Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[BAGNF05]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing

So players don’t want to come to the Tigers cos they don’t want to lose. But he loves it at the Dogs. Righto

Despite the bad season, Tigers in 2021 had 2 more wins than Bulldogs managed all of 2020 and 2021 combined.

How many good wins did we have, we preyed on injured teams in large part.

How many "good wins" did the Dogs have as a matter of interest?

One against us

 

[Tucker]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing

So players don’t want to come to the Tigers cos they don’t want to lose. But he loves it at the Dogs. Righto

Despite the bad season, Tigers in 2021 had 2 more wins than Bulldogs managed all of 2020 and 2021 combined.

How many good wins did we have, we preyed on injured teams in large part.

How many "good wins" did the Dogs have as a matter of interest?

One against us

Haha yes that point is hard to argue.

 

[BAGNF05]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

100% this. The whole idea is a complete non-starter. All it does is distort player cost, not "fix" it. Depending on how the points are assigned, it would likely be a disaster for solid first graders who happen to have played a game or two of rep football and are now given rep-level points, while wildly overvaluing unproven talent. Instead of allowing clubs to keep the players they have developed, it would force them into Joseph Suaalii style bidding wars over "next big thing" talent that has a very low points score.

Every time I get into a conversation with a points system advicate they have to tweak the system in response to every problem.

What about players who get international caps for second tier nations - would they carry the same points weighting as Australia internationals? *Oh no, it would be half.* So teams would be incentivised to sign Tongan and Kiwi players rather than Australians - how would that go down? *Oh no, Tonga and NZ are good now, so they would have full weighting.* So some guy who plays a couple of games off the bench for Tonga has the same weighting as an Australian international? *It could be based on number of games played.* But some international teams play more than others.

And so it goes on, until they end up saying actually there would just be a panel of judges who decide how many points to assign everyone. Which basically turns roster construction into "are you a better judge of talent than Gorden Tallis, Neil Henry and Braith Anasta". There's no way any system that relies on external judgement of talent is going to work.

Some good points in here. The salary cap doesn’t work though. I’d love to see a draft.

 

[supercoach]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.

Still a mid table roster but not in the running for the spoon.

As it stands now our roster has a mortgage on the spoon. Even the Dragons have a better squad. Ok every year a few teams over and under achieve, but we would have to over achieve to come 15th or better

 

[240z]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

It is used in Sydney Rugby Union and also in the VFL

 

[cochise]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

I see no reason why it couldn’t work, but it won’t happen because the people with the power ($) don’t want it.

I don't think it would work, too many variables.

 

[cochise]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

100% this. The whole idea is a complete non-starter. All it does is distort player cost, not "fix" it. Depending on how the points are assigned, it would likely be a disaster for solid first graders who happen to have played a game or two of rep football and are now given rep-level points, while wildly overvaluing unproven talent. Instead of allowing clubs to keep the players they have developed, it would force them into Joseph Suaalii style bidding wars over "next big thing" talent that has a very low points score.

Every time I get into a conversation with a points system advicate they have to tweak the system in response to every problem.

What about players who get international caps for second tier nations - would they carry the same points weighting as Australia internationals? *Oh no, it would be half.* So teams would be incentivised to sign Tongan and Kiwi players rather than Australians - how would that go down? *Oh no, Tonga and NZ are good now, so they would have full weighting.* So some guy who plays a couple of games off the bench for Tonga has the same weighting as an Australian international? *It could be based on number of games played.* But some international teams play more than others.

And so it goes on, until they end up saying actually there would just be a panel of judges who decide how many points to assign everyone. Which basically turns roster construction into "are you a better judge of talent than Gorden Tallis, Neil Henry and Braith Anasta". There's no way any system that relies on external judgement of talent is going to work.

Some good points in here. The salary cap doesn’t work though. I’d love to see a draft.

I don't want to see a draft either, the way to fix the issue is to provide proper concessions for developed and long serving players.

 

[240z]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

I see no reason why it couldn’t work, but it won’t happen because the people with the power ($) don’t want it.

I don't think it would work, too many variables.

