Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[GCfan]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?

I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

So because you know what we’re paying Vs the opposition it’s makes you feel better that we’d get belted forever? I agree, the salary cap is flawed but we need something to try to even the playing field.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

 

[mike]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

Won’t make any difference. The roster is the problem.

 

[gallagher]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?


I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

So because you know what we’re paying Vs the opposition it’s makes you feel better that we’d get belted forever? I agree, the salary cap is flawed but we need something to try to even the playing field.

We only want a level playing field because we can't compete. There's a salary cap and the NRL cover that. It's not a level playing field because we're at terribly run. How do the NRL stop that?

 

[CCWT]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?


I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

So because you know what we’re paying Vs the opposition it’s makes you feel better that we’d get belted forever? I agree, the salary cap is flawed but we need something to try to even the playing field.

We only want a level playing field because we can't compete. There's a salary cap and the NRL cover that. It's not a level playing field because we're at terribly run. How do the NRL stop that?

Agreed, if we had of kept ‘the big four’ we would prob be a consistent top eight side

 

[gallagher]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?


I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

So because you know what we’re paying Vs the opposition it’s makes you feel better that we’d get belted forever? I agree, the salary cap is flawed but we need something to try to even the playing field.

We only want a level playing field because we can't compete. There's a salary cap and the NRL cover that. It's not a level playing field because we're at terribly run. How do the NRL stop that?

Agreed, if we had of kept ‘the big four’ we would prob be a consistent top eight side

Absolutely!! If we had great juniors coming through and were in the top 4 , no one here would be asking for a draft and wanting a level playing field. We just want the governing body to help us out. It's pathetic.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

 

[Telltails]

The system absolutely looks after the top clubs. But in saying that WTs admin never capitalized on their success in 2005 and instead sent the club backwards - due to division infighting and self interest.
But let's not pretend we get the same value for money that the stronger clubs get when signing players. Two top tier players would blow our cap out of the water yet those clubs can have 5- 6, plus a crop of great young players prepared to play for minimal contracts in the hope of getting their crack in FG in a great system.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?


I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

So because you know what we’re paying Vs the opposition it’s makes you feel better that we’d get belted forever? I agree, the salary cap is flawed but we need something to try to even the playing field.

We only want a level playing field because we can't compete. There's a salary cap and the NRL cover that. It's not a level playing field because we're at terribly run. How do the NRL stop that?

Agreed, if we had of kept ‘the big four’ we would prob be a consistent top eight side

The club presented them with competitive contracts for nearly a year and they didn't sign .
Plus they sacked Taylor and appointed current GF coach Cleary still didn't sign.

Now if those guys wish to tell me that they wished to not put in for our club because of a culture problem I would say that players of that character are not worth keeping.

 

[swooping magpie]

I want Harry Triguboff to buy the WT franchise and remove the existing Board, Chairperson and CEO. C'mon Harry, if you really love the Tigers, the time is NOW. Your mate Sheensy is back. Do it!!

OK, it wasn't really a signing suggestion. Sorry.

He wanted to and they wouldn't sell.

That's right, Wests Ashfield have said the club is not for sale and why would they sell? The club makes a profit, unlike many NRL clubs and Ashfields core business, apart from the leagues club, is Rugby League. A change of ownership won;t bring more players, we still have to operate within the salary cap.

Ashfield making a profit has nothing to do with the rugby league team … it’s all pokies.

No, I meant that Wests Tigers are making a profit, so why would they sell?

 

[CCWT]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?


I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

So because you know what we’re paying Vs the opposition it’s makes you feel better that we’d get belted forever? I agree, the salary cap is flawed but we need something to try to even the playing field.

We only want a level playing field because we can't compete. There's a salary cap and the NRL cover that. It's not a level playing field because we're at terribly run. How do the NRL stop that?

Agreed, if we had of kept ‘the big four’ we would prob be a consistent top eight side

The club presented them with competitive contracts for nearly a year and they didn't sign .
Plus they sacked Taylor and appointed current GF coach Cleary still didn't sign.

Now if those guys wish to tell me that they wished to not put in for our club because of a culture problem I would say that players of that character are not worth keeping.

The club offered them good money to stay, but the issue was they didn’t want to stay, they should have been keen as to sign on and try and win a premiership, but they wanted out. That’s the club’s fault

 

[JD Tiger]

lol just joking

lol, that was funny. Made me smile.

 

[izotope]

Is emailing Pascoe asking about Leniu worth anything? Looked dangerous today

You might always want to include what club he plays for as pascoe would have NFI

 

[Magpie_Magic]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?


I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

So because you know what we’re paying Vs the opposition it’s makes you feel better that we’d get belted forever? I agree, the salary cap is flawed but we need something to try to even the playing field.

We only want a level playing field because we can't compete. There's a salary cap and the NRL cover that. It's not a level playing field because we're at terribly run. How do the NRL stop that?

Agreed, if we had of kept ‘the big four’ we would prob be a consistent top eight side

The club presented them with competitive contracts for nearly a year and they didn't sign .
Plus they sacked Taylor and appointed current GF coach Cleary still didn't sign.

Now if those guys wish to tell me that they wished to not put in for our club because of a culture problem I would say that players of that character are not worth keeping.

The club offered them good money to stay, but the issue was they didn’t want to stay, they should have been keen as to sign on and try and win a premiership, but they wanted out. That’s the club’s fault.

I wonder why they wanted out? Why is that the club's fault. Remember hearing their excuses that they want to play finals. We'll as fatty said on the footy show why don't they show some gumption and get em in finals. Remember Moses missing point blank FGs and goals which cost us at least 2 wins which would have got us in.

Remember hearing Benny saying on NRL360 "that's it's a good thing Isaac has such influence over the club".
Now derigestered.

 

[cochise]

lol just joking

lol, that was funny. Made me smile.

I would have left it without explaining it was a joke but someone would have taken it seriously.

We did have a poster here once when asked for a source on a statement they made said their TV.

 

[gallagher]

lol just joking

lol, that was funny. Made me smile.

I would have left it without explaining it was a joke but someone would have taken it seriously.

We did have a poster here once when asked for a source on a statement they made said their TV.

So who told you the contract worth?

 

[Tiger-ferret]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

So he’s still the best available option?

 

[TigerWest]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

 

[cqtiger]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

I wouldn’t say Sheens will never be coach, if we start 0-5 next year … who fills in until a new coach is scouted?

 

[avocadoontoast]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022