Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Geo]

We probably still paying Bryce Gibbs.. :laughing:

I think Col was also asleep when Robbie Farah went to Souff's..

I'll could use lay off the Cool Aid chestnut and I will..

 

[iofthetigers]

payout may not be a problem as I’ve heard Toronto or England are possibilities but there is still plenty of football this year (he’s not yet off the bus this is from someone related to him)

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

The fact that McQueen is even mentioned as moving on is a positive. We are clearly looking at moving on the prices that no longer fit.

 

[TCL]

Listen up, it's not brain surgery.

If a player requests a release from his contract, a club can refuse his request and continue to pay said player.

If the club grants his request the players contract is null and void ie there is no longer a contract.

Therefore as there is no contract between the club and the player there is no obligation to pay said player any money.

Get it?

:brick: :brick:

Your right.
And the player needs to be released from his current contract before he can sign a new one.
So why do clubs still end up paying money for said player even after they have signed a NEW contract?

If club try's to offload the player and the buying club isn't willing to match or exceed the existing contract then the selling club has to pay the difference. Of course subject to the player wanting to go and the NRL registering the agreement.

Ah, but my point not in regards to moving a player on but when a player looks to move on.
Like Adam Blair with us.
If the process that takes place is for the player to approach the club seeking a release and the club granting it thus ends the current contract with the club.
Why should it matter where or how the player is going to the next club?

His current contract is finished.

Why would any club agree to pay any money once they have already closed the contract.

The process contradicts itself.
The player leaving obviously has something lined up or in the Panthers and Sharks case, the clubs obviously have something lined up.
So why does an official release from the current contract need to be granted? Why can’t a contract be transferred to the new club removing the amount from the old clubs cap and adding it onto the new clubs cap?

And why did we pay part of Blair’s salary for 2 years????

If a player wants to leave a club, the player has to ask for a release from his contract. If the club agrees the contract is terminated by both consenting parties and no sums are owed.

Now that's not to say that in all cases it works out that simply but, that is the baseline.

Given that many of us are not privy to the contract terms between player/club and the subsequent termination agreement its hard to say what the real outcome is or will be for any given player or club.

 

[iofthetigers]

He hasn’t been asked to leave & still may not it is his manager exploring his options it is not uncommon, the Jack Bird situation is nearly the same except Newcastle are ready to go all in on him hence why they are willing to shop Watson around.

 

[The_Patriot]

Maybe just maybe this whole McQueen thing is a beat up because he isnt getting a lot of game time and is a bit out of favour.

Sounds like one of those join the dots rumours

 

[Nelson]

Jack Hetherington at Penrith looks a decent prospect and they're pretty deep on forwards with RCG, Tamou, Merrin, Leota, Yeo, Kikau, Fisher-Harris, Harawira-Naera etc. Hetherington looks like he's off contract at the end of the year. 6 offloads over the last 2 weeks along with 4 tackle breaks (which is alright for a prop). 12 runs for 149m against the Warriors and 8 runs for 95m against the Sharks for an average/run of 12.2 metres (and that's without any line breaks and only 2 kick returns).

 

[fergiefurr]

**OFF CONTRACT 2018**
Robbie Farah - should be resigned for another year, mentor Liddle however hopefully we sign Lichaa or Segyaro as well as I don't believe Liddle has the steel to become a first grader. Hope I'm wrong.

Heath Gibbs - Gone. Homesick and returned to Newcastle. Hasn't been publicised though. Small contract $ wise anyway.

Pita Godinet - Garbage player. Should not be resigned under any circumstance. Offers nothing. He can go to super league or play park footy elsewhere. We don't want him and we don't need him.

Benji Marshall - Ball is in his court… He might not wanna play another year. Has a young family so has prioritises elsewhere and could pursue a media career, very likeable personality and a tigers legend.

Sam MCINTYRE - Haven't seen enough. Development player. Not sure if he's worth keeping. Anyone have any thoughts?

Thomas Mikaele - NSW cup contract for sure. Worth developing further. Showed more than JJ felise.

Dylan Smith - NSW cup contract should be offered. Not a super star but worth keeping around for cup.

Sauaso Sue - I'd keep him for state cup but he's very average. If he can get a good deal elsewhere he should take it. Not a first grader and shouldn't see any game time going further for mine.

Malakai Watene-Zelezniak - gone. No big deal.

