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If were gonna make a fortress we need an identity we need to play our home game at one stadium and a handful at another whether it's 18 games at Campbelltown and 6 games at Leichhardt we need to upgrade Campbelltown and make it into a fortress a graveyard even for teams
 
@tigers97 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452675) said:
If were gonna make a fortress we need an identity we need to play our home game at one stadium and a handful at another whether it's 18 games at Campbelltown and 6 games at Leichhardt we need to upgrade Campbelltown and make it into a fortress a graveyard even for teams

Tell me what identity we would then have?
 
@harvey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452328) said:
Sharks are competitive in most games, we turn it up.

The sharks have had players out of position all year as well as the kids and should not be in the position that they are.

Does that include 40-14 loss to Storm, 48-0 loss to Panthers, 34-18 loss to Raiders, 40-22 loss to Manly?

Of the Sharks' 9 wins in 2021, they had a 1-pt win over Saints, 2-point win over Cowboys. Of their losses, they lost to Bulldogs by 6, Knights by 2, Warriors by 2.

Sharks have still scored less points than Tigers in 2021 (our defence is worse).

You can try and make all the excuses in the world for Sharkies but the fact is they were travelling so poorly they moved on from their coach, he resigned, and until last weekend they had the same number of wins as Tigers. Competitive is a relative term when it happens periodically and you are battling for an 8th-place spot.
 
@rihannafan1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452677) said:
@tigers97 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452675) said:
If were gonna make a fortress we need an identity we need to play our home game at one stadium and a handful at another whether it's 18 games at Campbelltown and 6 games at Leichhardt we need to upgrade Campbelltown and make it into a fortress a graveyard even for teams

Tell me what identity we would then have?

20 odd home games a year ...... woohoo
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452216) said:
@teddy23 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452191) said:
Mavrick Gyer (son of Mark after) apparently creating a lot of buzz and might leave Panthers to take up an opportunity at Melbourne

Should we maybe come to the party with more money and the potential to get game time….

Apparently the best player coming through the Jersey Flegg league

Who calls their kid Mavrick? Not even how you spell the word. What some parents do to their poor kids.


Careful what you say about Geyer online. He’ll sue you.
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452047) said:
@crazycat said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451218) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449889) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449758) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449749) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449735) said:
Thompson wants out of the dogs and Tigers and Cowboys seem the only logical choice. Benefit for us is doesn't need to shift too far from where he is. Cowboys only a casual interest with no offer on the table.

It coincides with madge saying we need a top class prop. That can’t be a coincidence .

Thompson isn't a top class prop .....barely 1st grade standard

I actually agree with this . But I’m not In the majority , and whether he is that player or not , he carries the “marquee” player tag. We need to make stepping stones and I don’t think signing him , with my previous post about salary cap management , will hamper us in the future . But it could begin enough of a perception shift that enables us to buy that potential true marquee on a few years time .

Wait... We have done this before.
Perception shift. Not Marquee but looks Marquee. Oh so we can attract talent.
Terry Hill comes to mind.
Some say Josh Reynolds, I definitely say Moses Mbye* a 320k max player on 750k.
Chris McQueen for some bizarre reason we signed after a neck injury.... (market perception I think).

I don't think it works. We seem to attract Media attention rather then good players.
Yet I like Jason Tamou as a signing, I thought that was brilliant and he has only worked out Okay...

Signing we have two choices.
Leadership
Talent Potential.

We seem to go Talent Potential a lot in this club.

*you know, dud signing but a class bloke. Moses Mbye, best of luck with the Dragons.

What do you do though ? There’s never been less talent to go around . Is it because of bad development, a change in society towards rugby league , no investment in the right areas , or just simply nepotism , at key strategic points in a players development .
I have no idea , but no one in the last 2 years that’s come on the market not named Lattrell Mitchell , would have moved the needle at all, and most would have put us back a few years .

