can defend in that position), start Luki and Blore and move Leilua to the bench as an impact player then we'll see some improvement, sure, but I'm not sure if we become a top 6 side.

 

[pawsandclaws1]


Apologies in my inbox thanks
@Demps

He was just on 9 announcing his 1 year deal to the Dogs.

He advised that he was keen on community work. My first thought was a community get together barbeque at Padstow.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Carayannis reporting Vaughan to the Dogs done.

@hobbo1 told me a week ago ?‍♂️

Surely they are close to cap been full now... If not I want there salary cap guy on our books

Cap full and no decent 9..
Average fullback (dufty) unless they're going the untried JAC.

Not a very well rounded or complete roster IMO.
Definitely signed some good players though.

Just lacking that class a top 4 team displays.

How do you think we'd go next year if we managed to sign Heilum Luki from the cowboys, Smith Shields and the Senior twins from the UK? I'd say we'd be looking top 6. Minimum.

Do you mean top 6 in missed tackles?

 

[hobbo1]


Apologies in my inbox thanks
@Demps

He was just on 9 announcing his 1 year deal to the Dogs.

He advised that he was keen on community work. My first thought was a community get together barbeque at Padstow.

I’d go …be a blast ?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I note at the time the decision to leave Inglis on the field was compared to the swift action of Bellamy to remove Jess Bromwich from the field after he badly injured his hand. Again I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions on the issue.

I'm sorry, on this one you've completely lost your mind. Comparing a systematic drug, salary cap and ban cheat with the odd injured player. An injured player in no way being consistently applied to Maguire as a coach, or independent of the actions of any other prominent coach.

You point out Craig Bellamy removing Jesse Bromwich, what about Cam Smith playing last year's GF with broken ribs? After he had already spent the previous 2 months taking painkillers for a chronic shoulder injury.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2020-cameron-smith-rib-injury-melbourne-storm-vs-penrith-panthers-grand-final/news-story/07bedde4b11e727cd06f4fb83d89b163

Trent Robinson knowingly played Cooper Cronk with a broken scapula, what the club doctor described as an injury more common to vehicular accidents. Borderlining the amount of anaesthetic they could safely administer.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/10/01/how-cooper-cronk-overcame-car-crash-injury-to-win-a-grand-final/
>"Robbo (Roosters coach Trent Robinson) was really calm, he was saying 'If it's negative news I don't want to hear about it, you just have to give him every minute'," Ibrahim said.
>"That fracture is what you see with motorbike accidents and car accidents. It was the width of his scapula – the entire width. Which would have been 15cm. We cut the jersey off at half-time.
>The other thing to note is that it was the maximum dose we could give him. Anything more and it starts playing with your heart. If you give someone too much local anaesthetic their heart goes into a funny rhythm. We gave him 20ml before the match and 15ml at half-time. The maximum we could give him was 45mL.

Tim Sheens knowingly played Pat Richards in the 2005 decider with ankle ligament injuries - couldn't even finish the match.

Brett Morris played that match in Origin 2014 with a broken shoulder, permitted by coach Laurie Daley.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/brett-morris-bravely-played-most-of-state-of-origin-match-with-broken-shoulder-20140530-zrt6c.html

Wayne Bennett named Shane Webcke to START in the 2000 Grand Final despite having a broken arm.
https://www.broncos.com.au/news/2020/04/21/webcke-named-for-grand-final-despite-broken-arm/

Newcastle coach Malcolm Reilly named Andrew Johns in the 1997 decider after he had punctured his lung and broken two ribs in the prior 2 weeks.

Ricky Stuart named Chris Flannery in the 2004 Grand Final side, despite having ruptured a testicle the week prior.

So don't give us this nonsense rubbish that Madge is somehow different or uniquely dismissive of player welfare when I can so easily list off the most famous, most decorated coaches not just leaving injured players on the field, but knowingly naming them to play despite very significant existing injury and risk. Absolute baloney.

Yes, but Paws doesn't have a set out against them mate. He'll have some half cocked explanation why it's OK for Sheens to do it.

 

[Demps]

Carayannis reporting Vaughan to the Dogs done.

@hobbo1 told me a week ago ?‍♂️

Surely they are close to cap been full now... If not I want there salary cap guy on our books

Cap full and no decent 9..
Average fullback (dufty) unless they're going the untried JAC.

Not a very well rounded or complete roster IMO.
Definitely signed some good players though.

Just lacking that class a top 4 team displays.

How do you think we'd go next year if we managed to sign Heilum Luki from the cowboys, Smith Shields and the Senior twins from the UK? I'd say we'd be looking top 6. Minimum.

They aren't big names but they've looked decent.

Improvement on current roster but I wouldn't getting my hopes up sadly.

 

[yeahcaz]

Carayannis reporting Vaughan to the Dogs done.

@hobbo1 told me a week ago ?‍♂️

Surely they are close to cap been full now... If not I want there salary cap guy on our books

Cap full and no decent 9..
Average fullback (dufty) unless they're going the untried JAC.

