Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[yeahcaz]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

Can’t knock him for wanting job security. Dale is banged up but with the way modern sports medicine is, it wouldn’t surprise me if he played out those 4 years.

I highly doubt after those 4 years, people will look back at the deal and say cronulla are worse off for it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

Can’t knock him for wanting job security. Dale is banged up but with the way modern sports medicine is, it wouldn’t surprise me if he played out those 4 years.

I highly doubt after those 4 years, people will look back at the deal and say cronulla are worse off for it.

I am glad they signed him. There may be less money for Franklin Pele so we an sign him.

 

[FinestTigers]

Too many blokes like Brooks and M'Bye who are only there to collect a paycheck. And they've both spent time as Captain

Wonder who picked those blokes every week and made them captain ?

We should also be asking the question,
What is the meaning of captain material?

Some of them are vocal leaders.
And some of them are **non-vocal**, they do not make those long speeches, but they are trusted to say the right things at the right time. This type of **non-vocal captain** leads by example and listens more and talks less.
And the player must be secure in in his role and respected enough and most importantly by his teammates.
Luke Brooks is a non-vocal type of captain but does he inspire his teammates and leads by example?

 

[yeahcaz]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

Can’t knock him for wanting job security. Dale is banged up but with the way modern sports medicine is, it wouldn’t surprise me if he played out those 4 years.

I highly doubt after those 4 years, people will look back at the deal and say cronulla are worse off for it.

I am glad they signed him. There may be less money for Franklin Pele so we an sign him.

He’s be a great pick up for us, hope we’re trying to pry him away as I believe he’s off contract at the end of 2022

 

[Odessa]

We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .

To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.

A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.

I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.

I was talking years ago to some Canterbury players
When Des was coach and they had that run when they keep losing and they told me that Des was flogging them at training and the more they lost the more they got flog at training and they said on game day they had nothing in the tank

 

[frullens]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

Finucane has played in 6 grand finals and played semi finals every year of his career across bulldogs and storm

Stef credited finucane for his change in form from origin camp. Imagine the impact he could of made across the whole squad.

To me he's the type of player that can change club culture and send us in a new direction. And for that I would of taken the hit of 4 years. If he's not up to it in year 4 he can teach the young players in Reggie's. Would of been huge value for the club

 

[Camel2281]

Too many blokes like Brooks and M'Bye who are only there to collect a paycheck. And they've both spent time as Captain

Wonder who picked those blokes every week and made them captain ?

We should also be asking the question,
What is the meaning of captain material?

Some of them are vocal leaders.
And some of them are **non-vocal**, they do not make those long speeches, but they are trusted to say the right things at the right time. This type of **non-vocal captain** leads by example and listens more and talks less.
And the player must be secure in in his role and respected enough and most importantly by his teammates.
Luke Brooks is a non-vocal type of captain but does he inspire his teammates and leads by example?

He's non vocal and uninspiring. Plus he lacks want and ability.

Your non vocal type Captain is a Boyd Cordner

 

[Tiger5150]

We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .

To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.

A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.

I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.



I was talking years ago to some Canterbury players
When Des was coach and they had that run when they keep losing and they told me that Des was flogging them at training and the more they lost the more they got flog at training and they said on game day they had nothing in the tank

Keep hearing how much of a dinosaur and old school thinker Des is. Then I watch Manly storm into the finals.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .

To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.

A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.

I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.



I was talking years ago to some Canterbury players
When Des was coach and they had that run when they keep losing and they told me that Des was flogging them at training and the more they lost the more they got flog at training and they said on game day they had nothing in the tank

Keep hearing how much of a dinosaur and old school thinker Des is. Then I watch Manly storm into the finals.

Des completely lost the plot at the Dogs. It’s not that he lost it, he just needed to go away and lay on a beach with a cocktail and get his head back. He must have done it, cos he got it back when he returned to Manly.

 

[hugh1954]

Why are we talking about this franklin pele .... are we making an offer or is it just wishful yearning ?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Why are we talking about this franklin pele .... are we making an offer or is it just wishful yearning ?

Why are we talking about anyone in this thread. Nearly 7000 pages and the success rate of players mentioned would be under 5%.