I’ve seen rebuilds in a variety of sports , and most look exactly like this , in actuality , way worse . They’re usually out the back of the league getting lapped by the next best team.

It’s not justification to acknowledge that development takes time . Ideally you want what the storm , panthers , Tampa bay rays , Oakland As , type perpetual development cycles , where when a guy gets too expensive , you can ship him off , because there’s 2 ready made kids who will do just as good a job as him, and sometimes better .

That’s the holy grail of franchise building . But its straight difficult to achieve .

The gws giants are building something similar , which is in stark contrast to the suns , who made a me of thier original build .
This is extremely key , if you’re a team with lower finances / status , or infrastructure ( storm) .

Lets stop thinking so short term.
Each year, whatever happens a player will get punted and others will get hired.

Where is our development. Where is our Grit? When our bright young forward Melbourne storm great doing extra's after a game and goes "oh that's what I should be doing" you know were missing something.

Long term we need a culture of development and we need to foster that. There will always be a Latrell or a Ponga floating around. We need to get the club and development right and start building now, but with a view too 3 + years in the future.
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452575) said:
@yeahcaz said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452571) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452567) said:
@yeahcaz said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452564) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452562) said:
@yeahcaz said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452561) said:
lol Nofo isn’t going to get dropped. Face the music. If he didn’t get dropped after that first game this season against the warriors, he never will.

Mind boggling hey.

Seems like Talau is in the same boat.
Coach adores him.

Get off his case bra. Definitely been one of our best for the last few weeks. Not his fault he’s been switched between centre and wing all season. There’s a quality first grade centre in there I’m sure of it.

I've came to grips with the fact he's not going any where any time soon, just like Nofo.

Talau made the coaches top 7 to build around.
I don't get it but that's obviously the plan.

No point complaining hey. ?

If I I was in any point of power at this stage, I’d drop Nof before I do Tommy.

They don't play well together.

Nofo acts like its all Talaus fault.
Not good for the young kids development.

Talaus constant dropping of the footy every week is not good for the teams development either. Bellamy would not cop this crap but Madge does. No accountability what so ever.
 
@crazycat said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452709) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452047) said:
@crazycat said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451218) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449889) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449758) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449749) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449735) said:
Thompson wants out of the dogs and Tigers and Cowboys seem the only logical choice. Benefit for us is doesn't need to shift too far from where he is. Cowboys only a casual interest with no offer on the table.

It coincides with madge saying we need a top class prop. That can’t be a coincidence .

Thompson isn't a top class prop .....barely 1st grade standard

I actually agree with this . But I’m not In the majority , and whether he is that player or not , he carries the “marquee” player tag. We need to make stepping stones and I don’t think signing him , with my previous post about salary cap management , will hamper us in the future . But it could begin enough of a perception shift that enables us to buy that potential true marquee on a few years time .

Wait... We have done this before.
Perception shift. Not Marquee but looks Marquee. Oh so we can attract talent.
Terry Hill comes to mind.
Some say Josh Reynolds, I definitely say Moses Mbye* a 320k max player on 750k.
Chris McQueen for some bizarre reason we signed after a neck injury.... (market perception I think).

I don't think it works. We seem to attract Media attention rather then good players.
Yet I like Jason Tamou as a signing, I thought that was brilliant and he has only worked out Okay...

Signing we have two choices.
Leadership
Talent Potential.

We seem to go Talent Potential a lot in this club.

*you know, dud signing but a class bloke. Moses Mbye, best of luck with the Dragons.

What do you do though ? There’s never been less talent to go around . Is it because of bad development, a change in society towards rugby league , no investment in the right areas , or just simply nepotism , at key strategic points in a players development .
I have no idea , but no one in the last 2 years that’s come on the market not named Lattrell Mitchell , would have moved the needle at all, and most would have put us back a few years .

I’ve seen rebuilds in a variety of sports , and most look exactly like this , in actuality , way worse . They’re usually out the back of the league getting lapped by the next best team.