I submitted a paper (upgrades to the current 100 point system) to the Sydney Rugby Union on this a few months ago. I agree it is terribly difficult and will never work unless it is administered appropriately. For fun I used the same method on the Tigers and the Roosters. Very interesting results

 

[supercoach]

It was reported in the media mid year when blow outs were happening two out of three games and ratings had hit the floor, that the NRL were going to investigate how they can improve the salary cap or find another way to narrow the gap between the haves and have nots.

So what have they done….nothing. Put it under the carpet and hope things will magically improve.

As for the point system, I have been talking about it for ten years, but the majority of people think it would not work.So I have put it to bed.

 

[Camel2281]

Sea Eagles have released Cade Cust from the final year of his contract to allow him to pursue an opportunity outside of the NRL.

He'd be good depth signing. I like him as a player

 

[cochise]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

I see no reason why it couldn’t work, but it won’t happen because the people with the power ($) don’t want it.

I don't think it would work, too many variables.


I submitted a paper (upgrades to the current 100 point system) to the Sydney Rugby Union on this a few months ago. I agree it is terribly difficult and will never work unless it is administered appropriately. For fun I used the same method on the Tigers and the Roosters. Very interesting results

What would you base your point allocations on?

 

[sparci]

Sea Eagles have released Cade Cust from the final year of his contract to allow him to pursue an opportunity outside of the NRL.

He'd be good depth signing. I like him as a player

he'd make our first grade team

 

[twentyforty]

I can only wish the roosters are enticing players with money, but I think the uncomfortable truth is that players are going there to be successful and sacrificing the money. If this generation values winning over money, our hill gets even steeper to climb, Ryan Matterson was on $180K at the chooks . When his upgrade request got leaked, whilst a WT. Many started to entertain the notion of the roosters actually being under the cap.

The Roosters are NEVER under the salary cap.This cr3p about players playing for unders "just to be at the Roosters" is a Politus inspired myth .Just because payments dont show up on the books, dont think for a second players are not receiving delayed payments for years after they retire from third parties, supposedly at arms length from the club.

1000 % Agree this happens..
Even retired players joke about it yet we get done for offering Farah a job AFTER footy when he was also leaving our club..
I've said it for years now but all payment should be paid through NRL and TPA need to be scrapped or heavily looked at by NRL.. Unfortunately the NRL have no balls to fix it

That doesn’t stop lumps of cash handed out

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.All clubs can pay players what they want , however they can only spend the same amount of points. If a player is a local junior, you get a discount . If a players is a local junior and stays with the club 10 years , you get a discount. If you buy a player that was a junior at another club, you never can get these discounts, not matter how long he stays. The
beauty of this system is it would stop the likes of the Rorters waiting for all the other clubs(like the Tigers ) spending the time developing these kids just to have them "stolen " with more money. For one thing , clubs like the Rorters would be forced to develop their own juniors and Uncle Nicks paper bags would be rendered redundant in buying any more premierships.

All clubs have brown paper bags. Some have more in the bag.

And some are too smart to get caught out .....

As proven in the Farah situation .....we have proven we aren't too smart .....so why would you risk it to play footy in a bottom 4 side and risk you representative jerseys etc .....you don't play SOO when you probably should costs you 90 k alone .....

Yeh, when you know the rules based on your reputation for having an extensive knowledge of contracts with complete accuracy of application etc then publicly wear a wrongdoing like a medal on your chest you gotta be a little embarrassed to spend time in the sin bin LOL.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Sea Eagles have released Cade Cust from the final year of his contract to allow him to pursue an opportunity outside of the NRL.

He'd be good depth signing. I like him as a player

Isn't his release conditional upon opportunities outside of the NRL?

 

[bathursttiger1]

It was reported in the media mid year when blow outs were happening two out of three games and ratings had hit the floor, that the NRL were going to investigate how they can improve the salary cap or find another way to narrow the gap between the haves and have nots.

So what have they done….nothing. Put it under the carpet and hope things will magically improve.

As for the point system, I have been talking about it for ten years, but the majority of people think it would not work.So I have put it to bed.

While ever the NRL has TPA’s and brown paper bags exist, it will be an uneven competition.

 

[tigerballs]

I can only wish the roosters are enticing players with money, but I think the uncomfortable truth is that players are going there to be successful and sacrificing the money. If this generation values winning over money, our hill gets even steeper to climb, Ryan Matterson was on $180K at the chooks . When his upgrade request got leaked, whilst a WT. Many started to entertain the notion of the roosters actually being under the cap.

