Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[bp_tiger]

so here we are again letting players go ( no matter what the cause ) and what will we get to replace this player, well there is nothing out there, all these so called clubs who were over the cap, are now buying players and we are the only fools left with no players to bring in, somethings just never change.

I don't think you comprehend the notion that Suli was a lost cause with the Tigers. Management did everything they possibly could to get him back on track and focused and he simply wasn't interested. Do you want to pay a bloke 460k per year to sit on his backside and gain weight, not put in and string the club along while everyone else does the right thing - puts in the hard yards and shows the club the respect it deserves?

Letting Suli go was the only course of action the Tigers could take.

sometimes i think u people on here dont read what is written, all u look for is a why to criticize. i have no problem with what we done all i was saying it keeps happening to us. and that teams under salary cap pressure then snap our players up, is that so wrong to say that.

 

[magpiecol]

so here we are again letting players go ( no matter what the cause ) and what will we get to replace this player, well there is nothing out there, all these so called clubs who were over the cap, are now buying players and we are the only fools left with no players to bring in, somethings just never change.

I don't think you comprehend the notion that Suli was a lost cause with the Tigers. Management did everything they possibly could to get him back on track and focused and he simply wasn't interested. Do you want to pay a bloke 460k per year to sit on his backside and gain weight, not put in and string the club along while everyone else does the right thing - puts in the hard yards and shows the club the respect it deserves?

Letting Suli go was the only course of action the Tigers could take.

sometimes i think u people on here dont read what is written, all u look for is a why to criticize. i have no problem with what we done all i was saying it keeps happening to us. and that teams under salary cap pressure then snap our players up, is that so wrong to say that.

What language are you using?

 

[Tigerdon]

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So why not buy a couple of $1m players right now on 4 year deals, back-end their contracts significantly, and keep doing it. Where's the downside?

I thought the NRL abolished back ended contracts?

I don't know, if so, how recently? Some rumours say the Dogs put Suli on one. Some of their current players are reportedly on them.

Assuming the cap may go up in future years, paying the player a little more each year makes sense as though their nominal price is increasing, one could be trying to ensure that the percentage of the cap that that player fills up remains constant. So back-ending (on a small scale) could make sense in that mindset.

But personally I think yes if they haven't, they should abolish large back-ended contracts. It's just dodgy as clubs try to get out of it in the end.

Where the salary cap goes up year on year, you'd imagine that as long as the salary increases commensurate with the cap increase (i.e. if the cap goes up 10% year on year, well their salary could be upped by no more than 10%.)

I'd also wager if the backended contracts we terminated, any pre-existing registered contracts would have to be honoured.

did Benji, Robbie, Lawrence have back-ended contracts at one stage with the WT's.
I don't remember back-ended contracts working out well for the WetsTigers previously. when a players form starts to drop and their salary increases things start getting messy. Words like basket-cases get bantered around.

 

[Tigerdon]

According to NRL rules every club must have 29 players signed by Mar 1 and 30 by Jun 1\. As we have 28 currently, means an additional signing is on the cards by Mar 1

Of course they can just upgrade a player from a lower tier onto a basic NRL contract. My guess it will be another journeyman who is way down the pecking order at another club. Time will tell, but I do not hear any whispers of anything in the pipeline, although they kept the Suli thing pretty quite

so we have 26 days to either promote someone like Heath Gibbs up to the Top30 or sign a outside back.

 

[coivtny]

According to NRL rules every club must have 29 players signed by Mar 1 and 30 by Jun 1\. As we have 28 currently, means an additional signing is on the cards by Mar 1

I'm guessing but I'd imagine there would have to be some latitude on these deadlines. WT allowing Suli to move on so close to the Mar 1 deadline was largely unexpected and it would be unreasonable to expect them to complete another signing in one month. They may be allowed to move a player up from outside the top 30 or the development squad to meet the deadline and then move them back down when the 'right' player comes along.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

According to NRL rules every club must have 29 players signed by Mar 1 and 30 by Jun 1\. As we have 28 currently, means an additional signing is on the cards by Mar 1

I'm guessing but I'd imagine there would have to be some latitude on these deadlines. WT allowing Suli to move on so close to the Mar 1 deadline was largely unexpected and it would be unreasonable to expect them to complete another signing in one month. They may be allowed to move a player up from outside the top 30 or the development squad to meet the deadline and then move them back down when the 'right' player comes along.