It’s not justification to acknowledge that development takes time . Ideally you want what the storm , panthers , Tampa bay rays , Oakland As , type perpetual development cycles , where when a guy gets too expensive , you can ship him off , because there’s 2 ready made kids who will do just as good a job as him, and sometimes better .

That’s the holy grail of franchise building . But its straight difficult to achieve .

The gws giants are building something similar , which is in stark contrast to the suns , who made a me of thier original build .
This is extremely key , if you’re a team with lower finances / status , or infrastructure ( storm) .

Lets stop thinking so short term.
Each year, whatever happens a player will get punted and others will get hired.

Where is our development. Where is our Grit? When our bright young forward Melbourne storm great doing extra's after a game and goes "oh that's what I should be doing" you know were missing something.

Long term we need a culture of development and we need to foster that. There will always be a Latrell or a Ponga floating around. We need to get the club and development right and start building now, but with a view too 3 + years in the future.

Ive literally been saying the exact same thing . The issue , once again , because of the selfishness and self interest of anyone who’s ever held any modicum of power in footy , things like the draft , and talent dispersion were put in the “well it’s not my fault you’re crap at development , why should I be punished “
Totally taking for granted that due to the changes in society , and the natural migration of people, geography is 90% of having a talented junior base . And just because you have it today , is no guarantee you’ll have it tomorrow .

South’s will experience this , if they haven’t already , the gentrification of thier catchment , will lead to less kids wanting to play/ parents letting them .
So with all that said and done , for the future of the game , the talent needs to be dispersed , through a draft .
That’s obviously not every player , and if it’s a 2 round draft , or 3 round draft , that’s with the introduction of a 17th team , 51 players .
There’s way more than that every year coming out .
This whole argument about making kids go where they don’t need to us crap . The egos will push them to want to go first , and if not , you pick a player who does , or trade down to a position to get the player who does want to come , plus a whole bunch more .
Also it will generate buzz , capture the zeitgeist, and control the sporting landscape for 10 out of 12 months a year .

You add a free agency period either side of it , and now you’re cooking with gas .
It works . It just does .
But we are too short sighted to see it .
 
@crazycat said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452670) said:
Moneyball won’t work. We need a real plan.

I read your post. I disagree with your point. I think the only way is moneyball with a focus on juniors and upgrade appropriately.
 
@boonboon said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452397) said:
Coach might not be perfect but their are many reasons star players dont want to come to us and changing coach wont fix that and hasnt for the last 40 yrs

Its a bit of a Catch 22 - good players "expect" to be paid overs to go to weaker clubs - they don't look at the COE or development pathways. In their eyes they are going to be taking on more of a workload than if they go to strong club with lots of star players and they want extra dollars for that. 2022 season is 6 months away yet the dogs cap is already in a mess by throwing over the top amounts at players. Inspector Gadget has stated in the media that we won't pay overs yet all the media go on about is players rejecting us. Thompson rejected our offer but he also rejected the cowboys. I would imagine neither offer came close to keeping him on the ridiculous money the dogs are paying him so he is going to screw them over which is great.
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452719) said:
@crazycat said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452709) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452047) said:
@crazycat said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451218) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449889) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449758) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449749) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1449735) said:
Thompson wants out of the dogs and Tigers and Cowboys seem the only logical choice. Benefit for us is doesn't need to shift too far from where he is. Cowboys only a casual interest with no offer on the table.

It coincides with madge saying we need a top class prop. That can’t be a coincidence .

Thompson isn't a top class prop .....barely 1st grade standard

I actually agree with this . But I’m not In the majority , and whether he is that player or not , he carries the “marquee” player tag. We need to make stepping stones and I don’t think signing him , with my previous post about salary cap management , will hamper us in the future . But it could begin enough of a perception shift that enables us to buy that potential true marquee on a few years time .

