Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

The club is definitely looking at our pathways to improve the development of that talent. That was why both Palmer and Hodgo were put into roles to improve the coaching and development in our pathways before players even enter the Wests Tigers system. I believe the club wants to get former players like Farah involved at this level as well to help keep youngsters in our pathway systems.

I really like the club we are building at present and hopefully that starts to translate into onfield success in 2021.

 

[earl]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

This is the problem with the approach that we are taking. I worry about people's expectations in relation to next year. There is no way all the players we've bought will come good.

 

[happy_tiger]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

The club is definitely looking at our pathways to improve the development of that talent. That was why both Palmer and Hodgo were put into roles to improve the coaching and development in our pathways before players even enter the Wests Tigers system. I believe the club wants to get former players like Farah involved at this level as well to help keep youngsters in our pathway systems.

I really like the club we are building at present and hopefully that starts to translate into onfield success in 2021.

I've seen nothing so far proving to me that Palmer is the bees knees in regards to sending potential to the next level ...Brooks has gone backwards as far as the biggest example I could use

 

[happy_tiger]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

This is the problem with the approach that we are taking. I worry about people's expectations in relation to next year. There is no way all the players we've bought will come good.

Bigger concern is even if they are good can we develop them and build a side around them that will attract the final pieces of the puzzle

 

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

The club is definitely looking at our pathways to improve the development of that talent. That was why both Palmer and Hodgo were put into roles to improve the coaching and development in our pathways before players even enter the Wests Tigers system. I believe the club wants to get former players like Farah involved at this level as well to help keep youngsters in our pathway systems.

I really like the club we are building at present and hopefully that starts to translate into onfield success in 2021.

I've seen nothing so far proving to me that Palmer is the bees knees in regards to sending potential to the next level ...Brooks has gone backwards as far as the biggest example I could use

His role is not so much about working with players, he is there to train up trainers and coaches on the expectations when entering an NRL program. It is so those coaches and trainers can prepare players to be in an NRL squad. So players enter the Wests Tigers program already knowing how to train, how to eat and how to prepare as a professional athlete.

 

[BAGNF05]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

They lose them all the time. They lost Inglis, Korobiete, JAC, Tino etc. As soon as other clubs offer more money they let them go.

They get it right though consistently which is the hard part.

It's not easy developing a good team and it's hard to keep them. Melbourne to it better than anyone because of their ability to get top tier junior talent and keep the right ones consistently enough. When they want overs and they aren't critical players they let them go.

Or they chuck in a boat

 

[Tiger5150]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

The club is definitely looking at our pathways to improve the development of that talent. That was why both Palmer and Hodgo were put into roles to improve the coaching and development in our pathways before players even enter the Wests Tigers system. I believe the club wants to get former players like Farah involved at this level as well to help keep youngsters in our pathway systems.

I really like the club we are building at present and hopefully that starts to translate into onfield success in 2021.

I've seen nothing so far proving to me that Palmer is the bees knees in regards to sending potential to the next level ...Brooks has gone backwards as far as the biggest example I could use

I kinda agree with you, but Ronnie has a lifetime (and a half) of development of fitness and work ethic. If nothing else, he would be an experienced voice of "what is required" to make it.

 

[earl]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

This is the problem with the approach that we are taking. I worry about people's expectations in relation to next year. There is no way all the players we've bought will come good.

Bigger concern is even if they are good can we develop them and build a side around them that will attract the final pieces of the puzzle

I'm not a massive fan of there being special requirements to develop talent. We developed Tedesco. He would have been a great player wherever he went and whatever club he came from.

I think talent trumps everything. I look at Maradona coked out of his brain and I've never seen a sportsman compete on the highest stage to such a high level.

I think the issue is more about being patient with the right players.

I think it's more about retaining the right ones. So you have to let some players go.

 

[tony soprano]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

They lose them all the time. They lost Inglis, Korobiete, JAC, Tino etc. As soon as other clubs offer more money they let them go.

They get it right though consistently which is the hard part.

It's not easy developing a good team and it's hard to keep them. Melbourne to it better than anyone because of their ability to get top tier junior talent and keep the right ones consistently enough. When they want overs and they aren't critical players they let them go.

Your right why do they get out of bed in the morning

 

[earl]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

They lose them all the time. They lost Inglis, Korobiete, JAC, Tino etc. As soon as other clubs offer more money they let them go.

They get it right though consistently which is the hard part.

It's not easy developing a good team and it's hard to keep them. Melbourne to it better than anyone because of their ability to get top tier junior talent and keep the right ones consistently enough. When they want overs and they aren't critical players they let them go.

