Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Needaname]

The system absolutely looks after the top clubs. But in saying that WTs admin never capitalized on their success in 2005 and instead sent the club backwards - due to division infighting and self interest.
But let's not pretend we get the same value for money that the stronger clubs get when signing players. Two top tier players would blow our cap out of the water yet those clubs can have 5- 6, plus a crop of great young players prepared to play for minimal contracts in the hope of getting their crack in FG in a great system.

The second part is the difference not the first.
Have a stab at what we would be paying our 2nd half of our squad compared to other clubs.

 

[Odessa]

If there's a chance Spencer Leniu is available to sign we should be offering him 3 years at a decent wage ASAP... good player and still so young. He and Stefano together would be a great combo

500k seems fair ?

They will try to do it on the cheap and offer 350K
because it's reported that he is on 300K at Penrith
450K-500K take the risk beggars can't be choosing

 

[Telltails]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

Why are you ignoring the role the of recruitment and the person/s most responsible for sealing deals for assembling a squad that is FG
competitive. From where I sit Maguire has some great young players to work with and not much else.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

Why are you ignoring the role the of recruitment and the person/s most responsible for sealing deals for assembling a squad that is FG
competitive. From where I sit Maguire has some great young players to work with and not much else.

Not ignoring that at all, I think that’s a combination of us being a fairly undesirable club and having a very undesirable coach. It’s a double whammy.

Very little will change in the playing roster so coaching is the only thing that will improve on field performances. That’s why Sheens being the top dog in coaching is so important, as are the assistants who’ll be doing much of the grunt work.

 

[tony soprano]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

If that's what u need to tell yourself

 

[tony soprano]

Wonder if we'll sign anyone or just talk about people we didn't sign in the past

 

[fibrodreaming]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

If that's what u need to tell yourself

I’m sorry if it upsets you Tony but It’s fairly obvious what the club is doing with the coaching moving forward. They could see having Madge in control was doomed to fail so they’ve made the necessary changes. Hope it works.

 

[Telltails]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

Why are you ignoring the role the of recruitment and the person/s most responsible for sealing deals for assembling a squad that is FG
competitive. From where I sit Maguire has some great young players to work with and not much else.

Not ignoring that at all, I think that’s a combination of us being a fairly undesirable club and having a very undesirable coach. It’s a double whammy.

Very little will change in the playing roster so coaching is the only thing that will improve on field performances. That’s why Sheens being the top dog in coaching is so important, as are the assistants who’ll be doing much of the grunt work.

The coach can only work with the players that are recruited and if the squad is not at the standard of other FG teams then he immediately is disadvantaged.
Our record in trying to recruit those players needed is poor that falls at the hands of those in charge of recruitment. It is a specific role.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

Why are you ignoring the role the of recruitment and the person/s most responsible for sealing deals for assembling a squad that is FG
competitive. From where I sit Maguire has some great young players to work with and not much else.

Not ignoring that at all, I think that’s a combination of us being a fairly undesirable club and having a very undesirable coach. It’s a double whammy.

Very little will change in the playing roster so coaching is the only thing that will improve on field performances. That’s why Sheens being the top dog in coaching is so important, as are the assistants who’ll be doing much of the grunt work.

The coach can only work with the players that are recruited and if the squad is not at the standard of other FG teams then he immediately is disadvantaged.
Our record in trying to recruit those players needed is poor that falls at the hands of those in charge of recruitment. It is a specific role.

I agree, if there’s improvement next year it will be a fantastic job by Sheens and the new assistants as the change to the playing roster is negligible. Any optimism I have for next season sits with the change in the coaching structure

 

[cktiger]

All you need do to become a 'desirable' coach is win more games than you lose.
If we get to the stage next year where they dump Maguire and even consider using Sheens as a fill in coach we will have reached the point of no return.

 

[TigerWest]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

If that's what u need to tell yourself

I’m sorry if it upsets you Tony but It’s fairly obvious what the club is doing with the coaching moving forward. They could see having Madge in control was doomed to fail so they’ve made the necessary changes. Hope it works.

So with your model, if the club fails next season, then it’s Sheen’s fault?
You do realise, that when we are successful next year, they will probably extend Madge’s contract, don’t you?

You lost your crusade, live with it.

 

[Lukic]

I cannot understand how anybody can watch what Madge says and the product we put out on the field, and think he's a good coach. The fact he hasn't dropped Brooks once in his 3 years here says it all. Worst player in first grade can play like an absolute donkey and yet is guaranteed to be in the 17 the next week.

Sheens with someone like John Morris as assistant should've been the go. Let Sheens put the systems in place and oversee things like Bennett, and have Morris run the day to day. Kind of like how Souths are doing now with Bennett and Demetriou. Seems to be working pretty well for them. We obviously don't have the luxury of the rep players they have, but at least having some direction and a coach who doesn't discourage players from wanting to play at a club would help.

