Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Mighty_Tiger]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

The Barrett talk all came from the media initially, they love Trent. Haven't seen the same said about ciraldo, more that he's just a good coach not that he's the mastermind behind everything

Barrett was an overrated player and now overatted coach

I’m yet to see him be able to coach structure and run a team. The bulldogs where terrible & had a very solid forward pack with some experienced backs. They should’ve won more than 3 games all year.

 

[PJ_]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

The Barrett talk all came from the media initially, they love Trent. Haven't seen the same said about ciraldo, more that he's just a good coach not that he's the mastermind behind everything

Barrett was an overrated player and now overatted coach

I’m yet to see him be able to coach structure and run a team. The bulldogs where terrible & had a very solid forward pack with some experienced backs. They should’ve won more than 3 games all year.

Barrett's a myth. He just has a lot of current commentators as drinking buddies.
Like sticky and the previous generation. How he is still a coach amazes me.

 

[WT46]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

where did this come from???

 

[tony soprano]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

where did this come from???

It's a joke.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

packer interrogation

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

Is it an option ?

Despite being a bit of a twit, the guy is a good player.

I'd take matterson back for sure

Likewise.
He looked great at the Tigers.

what happened there did Madge ask Matterson to play injured ? when he did not want to

 

[Demps]

So do you believe Matterson will come back to WTs now?

Is it an option ?

Despite being a bit of a twit, the guy is a good player.

I'd take matterson back for sure

Likewise.
He looked great at the Tigers.

what happened there did Madge ask Matterson to play injured ? when he did not want to

Ego got in the way.
Thought he deserved more cheese $$

 

[gallagher]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
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All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?

TPJ reopen negotiations not the other way.

That come from the club?

 

[TigerWest]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

The Pom might be off the mark on this one.

I hope so mate, Ciraldo is the bloke we need, even though you don't like the idea of a rookie coach. He has Penrith as the best defensive team in the NRL, he has respect among the players, and he could attract some quality players. He basically is everything Madge is not, and we need

Barrett had the Panthers attack looking pretty good too…didn’t transcend to the Bulldogs.

Barrett can attract players, Madge could only dream of, and Penriths attack revolved around Cleary, Penriths defence doesn't revolve around one player, so completely different

Is it Barrett who can attract them, or the Dogs? Is it Madge who can’t attract players or is it Wests Tigers?

I think it's clearly the WT Club. The leadership, management, resources and structures of the Club; a reluctantly merged, partisan, divided and unaccountable Board that runs the joint is the problem.

Jack Manning-Bancroft got panned by many on here for exposing the artificial and convenient nature of the WT narrative since the merger. It's superficial rubbish. Three-word slogans that even Tony Abbott would baulk at.

By contrast, did you read the comments of Trent Robinson after the Roosters were booted out ingloriously at the hands of Manly? He said that the resilience, courage and efforts of the 2021 squad would strengthen the Club into the future; not the "team", not "him" as coach, but the Club.

That's what we don't have. And, it's got nothing to do with the coach.
It's the shambolic, incoherent and selfish leadership of the Chair, CEO and Board that stifles any positive future for the Club, in it's current state.

If Madge is gone, it will be interesting what the club does for the next coach I.e open the purse strings, that they never afforded Madge.

 

[bathursttiger1]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

The Barrett talk all came from the media initially, they love Trent. Haven't seen the same said about ciraldo, more that he's just a good coach not that he's the mastermind behind everything

Barrett was an overrated player and now overatted coach

Good head of hair though.

Needs a bit of face slapping.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Here we go again. The more something changes, the more it stays the same.

We need to get rid of Noffo. This club is dictated by player power.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

First it was Barrett doing all the work last year, now it’s Ciraldo. The Cleary hate runs that deep.

The Barrett talk all came from the media initially, they love Trent. Haven't seen the same said about ciraldo, more that he's just a good coach not that he's the mastermind behind everything

Barrett was an overrated player and now overatted coach

100%.

Did we just become best friends?

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Are the super league coaches being considered any good?

 

[gallagher]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

The Pom might be off the mark on this one.

I hope so mate, Ciraldo is the bloke we need, even though you don't like the idea of a rookie coach. He has Penrith as the best defensive team in the NRL, he has respect among the players, and he could attract some quality players. He basically is everything Madge is not, and we need

Barrett had the Panthers attack looking pretty good too…didn’t transcend to the Bulldogs.

Barrett can attract players, Madge could only dream of, and Penriths attack revolved around Cleary, Penriths defence doesn't revolve around one player, so completely different

Is it Barrett who can attract them, or the Dogs? Is it Madge who can’t attract players or is it Wests Tigers?

I think it's clearly the WT Club. The leadership, management, resources and structures of the Club; a reluctantly merged, partisan, divided and unaccountable Board that runs the joint is the problem.

Jack Manning-Bancroft got panned by many on here for exposing the artificial and convenient nature of the WT narrative since the merger. It's superficial rubbish. Three-word slogans that even Tony Abbott would baulk at.

By contrast, did you read the comments of Trent Robinson after the Roosters were booted out ingloriously at the hands of Manly? He said that the resilience, courage and efforts of the 2021 squad would strengthen the Club into the future; not the "team", not "him" as coach, but the Club.

That's what we don't have. And, it's got nothing to do with the coach.
It's the shambolic, incoherent and selfish leadership of the Chair, CEO and Board that stifles any positive future for the Club, in it's current state.

If Madge is gone, it will be interesting what the club does for the next coach I.e open the purse strings, that they never afforded Madge.

Sounds like they are going down the cheap lane getting a rookie coach.

 

[TYGA]

Are the super league coaches being considered any good?

All downgrades

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Are the super league coaches being considered any good?

All downgrades

What is this club doing????

 

[Barnsta B]

If Madge has to go then so do some others.
A coach cant always wear the blame all the time. Though it does seem to be the way at Wests Tigers for over a decade

 

[mike]

If Madge has to go then so do some others.
A coach cant always wear the blame all the time. Though it does seem to be the way at Wests Tigers for over a decade

The Board is the issue, not the coach.

 

[Goanna57]

Are the super league coaches being considered any good?

All downgrades

Didn’t Maguire and Robinson come over from super league.
Was the same said about them

 

[JC99]

Are the super league coaches being considered any good?

All downgrades

The way Madge had us playing a downgrade would be pretty hard to achieve. We would need to concede 60 every week for it to be a downgrade