Wait... We have done this before.
Perception shift. Not Marquee but looks Marquee. Oh so we can attract talent.
Terry Hill comes to mind.
Some say Josh Reynolds, I definitely say Moses Mbye* a 320k max player on 750k.
Chris McQueen for some bizarre reason we signed after a neck injury.... (market perception I think).

I don't think it works. We seem to attract Media attention rather then good players.
Yet I like Jason Tamou as a signing, I thought that was brilliant and he has only worked out Okay...

Signing we have two choices.
Leadership
Talent Potential.

We seem to go Talent Potential a lot in this club.

*you know, dud signing but a class bloke. Moses Mbye, best of luck with the Dragons.

What do you do though ? There’s never been less talent to go around . Is it because of bad development, a change in society towards rugby league , no investment in the right areas , or just simply nepotism , at key strategic points in a players development .
I have no idea , but no one in the last 2 years that’s come on the market not named Lattrell Mitchell , would have moved the needle at all, and most would have put us back a few years .

I’ve seen rebuilds in a variety of sports , and most look exactly like this , in actuality , way worse . They’re usually out the back of the league getting lapped by the next best team.

It’s not justification to acknowledge that development takes time . Ideally you want what the storm , panthers , Tampa bay rays , Oakland As , type perpetual development cycles , where when a guy gets too expensive , you can ship him off , because there’s 2 ready made kids who will do just as good a job as him, and sometimes better .

That’s the holy grail of franchise building . But its straight difficult to achieve .

The gws giants are building something similar , which is in stark contrast to the suns , who made a me of thier original build .
This is extremely key , if you’re a team with lower finances / status , or infrastructure ( storm) .

Lets stop thinking so short term.
Each year, whatever happens a player will get punted and others will get hired.

Where is our development. Where is our Grit? When our bright young forward Melbourne storm great doing extra's after a game and goes "oh that's what I should be doing" you know were missing something.

Long term we need a culture of development and we need to foster that. There will always be a Latrell or a Ponga floating around. We need to get the club and development right and start building now, but with a view too 3 + years in the future.

Ive literally been saying the exact same thing . The issue , once again , because of the selfishness and self interest of anyone who’s ever held any modicum of power in footy , things like the draft , and talent dispersion were put in the “well it’s not my fault you’re crap at development , why should I be punished “
Totally taking for granted that due to the changes in society , and the natural migration of people, geography is 90% of having a talented junior base . And just because you have it today , is no guarantee you’ll have it tomorrow .

**South’s will experience this , if they haven’t already , the gentrification of thier catchment , will lead to less kids wanting to play/ parents letting them .**
So with all that said and done , for the future of the game , the talent needs to be dispersed , through a draft .
That’s obviously not every player , and if it’s a 2 round draft , or 3 round draft , that’s with the introduction of a 17th team , 51 players .
There’s way more than that every year coming out .
This whole argument about making kids go where they don’t need to us crap . The egos will push them to want to go first , and if not , you pick a player who does , or trade down to a position to get the player who does want to come , plus a whole bunch more .
Also it will generate buzz , capture the zeitgeist, and control the sporting landscape for 10 out of 12 months a year .

You add a free agency period either side of it , and now you’re cooking with gas .
It works . It just does .
But we are too short sighted to see it .

Souths have already made moves in to the Macarthur region to counter this. They talk of being able to double their membership just from that area alone. once their memberships grow there kids are going to see them as a better option than being stuck in the Tigers pathways.
 
@wildcat777 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452613) said:
Not sure what we have in Flegg and how far away they from First Grade. Hopefully we keep a few guns!!! And they kill it asap!!!

You're officially over your quota for exclamation marks.
 
@tigertownsfs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451182) said:
Thoughts on Pearce for 3 years? We need a change.

You're right - we need a change.

However it should always be a change for the better.

This guy is an absolute dog (pun intended), never wanted to play for us and he is past his used by date. Just my opinion.
 
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452784) said:
@tigertownsfs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451182) said:
Thoughts on Pearce for 3 years? We need a change.