I'd be surprised if the Club hasn't planned a replacement especially since Suli's departure could be foreseen prior to the end of last year.

 

[Geo]

Tanne Milne…?

I'll add we signed Lolohea, Watene-Zelezniak mid season then signed Fonua, Thompson, Milne retained Naiqama and put Marsters on a trim down program in the off-season..we only lost Tedesco and now Suli in the outside backs..

The NRL top 30 player need not necessarily be a centre/outside back..

 

[Sunnycoast_tiger]

Tanne Milne…?

I'll add we signed Lolohea, Watene-Zelezniak mid season then signed Fonua, Thompson, Milne retained Naiqama and put Marsters on a trim down program in the off-season..we only lost Tedesco and now Suli in the outside backs..

The NRL top 30 player need not necessarily be a centre/outside back..

What about player 29? Heath Gibbs?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Tanne Milne…?

I'll add we signed Lolohea, Watene-Zelezniak mid season then signed Fonua, Thompson, Milne retained Naiqama and put Marsters on a trim down program in the off-season..we only lost Tedesco and now Suli in the outside backs..

The NRL top 30 player need not necessarily be a centre/outside back..

What about player 29? Heath Gibbs?

The first consideration is that he has to be upgraded to the minimum contract amount, which I thought was around the $120k mark and little doubt a lot more than his development player one.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

We will upgrade Bailey for sure

 

[momo_amp_medo]

According to NRL rules every club must have 29 players signed by Mar 1 and 30 by Jun 1\. As we have 28 currently, means an additional signing is on the cards by Mar 1

Of course they can just upgrade a player from a lower tier onto a basic NRL contract. My guess it will be another journeyman who is way down the pecking order at another club. Time will tell, but I do not hear any whispers of anything in the pipeline, although they kept the Suli thing pretty quite

so we have 26 days to either promote someone like Heath Gibbs up to the Top30 or sign a outside back.

For me …... that would be disappointing outcome.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

We will upgrade Bailey for sure

To get him ready for Manly’s Next years signing.

 

[Geo]

We will upgrade Bailey for sure

*Bayley

 

[Balmainian]

I had a scary thought last night whilst thinking about Suli going to the Bulldogs. It was that clubs who back-end contracts have a massive advantage over those who don't.

If a team engages in this practice, adding a player to their roster on a heavily back-ended contract, it benefits them now certainly. But the downside is it is meant to restrict them in the latter years of that contract where they have less cap to manoeuvre with. Well, not if they back-end the next contracts also. Just keep back-ending them.

Sort of like a country with their national debt, but for a club there's no interest to pay, nor any limits or consequences.

The only hurdle I can see, is getting the approval of these contracts from NRL HQ, but that does not seem to be a problem for some clubs (e.g. Bulldogs with a lot of their contracts Eastwood, Graham, Morris, now supposedly Suli).

So why not buy a couple of $1m players right now on 4 year deals, back-end their contracts significantly, and keep doing it. Where's the downside?

The downside is eventually it all catches up, Eastwood is on a contract where he gets paid repotedly about 800k this year.The dogs tried to get rid of him but nobody would take him so he is an anchor on their cap this year.Backending deals is how we got caught paying almost a million dollars to other clubs

wasnt Farrah on a back ended contract and thats why we were paying souths nearly 900k for him to play for them?

 

[Balmainian]

so here we are again letting players go ( no matter what the cause ) and what will we get to replace this player, well there is nothing out there, all these so called clubs who were over the cap, are now buying players and we are the only fools left with no players to bring in, somethings just never change.