McIntyre and Mikaele are in the top squad for next year, Smith still here on development

 

[JD Tiger]

**OFF CONTRACT 2018**
Robbie Farah - should be resigned for another year, mentor Liddle however hopefully we sign Lichaa or Segyaro as well as I don't believe Liddle has the steel to become a first grader. Hope I'm wrong.

Heath Gibbs - Gone. Homesick and returned to Newcastle. Hasn't been publicised though. Small contract $ wise anyway.

Pita Godinet - Garbage player. Should not be resigned under any circumstance. Offers nothing. He can go to super league or play park footy elsewhere. We don't want him and we don't need him.

Benji Marshall - Ball is in his court… He might not wanna play another year. Has a young family so has prioritises elsewhere and could pursue a media career, very likeable personality and a tigers legend.

Sam MCINTYRE - Haven't seen enough. Development player. Not sure if he's worth keeping. Anyone have any thoughts?

Thomas Mikaele - NSW cup contract for sure. Worth developing further. Showed more than JJ felise.

Dylan Smith - NSW cup contract should be offered. Not a super star but worth keeping around for cup.

Sauaso Sue - I'd keep him for state cup but he's very average. If he can get a good deal elsewhere he should take it. Not a first grader and shouldn't see any game time going further for mine.

Malakai Watene-Zelezniak - gone. No big deal.

McIntyre and Mikaele are in the top squad for next year, Smith still here on development

I read somewhere that if a team has development players for 2 years or more, than when they join the top 30 squad for that team, they are discounted. If that's true, wouldn't mind them having another year as a development player (unless they are ready for first grade and/or may be snapped up elsewhere, in that case promote them definitely)

 

[851]

We probably still paying Bryce Gibbs.. :laughing:

I think Col was also asleep when Robbie Farah went to Souff's..

I'll could use lay off the Cool Aid chestnut and I will..

Farah was driven out by the idiot coach, he wanted to stay, Siro, Brown and Takarangi were also paid for by us because of the same said coach. If those deals were done properly the players would not have cost us anything.
Cleary is way smarter than JT, so he will get us a swap or no cost to club deals for our players.

 

[jirskyr]

There is risk. It doesn’t sound like his able to do enough to get back into the squad.
The question is with both players yet to again play to their potential.
What does the squad need more for next year?
A worker backrower, impact not their strongest suit, defends and can run lines well
Or
A very skilful ball playing prop whom probably isn’t the fittest or toughest going around.
We are not getting a line busting impact player from either.

What I'll say to that is - McQueen is here now, has been through the system for a year and not produced much to be excited about.

Latu hasn't been here at all, so we can only speculate how he might go in the Tigers system. Some might say better the devil you know, but I think we are seeing the max output from McQueen and it's average without being horrible. I'd rather a transfer and testing luck on someone new.

 

[yeti]

Clearly McQueen isn't in the mix for a regular starting 17 spot at the moment. Another off season may see him regain some of his mojo but I don't think he'd be missed to be honest. Let him go if he can find another gig.
He's on pretty decent coin for a guy who doesn't really look to be threatening to break into the top grade.

 

[Needaname]

Your right.
And the player needs to be released from his current contract before he can sign a new one.
So why do clubs still end up paying money for said player even after they have signed a NEW contract?

If club try's to offload the player and the buying club isn't willing to match or exceed the existing contract then the selling club has to pay the difference. Of course subject to the player wanting to go and the NRL registering the agreement.

Ah, but my point not in regards to moving a player on but when a player looks to move on.
Like Adam Blair with us.
If the process that takes place is for the player to approach the club seeking a release and the club granting it thus ends the current contract with the club.
Why should it matter where or how the player is going to the next club?

His current contract is finished.

Why would any club agree to pay any money once they have already closed the contract.

The process contradicts itself.
The player leaving obviously has something lined up or in the Panthers and Sharks case, the clubs obviously have something lined up.
So why does an official release from the current contract need to be granted? Why can’t a contract be transferred to the new club removing the amount from the old clubs cap and adding it onto the new clubs cap?

And why did we pay part of Blair’s salary for 2 years????

If a player wants to leave a club, the player has to ask for a release from his contract. If the club agrees the contract is terminated by both consenting parties and no sums are owed.

Now that's not to say that in all cases it works out that simply but, that is the baseline.

Given that many of us are not privy to the contract terms between player/club and the subsequent termination agreement its hard to say what the real outcome is or will be for any given player or club.