 

[Swordy]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

As I understand, Finucane was never coming to WT and had more to do with his Manager and other deals that had been done (Nicho Hynes) as opposed to what we did.

but, he would have been a good asset. But you cant lump it on one guy, just like Tamou. Its too much for one. there needs to be 2 or 3 strong personalities that are aligned leading the group.

EDIT: Imagine what the team would be with a Brett Morris, a Dale Finucane and a Josh Hodgson (at his peak).

 

[hugh1954]

Why are we talking about this franklin pele .... are we making an offer or is it just wishful yearning ?

Why are we talking about anyone in this thread. Nearly 7000 pages and the success rate of players mentioned would be under 5%.

Needs to be edited and turned into a book......... Den of Dreams

 

[avocadoontoast]

Why are we talking about this franklin pele .... are we making an offer or is it just wishful yearning ?

Why are we talking about anyone in this thread. Nearly 7000 pages and the success rate of players mentioned would be under 5%.

Less than that, 5% would be 350 players. More like 0.00005%

 

[yeahcaz]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

As I understand, Finucane was never coming to WT and had more to do with his Manager and other deals that had been done (Nicho Hynes) as opposed to what we did.

but, he would have been a good asset. But you cant lump it on one guy, just like Tamou. Its too much for one. there needs to be 2 or 3 strong personalities that are aligned leading the group.

It was essentially Tamou as the stand alone leader. Mbye would’ve done stuff all as he was being publicly shopped around by the club all year and that’s it really. We had like 4-5 players who had played over 100 games

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Why are we talking about this franklin pele .... are we making an offer or is it just wishful yearning ?

He seems to me to be an achievable target like Utoikamanu, Laurie and Blore. He also fits the profile of players we want to build the club around. He's off contract end of next year so I hope we target him.

 

[hugh1954]

Why are we talking about this franklin pele .... are we making an offer or is it just wishful yearning ?

He seems to me to be an achievable target like Utoikamanu, Laurie and Blore. He also fits the profile of players we want to build the club around. He's off contract end of next year so I hope we target him.

Thanks Paws

 

[hsvjones]

I have to give Gus credit where credit is due... He interacts with his fans and says it how it is and shuts down rubbish when needed. (could be a reason the media don't make up stuff about him or his team) . He has been talking about 2 players been signed with fans for the last few days and even advised them 1 will be announced in the morning. Going by his past history I would believe this is the truth.. I don't mind this approach and helps ease fans and gets them excited. Us Tigers fans could do with someone like that now to shut rubbish down and even give us some hope / excitement

 

[jirskyr]

Could be Thommo.

I would probably entertain a thomo for Musgrove swap.

I agree, I definitely would be down for that. With Thommo what you see is what you get. Mus is largely and unknown and has so far failed to live up to any hype. Seems to have regular long term injury woes which have prevented him hitting any real form. Thommo is quality, hard hitting and hard running.

I would like thommo as a strong experienced first leader.

But don't think the club would swap Musgrove. He only signed a long term deal last year, apparently for understanding what dragons offered him because he wanted to play under madge.

He had that shocker against Parramatta but had a sesson ending injury from that game so assume he was injured affected.

Would like to see Musgrove with a full preseason and a string of games to establish himself. He's strong and aggressive which is what we need

Musgrove is the forgotten man. If he can get past this foot injury for good, he's a mainstay in this pack. He's a fantastic prop.

His last game for us (I think it was vs Manly) was one of the worst performances i've ever seen from an NRL player.

Couple of lazy arm grab attempts up the middle and Tommy/Cherry absolutely carved us up.

Must have been an isolated incident - haven't seen Turbo carve up many ruck defences in 2021...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I have to give Gus credit where credit is due... He interacts with his fans and says it how it is and shuts down rubbish when needed. (could be a reason the media don't make up stuff about him or his team) . He has been talking about 2 players been signed with fans for the last few days and even advised them 1 will be announced in the morning. Going by his past history I would believe this is the truth.. I don't mind this approach and helps ease fans and gets them excited. Us Tigers fans could do with someone like that now to shut rubbish down and even give us some hope / excitement

We need to actually make signings though.