Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TrueTiger]

People need to chill.

Of course Ivan will be in demand when he comes off contract, just like every other half-decent coach in the NRL.

If we have the money to make him a competitive offer, and are operating in a professional manner off the field, then we are in the box seat to re-sign him.

If not, then we will sign another coach, and life goes on.

I wonder if the broncos or storm fans went into meltdown each time Bennet or Bellamy were linked to another club.

Agreed. I read the story, doesn't say anything one way or the other about Tigers. A whole bunch of fans has taken this as an indicating that we aren't even in the running, then they're off making plans for 2021, "oh but what if Ivan signs elsewhere, do we punt him for 2020?" Blah blah blah

The bloke is barely over 1 year into a 3.5 year deal, and a club being interested in him, or even approaching him, doesn't really mean anything. You don't think every top coach or top player has all the clubs approaching the manager about their plans?

And besides, I'm concurrently reading a whole bunch of other threads where people are saying Ivan can't coach, he recruits OTH busted players, he subs poorly, he can't get a team motivated all season etc. etc. So are those folks happy for Broncos to take him off our hands?

Such over-reactions, I know it's a noisy few, but when did a single article or bit of social media rumour drive such real-world concerns? Knee-jerk supporting. Worry about what Ivan does when he chooses to do it.

Also ignores the 50 articles from earlier in the year about IC and NC wanting to play with each other and suggestions Nathan will join the Tigers.

I have to agree jirskyr,most managers start looking for their clients interest well before their current contract ends,they never try to leave things to the last minute as was shown by I.Moses in the last debacle..they are merely having a look at options,but once again it will be Ivans decision if he wants to leave…

The one thing I will say is that Ivan came here to stabilise the club and team,he has had most things his own way including recruits,I doubt he would leave during his contract and leave unfinished business behind..it doesnt seem to be his demenour...I dont know the exact circumstances in relation to the warriors,but I dont think he would have left of his own accord without finishing his contractual agreement...

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If we were lucky enough, Nathan may come here then there’d be no doubt that Ivan would stay.
But seriously , is there ONE person in this forum , that actually believes that a parent of a top young footballer would advise their son to come to WTs as we are at this moment?
Except if that person could see a major overhaul of most things involving the club,
Such an overhaul, as far as players are concerned, has been complicated by the purchase of a group of players that in most cases isn’t any better than those who were already here. But will still soak up cap space unless they can be persuaded to go.
But , who would take them?

Ivan is In the position to see what the future looks like here, (unlike us), and unless he can see some real furure here, he could only have one thing to say to Nathan , and that would be to go to the Roosters or Broncos , or any of the other top teams,(or Stay at Penrith)

I really don’t know one father that would say any different
And as far as I can see, I still can’t see any evidence that we can attract the type of players that would be needed to attract a player like Nathan,

 

[momo_amp_medo]

We just dont even seem to be in the race if you listen to the media in regard to the Clearys. Broncos and Roosters both going to offer whatever it takes, and you cant discount Gould/Panthers.
We dont even get a mention.

Which is the disheartening part. Might well be looking for a new coach yet again.

SIGH! You guys just kill me. Swallow another fish!

 

[balmain boy]

I have faith in the coach. We also have locked up our pathways from Concord to the Southern Highlands. I like the long term strategic approach.

Our last 2 months of footy have been poor which is the case when the whips start cracking our lack of talent shows. Effort can’t win games against better teams on paper when they are desperate. Sadly even the Titans, Raiders have more talent.

What's news on the pathways front? I really need something to cling to atm.

This only helps a bit. We need to focus on the kids in SW Sydney and make sure we secure the best young players there are. We would currently rank last out of all Sydney clubs in terms of both the attractiveness to prospective juniors and success rate in signing the best young local players.

As long as we keep losing the best local kids to the Roosters, Eels, Panthers etc it doesn't really matter about having a pathway for players in the southern highlands. The volume is vastly different.

It's good to cover regional areas - don't get me wrong but we need to get our backyard in order first.

Did it do us any good fostering young talent - get them to the point of some reward and someone else pinches them.

Why???

You just buy them like the Rorters. Cheaper in the long run.

I'm still waiting on us to poach other team's young guns. Why haven't we already started doing this? We've got the money, we've got openings in first grade. Yet nothing.

Half the young guns we'd be trying to poach are probably from SW Sydney anyway!

Twal perhaps the only one? But he wasn't even wanted at Parra.