Ain’t that the truth.
I’ve lost track on who we would be talking about in this instance.
If it’s in regards to Tui, I’m pretty sure 200,000 pound would be more than his current contract so you’d think we’ll be relived of his salary in the upcoming year caps?

 

[Geo]

We probably still paying Bryce Gibbs.. :laughing:

I think Col was also asleep when Robbie Farah went to Souff's..

I'll could use lay off the Cool Aid chestnut and I will..

Farah was driven out by the idiot coach, he wanted to stay, Siro, Brown and Takarangi were also paid for by us because of the same said coach. If those deals were done properly the players would not have cost us anything.
Cleary is way smarter than JT, so he will get us a swap or no cost to club deals for our players.

but but they asked for a release…

 

[Harvey]

Hearing player swap for Leilani Latu who Cleary signed for Penrith in 2014 currently playing Q Cup and can’t get into the pack rotation at the Titans.

Player swap for Bryce Cartwright

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does anyone really want our club paying 300-350k for him to play somewhere else? I thought we weren’t going to do that anymore.

We don't have to pay anything if McQueen asks for a release..

That old chestnut!!!

Listen up, it's not brain surgery.

If a player requests a release from his contract, a club can refuse his request and continue to pay said player.

If the club grants his request the players contract is null and void ie there is no longer a contract.

Therefore as there is no contract between the club and the player there is no obligation to pay said player any money.

Get it?

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Thank you for your pearls of wisdom Col.

However, you did gloss over one important detail. Would the Titans be willing to pay full price, or would they rather Wests cough up some coin over the next 2 years. It depends on how keen Wests are to offload him, and how prepared the Titans are to play hard ball.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

With us zero chance of signing a top notch player at the height of their game we should be looking at players who are road blocked at the good clubs, or players who are In the top 17 at good clubs who are on average money because of salary cap constraints. We need some big fast and competitive players …both forwards and backs.

I know easier said than done, but their must be some real quality at clubs like Penrith,Sharks, Storm,Chooks and Dragons caught in a road block. A bloke like Joe Stimson at the Storm is one who comes to mind. Okay they might be under contract, but contracts can be broken

Hoffman retires at the end of the year though and Stimson is probably a fair chance of partnering Kaufusi in the 2nd row at Melbourne next year.

is he related to the legend Mark Stimson? If he is maybe we have a chance to get him. i remember Mark Stimson's comeback game in reserve grade after his accident losing 4 toes and doing a forward flip for a try in reserve grade. Great day.

Yes, he is Mark Stimson's nephew. Peter Stimson, who played a few games for South, is his father. There is another Stimson playing at St Gregs, which almost certainly means he won't be playing for WTs.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Some bloke in reserve grade who looked ok a few years ago.
Why am I not excited?

Our recruitment team will be salivating. That’s our bread and butter.

Not playing first grade
Used to show promise
History of injury

Tick, tick, tick.

Hey, here’s an idea: why don’t we try to recruit first grade players in their prime. Worth a try??

Frig me dead - surely it’s not that hard

 

[TYGA]

Hearing player swap for Leilani Latu who Cleary signed for Penrith in 2014 currently playing Q Cup and can’t get into the pack rotation at the Titans.

Player swap for Bryce Cartwright

I read Manly wants him. Barret and his uncle are mates.

 

[The_Patriot]

With us zero chance of signing a top notch player at the height of their game we should be looking at players who are road blocked at the good clubs, or players who are In the top 17 at good clubs who are on average money because of salary cap constraints. We need some big fast and competitive players …both forwards and backs.

I know easier said than done, but their must be some real quality at clubs like Penrith,Sharks, Storm,Chooks and Dragons caught in a road block. A bloke like Joe Stimson at the Storm is one who comes to mind. Okay they might be under contract, but contracts can be broken

Hoffman retires at the end of the year though and Stimson is probably a fair chance of partnering Kaufusi in the 2nd row at Melbourne next year.

is he related to the legend Mark Stimson? If he is maybe we have a chance to get him. i remember Mark Stimson's comeback game in reserve grade after his accident losing 4 toes and doing a forward flip for a try in reserve grade. Great day.

Yes, he is Mark Stimson's nephew. Peter Stimson, who played a few games for South, is his father. There is another Stimson playing at St Gregs, which almost certainly means he won't be playing for WTs.

As someone who doesnt understand why we dont have a formal partnership with St gregs why does it almost certainly mean he wont be playing for WT's?

What am i missing here