I don't think you comprehend the notion that Suli was a lost cause with the Tigers. Management did everything they possibly could to get him back on track and focused and he simply wasn't interested. Do you want to pay a bloke 460k per year to sit on his backside and gain weight, not put in and string the club along while everyone else does the right thing - puts in the hard yards and shows the club the respect it deserves?

Letting Suli go was the only course of action the Tigers could take.

X2 Well said.

x3
He is a special talent and will achieve great things if he gets his attitude right but as Willow said, if he doesn't put in the hard yards at training and isn't willing to listen to club officials - he isn't someone I would want representing Wests Tigers.

I think he was on $433k per season but yeah im with you fellas.
If your not on the bus or cant fit because you've blimped then see ya, theres always diffrent opinions when a young prospect leaves for whatever reason….......but the bottom line is, If you have an employee or a co-worker who flogs around all day while there rest of the group are trying to do a job and a good job what happens?
focus shifts from achieving a goal, To what about this goose were all puttin in and this bloke doesn't. Yet he's on more than me.
Thats what the tigers dont need.
Right move by the club.

 

[jadtiger]

I had a scary thought last night whilst thinking about Suli going to the Bulldogs. It was that clubs who back-end contracts have a massive advantage over those who don't.

If a team engages in this practice, adding a player to their roster on a heavily back-ended contract, it benefits them now certainly. But the downside is it is meant to restrict them in the latter years of that contract where they have less cap to manoeuvre with. Well, not if they back-end the next contracts also. Just keep back-ending them.

Sort of like a country with their national debt, but for a club there's no interest to pay, nor any limits or consequences.

The only hurdle I can see, is getting the approval of these contracts from NRL HQ, but that does not seem to be a problem for some clubs (e.g. Bulldogs with a lot of their contracts Eastwood, Graham, Morris, now supposedly Suli).

So why not buy a couple of $1m players right now on 4 year deals, back-end their contracts significantly, and keep doing it. Where's the downside?

The downside is eventually it all catches up, Eastwood is on a contract where he gets paid repotedly about 800k this year.The dogs tried to get rid of him but nobody would take him so he is an anchor on their cap this year.Backending deals is how we got caught paying almost a million dollars to other clubs

wasnt Farrah on a back ended contract and thats why we were paying souths nearly 900k for him to play for them?

Yes Robbie was part of the massive amount of money we were paying other clubs so was Blair.Back ending contracts did not work well for us at all.The club had been doing it since Sheens and Noyce and the hole just got deeper each year.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

From my understanding, that was a practice Humphreys worked on a few years back, and was a major reason we ended up in the crap financially for a year or two.

Then Mayer came along and gave Farah an extra 2 seasons than what the coach wanted to offer, to keep the farm together.

The best backended contracts are the ones not in your Salary Cap. The ones Brisbane & the Cowboys implement really well!

 

[851]

From my understanding, that was a practice Humphreys worked on a few years back, and was a major reason we ended up in the crap financially for a year or two.

Then Mayer came along and gave Farah an extra 2 seasons than what the coach wanted to offer, to keep the farm together.

The best backended contracts are the ones not in your Salary Cap. The ones Brisbane & the Cowboys implement really well!

Not wrong there, but the roosters system works just as well

 

[Geo]

From my understanding, that was a practice Humphreys worked on a few years back, and was a major reason we ended up in the crap financially for a year or two.

Then Mayer came along and gave Farah an extra 2 seasons than what the coach wanted to offer, to keep the farm together.

The best backended contracts are the ones not in your Salary Cap. The ones Brisbane & the Cowboys implement really well!

Broncos still paying Locky…

 

[Tiger_Watto]

From my understanding, that was a practice Humphreys worked on a few years back, and was a major reason we ended up in the crap financially for a year or two.

Then Mayer came along and gave Farah an extra 2 seasons than what the coach wanted to offer, to keep the farm together.

The best backended contracts are the ones not in your Salary Cap. The ones Brisbane & the Cowboys implement really well!

Broncos still paying Locky…

yep… $120k for another 5 years for administration services