Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[cochise]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
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All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?

TPJ reopen negotiations not the other way.

Yet the club still somehow managed to come off looking second best (from it).

Please know it's nothing against you Garry, so thanks for clarifying that anyway.
I'm just a little tentative of the club's operations process and specifically how the club doesn't appear to have any competitive advantage/leverage when negotiating with high profile players.
We previously may have not really required taking this approach - recruiting stars - however the position we're currently in and where we want to be, and now having some decent young talent at the club makes it much more pertinent IMO.

I sent you a PM earlier Lauren.

 

[GCfan]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

The Pom might be off the mark on this one.

I hope so mate, Ciraldo is the bloke we need, even though you don't like the idea of a rookie coach. He has Penrith as the best defensive team in the NRL, he has respect among the players, and he could attract some quality players. He basically is everything Madge is not, and we need

He has the respect of the players at Penrith given he’s worked with them since many were kids and or in Flegg. That doesn’t mean he walks into the Tigers and commands the same respect. Besides Laurie and Blore he’s a nobody to our blokes. He might have good defensive structures but there’s one thing to have them an another thing to get a team to stick to them for 80 minutes

 

[Demps]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

The Pom might be off the mark on this one.

I hope so mate, Ciraldo is the bloke we need, even though you don't like the idea of a rookie coach. He has Penrith as the best defensive team in the NRL, he has respect among the players, and he could attract some quality players. He basically is everything Madge is not, and we need

Mate, you're expressing opinion, not knowledge. How do you "know" the level of respect Ciraldo has among the playing group? You don't know. You're offering an opinion but presenting it as fact.

Look at the post above yours.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

 

[851]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

The Pom might be off the mark on this one.

I hope so mate, Ciraldo is the bloke we need, even though you don't like the idea of a rookie coach. He has Penrith as the best defensive team in the NRL, he has respect among the players, and he could attract some quality players. He basically is everything Madge is not, and we need

Barrett had the Panthers attack looking pretty good too…didn’t transcend to the Bulldogs.

Barrett can attract players, Madge could only dream of, and Penriths attack revolved around Cleary, Penriths defence doesn't revolve around one player, so completely different

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

The Pom might be off the mark on this one.

I hope so mate, Ciraldo is the bloke we need, even though you don't like the idea of a rookie coach. He has Penrith as the best defensive team in the NRL, he has respect among the players, and he could attract some quality players. He basically is everything Madge is not, and we need

Barrett had the Panthers attack looking pretty good too…didn’t transcend to the Bulldogs.

Barrett can attract players, Madge could only dream of, and Penriths attack revolved around Cleary, Penriths defence doesn't revolve around one player, so completely different

Is it Barrett who can attract them, or the Dogs? Is it Madge who can’t attract players or is it Wests Tigers?

 

[851]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

The Pom might be off the mark on this one.

I hope so mate, Ciraldo is the bloke we need, even though you don't like the idea of a rookie coach. He has Penrith as the best defensive team in the NRL, he has respect among the players, and he could attract some quality players. He basically is everything Madge is not, and we need

Mate, you're expressing opinion, not knowledge. How do you "know" the level of respect Ciraldo has among the playing group? You don't know. You're offering an opinion but presenting it as fact.

I didn't down vote you although I should have, it has been reported by many different media outlets, again in todays paper, but carry on

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If JFH is an 800k a year prop, so am I and I’m barely 77kgs with shoes on.

Gone absolutely missing 2 straight weeks against packs that want it more

Geez your tough - tonight he was great.
His defensive efforts was massive, very big key to holding the Eels in the 30mtrs often and slowing the ruck speed down. He made 49 tackles today. Most in the game. Not many props do that in 50 odd minutes.

Maybe the first half but he did very little in terms of limiting parras pack.
RCG - 151 metres
Paulo - 151 metres
Isaiah - 124 metres
Matto - 135 metres.

You’re not paying a prop of his ilk 800k to just make tackles In a game of that stature.

hope we try and sound out Paulo to partner Stef

Would be the perfect partner.

I think one of Paulo, Papali or Niakore won’t be re signed.
I’d be asking his manager if there has been any movements in terms of an extension following 23.

There’s a fair few off contract at Parramatta I’m sure Parramatta will sign who they want to prior to November 1.

If it’s a no go, I’d offer Tapau a 2 year contract.

Niakore is starting to get a rap sheet at the judiciary I'd pass on him
Papali or Paulo yes for sure

 

[Tigertragic83]

Christian Welch Is off contract 2022. That would be a great get. Exactly what our young pack needs

 

[BAGNF05]

Christian Welch Is off contract 2022. That would be a great get. Exactly what our young pack needs

Welch is all class.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Nikora wants to go home to the Warriors.
Apparently Souths have asked about Brayden Trindall.

 

[JC99]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

The Barrett talk all came from the media initially, they love Trent. Haven't seen the same said about ciraldo, more that he's just a good coach not that he's the mastermind behind everything

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

 

[Demps]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

Is it an option ?

Despite being a bit of a twit, the guy is a good player.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

The Barrett talk all came from the media initially, they love Trent. Haven't seen the same said about ciraldo, more that he's just a good coach not that he's the mastermind behind everything

Barrett was an overrated player and now overatted coach

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

Is it an option ?

Despite being a bit of a twit, the guy is a good player.

I'd take matterson back for sure

 

[Demps]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

The Barrett talk all came from the media initially, they love Trent. Haven't seen the same said about ciraldo, more that he's just a good coach not that he's the mastermind behind everything

Barrett was an overrated player and now overatted coach

Good head of hair though.

 

[Demps]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

Is it an option ?

Despite being a bit of a twit, the guy is a good player.

I'd take matterson back for sure

Likewise.
He looked great at the Tigers.