You're right - we need a change.

However it should always be a change for the better.

This guy is an absolute dog (pun intended), never wanted to play for us and he is past his used by date. Just my opinion.

Yuck. I wouldn't want Pearce anywhere near my football club. Pearce is toxic. ? got rid of him because they have a no ****heads policy.
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452562) said:
@yeahcaz said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452561) said:
lol Nofo isn’t going to get dropped. Face the music. If he didn’t get dropped after that first game this season against the warriors, he never will.

Mind boggling hey.

Seems like Talau is in the same boat.
Coach adores him.

In Talau I think somewhere there is a very good footballer, so I would stick with him for a bit longer. As for Nofo, I think we need to look at other wingers with speed who are defensively strong
 
@davey_farrell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451779) said:
yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers.. Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own..Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin' (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don't want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren't interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren't interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren't interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don't back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the "Dogs" work out how to stay under the cap.
 
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452836) said:
@davey_farrell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451779) said:
yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers.. Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own..Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin' (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don't want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren't interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren't interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren't interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don't back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the "Dogs" work out how to stay under the cap.

Yeah he should stick to try fixing his disasters at Canberra season performances.
Just another rocker scientist spouting how to take off but hasn’t got no idea about the fuel.
 
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1452836) said:
@davey_farrell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451779) said:
yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers.. Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own..Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin' (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don't want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren't interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren't interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren't interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don't back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the "Dogs" work out how to stay under the cap.

Ennis isn't down with the Dogs.
He's a Raiders boy these days.
 
@momo_amp_medo said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451903) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451841) said:
@cqtiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1451834) said:
Throw insane money at the best coach. Bellamy should have been offered a ridiculous amount of money to leave Storm.

Bennett should be offered what he wants, we know he loves the $$.

Ask Trent Robinson what it would take to come here.

These guys would get rid of crap players in a minute. They attract good players. They have years of good defensive systems behind them.

If a Bellamy, a Bennett or a Robinson can’t get us firing then shut us down.

Buying premierships does NOT work . It is literally the reason we are in this mess . We neglected the juniors to invest all our resources in the first team , and got meh above average players on overs , which killed our cap .

This is what guys like you don’t understand . You see things as 10 years when in reality it’s closer to 2 . The sharks had 3 million of cap sitting on the sidelines ? Did they ? Because who was taking that money in the current market , if not for those players ? They had , just like everyone , thier over the hill over paid players sitting on the sidelines . If anything this season was a changing of the guard for many clubs . Including our own .

The dogs won’t even make the 8 , the next 2 years . That’s my prediction . It took Penrith 8 years to get thier 5 year plan to succeed .. and it wasn’t 5 million dollars of meh talent that did it . It was thier juniors who played together since Harold Matt’s .

For anyone that didn’t notice …… Our season was well over, done and dusted, at the end of June.

Confidence missing, heads down and that unhappy feeling of players playing because they had to and not what they wanted to be doing.

Hard to turn things around when external sources (media and fans) are lobbying for heads on the spikes. Throw in our inability to recruit and constant media and agents chatter that we are linked to signing anything that moves.
On the field every time we seem to poke our noses in front either the referees, the bunker or that old Lady Luck do us no favours.

So you would agree THAT is pretty bad environment to live in and try and achieve anything positive.

My understanding is that advice the club has been given is to circle the wagons, load the rifles and man the sentries and wait for the the circuit breaker moments.

Believe me this is no time to to go weak knees and cut and run …… “The worm will turn” for us on all the fronts.

Madge said that he needed men to stand with him in this battle. That goes for Players but also so called FANS and SUPPORTERS.

Absolutely agree Momo.

I think a few in the team mirror a few on the WTF - when it gets too hard, cut and run, no staying power.

Could not tell you how many times I have read someone on here say "I'm done", "I'm out of here", "I've had enough", "I'm not watching anymore."

However they expect the team to do the opposite.
 

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