Not a very well rounded or complete roster IMO.
Definitely signed some good players though.

Just lacking that class a top 4 team displays.

How do you think we'd go next year if we managed to sign Heilum Luki from the cowboys, Smith Shields and the Senior twins from the UK? I'd say we'd be looking top 6. Minimum.

I’m so confused, is this not sarcasm ?

 

[TigerTone]

The Roosters have emerged as a busy outlet in the transfer market this week, with the signing of Copley set edge out interest in Manly duo Jorge Taufua and Tevita Funa. Robinson was also understood to be collecting a list of potential reinforcements for the remainder of the 2021 season, while is also facing the reality of losing forward Siosiua Taukeiaho to the Super League.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I note at the time the decision to leave Inglis on the field was compared to the swift action of Bellamy to remove Jess Bromwich from the field after he badly injured his hand. Again I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions on the issue.

I'm sorry, on this one you've completely lost your mind. Comparing a systematic drug, salary cap and ban cheat with the odd injured player. An injured player in no way being consistently applied to Maguire as a coach, or independent of the actions of any other prominent coach.

You point out Craig Bellamy removing Jesse Bromwich, what about Cam Smith playing last year's GF with broken ribs? After he had already spent the previous 2 months taking painkillers for a chronic shoulder injury.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2020-cameron-smith-rib-injury-melbourne-storm-vs-penrith-panthers-grand-final/news-story/07bedde4b11e727cd06f4fb83d89b163

Trent Robinson knowingly played Cooper Cronk with a broken scapula, what the club doctor described as an injury more common to vehicular accidents. Borderlining the amount of anaesthetic they could safely administer.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/10/01/how-cooper-cronk-overcame-car-crash-injury-to-win-a-grand-final/
>"Robbo (Roosters coach Trent Robinson) was really calm, he was saying 'If it's negative news I don't want to hear about it, you just have to give him every minute'," Ibrahim said.
>"That fracture is what you see with motorbike accidents and car accidents. It was the width of his scapula – the entire width. Which would have been 15cm. We cut the jersey off at half-time.
>The other thing to note is that it was the maximum dose we could give him. Anything more and it starts playing with your heart. If you give someone too much local anaesthetic their heart goes into a funny rhythm. We gave him 20ml before the match and 15ml at half-time. The maximum we could give him was 45mL.

Tim Sheens knowingly played Pat Richards in the 2005 decider with ankle ligament injuries - couldn't even finish the match.

Brett Morris played that match in Origin 2014 with a broken shoulder, permitted by coach Laurie Daley.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/brett-morris-bravely-played-most-of-state-of-origin-match-with-broken-shoulder-20140530-zrt6c.html

Wayne Bennett named Shane Webcke to START in the 2000 Grand Final despite having a broken arm.
https://www.broncos.com.au/news/2020/04/21/webcke-named-for-grand-final-despite-broken-arm/

Newcastle coach Malcolm Reilly named Andrew Johns in the 1997 decider after he had punctured his lung and broken two ribs in the prior 2 weeks.

Ricky Stuart named Chris Flannery in the 2004 Grand Final side, despite having ruptured a testicle the week prior.

So don't give us this nonsense rubbish that Madge is somehow different or uniquely dismissive of player welfare when I can so easily list off the most famous, most decorated coaches not just leaving injured players on the field, but knowingly naming them to play despite very significant existing injury and risk. Absolute baloney.

It reads like a banquet of roadkill doesn't it?

Your examples from history doesn't alter my opinion at all. You do recall my earlier comment about evolving community expectations and the image of rugby league and its impact on junior rugby league numbers? I'm surprised someone in your position with your knowledge of facts and figures for players would not be across this issue.

 

[Demps]

The Roosters have emerged as a busy outlet in the transfer market this week, with the signing of Copley set edge out interest in Manly duo Jorge Taufua and Tevita Funa. Robinson was also understood to be collecting a list of potential reinforcements for the remainder of the 2021 season, while is also facing the reality of losing forward Siosiua Taukeiaho to the Super League.

Poor signings.

 

[jirskyr]

It reads like a banquet of roadkill doesn’t it?
Your examples from history doesn’t alter my opinion at all. You do recall my earlier comment about evolving community expectations and the image of rugby league and its impact on junior rugby league numbers? I’m surprised someone in your position with your knowledge of facts and figures for players would not be across this issue.

I really don't know what your position is, so I don't know what to be across. I can only guess that you are criticising Madge for his player welfare record, but you are also criticising Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bennett, Trent Robinson etc. for the same issue. So most, approaching all NRL coaches have a negative history of leaving players injured on-field, or naming injured players.

In fact I reckon if I looked hard enough I could find an incident involving Flanagan or Bomber Morris playing someone injured too, to undermine whatever odd argument you are trying to make about changing the coach.

 

[sleeve]

English backs, David Bolton, Len killean. Ellery Hanly. were stars in the old Balmain side. To say there are not some quality backs in ENLAND, that would not make it here, is not realistic.