I'd expect to see about 10 highly promising juniors joining us over the next few months

 

[tigerbenji]

Have a feeling we could make a move for Michael Jennings if Parra release him, As i said though just a feeling.

 

[vlad]

Was only last year that the Broncos were going to get Ash Taylor back but he extended his deal at the Titans instead .

 

[gallagher]

Have a feeling we could make a move for Michael Jennings if Parra release him, As i said though just a feeling.

He fits our criteria.

 

[balmain boy]

If people place so much stock in what gossip mongerering journos state then where's Holmes? Barba? Kelly? They have a strike rate of 1/50\. Who cares what a pisspot says?

 

[supercoach]

We just dont even seem to be in the race if you listen to the media in regard to the Clearys. Broncos and Roosters both going to offer whatever it takes, and you cant discount Gould/Panthers.
We dont even get a mention.

Which is the disheartening part. Might well be looking for a new coach yet again.

Actually heard from a guy who uses to work for a large sporting management company that the Gould/Penrith thing for the Cleary package is a real possibility. If so I hope Ivan takes some old broken players on big contracts with him. The fact that we have IC under contract till Nov 2020 helps our cause, but we all know contracts mean bugger all

 

[Geo]

People need to chill.

Of course Ivan will be in demand when he comes off contract, just like every other half-decent coach in the NRL.

If we have the money to make him a competitive offer, and are operating in a professional manner off the field, then we are in the box seat to re-sign him.

If not, then we will sign another coach, and life goes on.

I wonder if the broncos or storm fans went into meltdown each time Bennet or Bellamy were linked to another club.

Agreed. I read the story, doesn't say anything one way or the other about Tigers. A whole bunch of fans has taken this as an indicating that we aren't even in the running, then they're off making plans for 2021, "oh but what if Ivan signs elsewhere, do we punt him for 2020?" Blah blah blah

The bloke is barely over 1 year into a 3.5 year deal, and a club being interested in him, or even approaching him, doesn't really mean anything. You don't think every top coach or top player has all the clubs approaching the manager about their plans?

And besides, I'm concurrently reading a whole bunch of other threads where people are saying Ivan can't coach, he recruits OTH busted players, he subs poorly, he can't get a team motivated all season etc. etc. So are those folks happy for Broncos to take him off our hands?

Such over-reactions, I know it's a noisy few, but when did a single article or bit of social media rumour drive such real-world concerns? Knee-jerk supporting. Worry about what Ivan does when he chooses to do it.

Also ignores the 50 articles from earlier in the year about IC and NC wanting to play with each other and suggestions Nathan will join the Tigers.

The thing is these articles were not around early in the season when we were winning the massive amount of positive press was great even slothfield liked us…even if this is now a total fabrication ..it only serves to destabilise what was built early on..the past drama's at Wests Tigers are an attest to that..

As wrong as it may be perception is often reality....once again we are nearing basket case levels through lack of on field success...

Doubts raised over the future of the Coach does not make it easy to attract any sort of talent and round and round we go..

 

[Sunnycoast_tiger]

What's news on the pathways front? I really need something to cling to atm.

This only helps a bit. We need to focus on the kids in SW Sydney and make sure we secure the best young players there are. We would currently rank last out of all Sydney clubs in terms of both the attractiveness to prospective juniors and success rate in signing the best young local players.

As long as we keep losing the best local kids to the Roosters, Eels, Panthers etc it doesn't really matter about having a pathway for players in the southern highlands. The volume is vastly different.

It's good to cover regional areas - don't get me wrong but we need to get our backyard in order first.

Did it do us any good fostering young talent - get them to the point of some reward and someone else pinches them.

Why???

You just buy them like the Rorters. Cheaper in the long run.

I'm still waiting on us to poach other team's young guns. Why haven't we already started doing this? We've got the money, we've got openings in first grade. Yet nothing.

Half the young guns we'd be trying to poach are probably from SW Sydney anyway!

Twal perhaps the only one? But he wasn't even wanted at Parra.

I'd expect to see about 10 highly promising juniors joining us over the next few months

I hope your right about 10 highly promising juniors mate. We definitely need some good ones

 

[gallagher]

It would be a horrible career choice for Nathan to come here. Total mismanagement if he's been advised to.
The reality is that, if they want to join forces, it will be at another club or it will be in 10 years time when he's lost it.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

If Ritchie's reports are accurate and Ivan Cleary will abandon the bus in 2020 to link with his son at the Broncos he may well as go now as far as I'm concerned..