 

[Lukic]

The system absolutely looks after the top clubs. But in saying that WTs admin never capitalized on their success in 2005 and instead sent the club backwards - due to division infighting and self interest.
But let's not pretend we get the same value for money that the stronger clubs get when signing players. Two top tier players would blow our cap out of the water yet those clubs can have 5- 6, plus a crop of great young players prepared to play for minimal contracts in the hope of getting their crack in FG in a great system.

Maybe we need to sign a top tier player or two because that will attract other players. There's no point paying good money for crap players and then just ending up in an endless spiral. Lets use our cap space on guys who will genuinely improve the team. I'm ok with overpaying for a great player rather than overpaying for average.

 

[Telltails]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

Why are you ignoring the role the of recruitment and the person/s most responsible for sealing deals for assembling a squad that is FG
competitive. From where I sit Maguire has some great young players to work with and not much else.

Not ignoring that at all, I think that’s a combination of us being a fairly undesirable club and having a very undesirable coach. It’s a double whammy.

Very little will change in the playing roster so coaching is the only thing that will improve on field performances. That’s why Sheens being the top dog in coaching is so important, as are the assistants who’ll be doing much of the grunt work.

The coach can only work with the players that are recruited and if the squad is not at the standard of other FG teams then he immediately is disadvantaged.
Our record in trying to recruit those players needed is poor that falls at the hands of those in charge of recruitment. It is a specific role.

I agree, if there’s improvement next year it will be a fantastic job by Sheens and the new assistants as the change to the playing roster is negligible. Any optimism I have for next season sits with the change in the coaching structure

My argument is all individual stakeholders are hampered by the perception of the club being undesirable - right from recruitment, to coach, to the players - and all are impacted by it.
Unless they can all work collaboratively to change that - and I don't care who they bring in or how many if it makes a positive difference - blaming and removing an individual and replacing them with another and expecting significant difference is futile.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

If that's what u need to tell yourself

I’m sorry if it upsets you Tony but It’s fairly obvious what the club is doing with the coaching moving forward. They could see having Madge in control was doomed to fail so they’ve made the necessary changes. Hope it works.

So with your model, if the club fails next season, then it’s Sheen’s fault?
You do realise, that when we are successful next year, they will probably extend Madge’s contract, don’t you?

You lost your crusade, live with it.

No I’d give Sheens a little more time. I think it will take more than 1 season to undo all the damage Maguire has done. Sheens got us to a grand final victory year 3, Madge got us to a 38-0 loss against the wooden spooners. Ouch.

If we’re winning I’d be happy for them to extend him, but he’d probably want to go into a role where he has some influence and is an actual coach rather than a puppet.

 

[GCfan]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

Won’t make any difference. The roster is the problem.

In its current form yes but the hope is Sheens may help attract the right players.
We can only live in hope , it’s what we’ve all been doing for the last decade.

 

[cochise]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

 

[supercoach]

Bottom line most of our top 30 have hit their ceiling and it’s a very low ceiling. Okay we have a couple of youngsters who could be anything, but they are surrounded by players who just are not going to improve no matter who coaches them. The roster needs a major overhaul urgently

 

[TigerWest]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?


Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You're just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn't get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you're just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

If that's what u need to tell yourself

I’m sorry if it upsets you Tony but It’s fairly obvious what the club is doing with the coaching moving forward. They could see having Madge in control was doomed to fail so they’ve made the necessary changes. Hope it works.

So with your model, if the club fails next season, then it’s Sheen’s fault?
You do realise, that when we are successful next year, they will probably extend Madge’s contract, don’t you?

You lost your crusade, live with it.

No I’d give Sheens a little more time. I think it will take more than 1 season to undo all the damage Maguire has done. Sheens got us to a grand final victory year 3, **Madge got us to a 38-0 loss against the wooden spooners**. Ouch.

If we’re winning I’d be happy for them to extend him, but he’d probably want to go into a role where he has some influence and is an actual coach rather than a puppet.

That’s true, but you didn’t mention we had half the FG squad out, (Laurie, Talau, Doueihi, Mbye, Seyfarth, Tamou, Garner, Musgrove, did I miss anyone else?) and the young blokes showed they weren’t up to the task?

But that is the problem with you anti Madge blokes (take your blinkers off) you are prepared to let someone else come in just as the hard is nearly done and take the glory, (similar to what Cleary is doing) you think Sheens is the messiah, he failed here and by all accounts in most footy roles he’s had.
If the club really thought he was, he would have been given the job.

You’re kidding yourself if you think anyone, never mind one of the best coaches in the country, would coach under those circumstances especially to someone who hasn’t been involved in the Australian game for a decade?

Hint: look at our roster and tell me why we aren’t being more successful?