The Roosters are NEVER under the salary cap.This cr3p about players playing for unders "just to be at the Roosters" is a Politus inspired myth .Just because payments dont show up on the books, dont think for a second players are not receiving delayed payments for years after they retire from third parties, supposedly at arms length from the club.

1000 % Agree this happens..
Even retired players joke about it yet we get done for offering Farah a job AFTER footy when he was also leaving our club..
I've said it for years now but all payment should be paid through NRL and TPA need to be scrapped or heavily looked at by NRL.. Unfortunately the NRL have no balls to fix it

That doesn’t stop lumps of cash handed out

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.All clubs can pay players what they want , however they can only spend the same amount of points. If a player is a local junior, you get a discount . If a players is a local junior and stays with the club 10 years , you get a discount. If you buy a player that was a junior at another club, you never can get these discounts, not matter how long he stays. The beauty of this system is it would stop the likes of the Rorters waiting for all the other clubs(like the Tigers ) spending the time developing these kids just to have them "stolen " with more money. For one thing , clubs like the Rorters would be forced to develop their own juniors and Uncle Nicks paper bags would be rendered redundant in buying any more premierships.

That is so obvious and makes perfect sense, but it would mean teams like the Roosters and Broncos would no longer hold an advantage, so there’s no chance of it happening.

 

[Geo]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing

So players don’t want to come to the Tigers cos they don’t want to lose. But he loves it at the Dogs. Righto

Despite the bad season, Tigers in 2021 had 2 more wins than Bulldogs managed all of 2020 and 2021 combined.

How many good wins did we have, we preyed on injured teams in large part.

Do you get bonus points for a good win..?

 

[240z]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

I see no reason why it couldn’t work, but it won’t happen because the people with the power ($) don’t want it.

I don't think it would work, too many variables.


I submitted a paper (upgrades to the current 100 point system) to the Sydney Rugby Union on this a few months ago. I agree it is terribly difficult and will never work unless it is administered appropriately. For fun I used the same method on the Tigers and the Roosters. Very interesting results

What would you base your point allocations on?

Did they play junior football for the club - reduces points
Did they play 1st grade for another club - increases points
Did they play their first grade game at another club - small points increase
Did they play State of Origin - increases points
Did they play for Australia or another tier 1 country - increases points
Did they play play for a 2nd Tier country - increases points
How many games/years have they played for the club - gradually reduces points
Did father or siblings play for the club - reduces points
A marquee allowance for 1-2 players - reduces points
Did they come from another senior sport (rugby/atletics etc) - no point increase
There were others but I can't remember off the top of my head

Thats a few starting ideas - I know there are many issues with this but it was just an attempt to find a workable solution

When I did the comparison between the Tigers and Rooster, the Roosters points were @ double of the Tigers

 

[cochise]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

I see no reason why it couldn’t work, but it won’t happen because the people with the power ($) don’t want it.

I don't think it would work, too many variables.


I submitted a paper (upgrades to the current 100 point system) to the Sydney Rugby Union on this a few months ago. I agree it is terribly difficult and will never work unless it is administered appropriately. For fun I used the same method on the Tigers and the Roosters. Very interesting results

What would you base your point allocations on?


Did they play junior football for the club - reduces points
Did they play 1st grade for another club - increases points
Did they play their first grade game at another club - small points increase
Did they play State of Origin - increases points
Did they play for Australia or another tier 1 country - increases points
Did they play play for a 2nd Tier country - increases points
How many games/years have they played for the club - gradually reduces points
Did father or siblings play for the club - reduces points
A marquee allowance for 1-2 players - reduces points
Did they come from another senior sport (rugby/atletics etc) - no point increase
There were others but I can't remember off the top of my head

Thats a few starting ideas - I know there are many issues with this but it was just an attempt to find a workable solution

When I did the comparison between the Tigers and Rooster, the Roosters points were @ double of the Tigers

Points for internationals and origin are extremely problematic. There is also no mechanism in your allocation for differentiating skill level of players.

 

[Tiger913]

With all the latest talk about a certain 9 possibly coming from Canberra to the tigers,
has anyone got info if we have dropped out of trying to sign Api Koroisau ? Or was that just pure rumour ? I personally think premiership aside he has been one of the games best 9s for a good few years now and could easily help us get a few more wins.