If its anywhere near accurate Pascoe needs to drag him into his office and sort this mess out. We have record membership and a swell of support.

This needs to be knocked on its head.

First question i would ask is what role has you and your sons ongoing contract rumours played in our mid season slump. have you started to lose the players respect?

100% agree. This will cause untold instability- especially since Ivan was so big with everyone being on the bus. If he had one foot out the door looking at the next stop, those that admired his stance will now see him as a hypocrite.
Pascoe MUST address and hose down this rumour immediately.

Also - if this does happen, my 50 years as a passionate, loyal RL supporter may come to an end. I’m just about over the same clubs dominating the NRL.

 

[jirskyr]

As wrong as it may be perception is often reality….once again we are nearing basket case levels through lack of on field success...

Doubts raised over the future of the Coach does not make it easy to attract any sort of talent and round and round we go..

Is not "basket case" reserved for off-field instability, not on-field results? Clubs that aren't winning football games aren't basketcases unless their off-field issues are to blame.

And also do you really believe your last sentence? Wayne Bennett was, per media, a very big chance of being let go and is still now under high uncertainty, but do Broncos struggle to attract talent because the future of the coach is up in the air?

Christ, Brad Arthur has got to be one of the most on-rocks coaches going around, didn't stop Parra signing Ferguson, Junior Paulo.

Money talks. Also, you ring Ivan and say "any truth to this Brisbane thing Ivan?" "No mate complete rubbish".

 

[swag_tiger]

Have a feeling we could make a move for Michael Jennings if Parra release him, As i said though just a feeling.

He fits our criteria.

Would mind Jennings at the Tigers.

 

[Geo]

As wrong as it may be perception is often reality….once again we are nearing basket case levels through lack of on field success...

Doubts raised over the future of the Coach does not make it easy to attract any sort of talent and round and round we go..

Is not "basket case" reserved for off-field instability, not on-field results? Clubs that aren't winning football games aren't basketcases unless their off-field issues are to blame.

And also do you really believe your last sentence? Wayne Bennett was, per media, a very big chance of being let go and is still now under high uncertainty, but do Broncos struggle to attract talent because the future of the coach is up in the air?

Christ, Brad Arthur has got to be one of the most on-rocks coaches going around, didn't stop Parra signing Ferguson, Junior Paulo.

Money talks. Also, you ring Ivan and say "any truth to this Brisbane thing Ivan?" "No mate complete rubbish".

Yet Wests Tigers snared Oliver Clark…wooooooooo

 

[magpiecol]

Some of you people should stop listening to every rumour about our club. Just relax. What will be will be.

You are becoming unhinged.

 

[Geo]

Some of you people should stop listening to every rumour about our club. Just relax. What will be will be.

You are becoming unhinged.

Parra signed the Morris twins yet Col..?

 

[jirskyr]

IBut seriously , is there ONE person in this forum , that actually believes that a parent of a top young footballer would advise their son to come to WTs as we are at this moment?
Except if that person could see a major overhaul of most things involving the club,
Such an overhaul, as far as players are concerned, has been complicated by the purchase of a group of players that in most cases isn’t any better than those who were already here. But will still soak up cap space unless they can be persuaded to go.
But , who would take them?

Ivan is In the position to see what the future looks like here, (unlike us), and unless he can see some real furure here, he could only have one thing to say to Nathan , and that would be to go to the Roosters or Broncos , or any of the other top teams,(or Stay at Penrith)

I really don’t know one father that would say any different
And as far as I can see, I still can’t see any evidence that we can attract the type of players that would be needed to attract a player like Nathan,

"Dad, Tigers have offered me $1.1M to go there, 3 years."
"No mate they are a basket-case, take the $750K at the Roosters, a true winning club. You are only 22, you can earn that $350K per year some other how."

Not going to happen. If you are a top young footballer, you strike where the money is. Premierships etc., you can think about that more as your career develops, but your first concern is to maximise your earnings in case of drop in form, major injuries etc.

Money talks, it's about money as much as anything.

Also why would Ivan, as Tigers coach, advise his son not to join Tigers? How does that conversation go? "No mate I have no idea what I'm doing here, join the Roosters. Maybe as a package deal, I can take my lack of knowledge with you to the Roosters as well."

 

[Geo]

We apparently have bucket loads of money in the Cap…and if we don't..it's again a total mis management of it given the current roster..