Or they chuck in a boat

Exactly. The problem is some clubs (typically the top performing clubs) have a magic way to retain or recruit players for less. You can believe that players are doing this out of the goodness of their heart or the great culture at the club or that they chuck in a few extras. I think the extras help a fair bit.

 

[BAGNF05]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

They lose them all the time. They lost Inglis, Korobiete, JAC, Tino etc. As soon as other clubs offer more money they let them go.

They get it right though consistently which is the hard part.

It's not easy developing a good team and it's hard to keep them. Melbourne to it better than anyone because of their ability to get top tier junior talent and keep the right ones consistently enough. When they want overs and they aren't critical players they let them go.

Or they chuck in a boat

Exactly. The problem is some clubs (typically the top performing clubs) have a magic way to retain or recruit players for less. You can believe that players are doing this out of the goodness of their heart or the great culture at the club or that they chuck in a few extras. I think the extras help a fair bit.

Honestly mate our game is in a horrendous state. Maybe the best ever player just walked away from the game without any fanfare, largely because he’s hated by the masses because he played for a club that cheated the cap. He may not have even been complicit but the whole system stinks.

 

[Tiger5150]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

This is the problem with the approach that we are taking. I worry about people's expectations in relation to next year. There is no way all the players we've bought will come good.

Bigger concern is even if they are good can we develop them and build a side around them that will attract the final pieces of the puzzle

I'm not a massive fan of there being special requirements to develop talent. We developed Tedesco. He would have been a great player wherever he went and whatever club he came from.

I think talent trumps everything. I look at Maradona coked out of his brain and I've never seen a sportsman compete on the highest stage to such a high level.

I think the issue is more about being patient with the right players.

I think it's more about retaining the right ones. So you have to let some players go.

We had a huge head start with Teddy that he was a local junior, but I can tell you from an impeccable source (family member) that it has ALWAYS been a struggle to keep Teddy.

Although our potential junior base is pretty good it is shrinking both in terms of geographically and participation wise. We cant rely on elite quality juniors coming through the system.

 

[JayT]

You might have a point but also just playing for a premiership contender is a drawcard, its worth money, its the same in any sport, NBA, good players leave the team I support to teams like Lakers to win. Like Shaq etc. For their profile. Winning premierships is like additional coin. The lower teams generally have to offer more money to make it worthwhile playing for a battling club.

 

[happy_tiger]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

This is the problem with the approach that we are taking. I worry about people's expectations in relation to next year. There is no way all the players we've bought will come good.

Bigger concern is even if they are good can we develop them and build a side around them that will attract the final pieces of the puzzle

I'm not a massive fan of there being special requirements to develop talent. We developed Tedesco. He would have been a great player wherever he went and whatever club he came from.

I think talent trumps everything. I look at Maradona coked out of his brain and I've never seen a sportsman compete on the highest stage to such a high level.

I think the issue is more about being patient with the right players.

I think it's more about retaining the right ones. So you have to let some players go.

how often do Tedescos vome along

 

[earl]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

This is the problem with the approach that we are taking. I worry about people's expectations in relation to next year. There is no way all the players we've bought will come good.

Bigger concern is even if they are good can we develop them and build a side around them that will attract the final pieces of the puzzle

I'm not a massive fan of there being special requirements to develop talent. We developed Tedesco. He would have been a great player wherever he went and whatever club he came from.

I think talent trumps everything. I look at Maradona coked out of his brain and I've never seen a sportsman compete on the highest stage to such a high level.

I think the issue is more about being patient with the right players.

I think it's more about retaining the right ones. So you have to let some players go.

how often do Tedescos vome along

Unfortunately not very often. Interestingly we were still ordinary with him here. Rugby league isn't a game like basketball where individual players can really pull a dud team up.

 

[BAGNF05]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

This is the problem with the approach that we are taking. I worry about people's expectations in relation to next year. There is no way all the players we've bought will come good.

Bigger concern is even if they are good can we develop them and build a side around them that will attract the final pieces of the puzzle

I'm not a massive fan of there being special requirements to develop talent. We developed Tedesco. He would have been a great player wherever he went and whatever club he came from.

I think talent trumps everything. I look at Maradona coked out of his brain and I've never seen a sportsman compete on the highest stage to such a high level.

I think the issue is more about being patient with the right players.

I think it's more about retaining the right ones. So you have to let some players go.

how often do Tedescos vome along

Unfortunately not very often. Interestingly we were still ordinary with him here. Rugby league isn't a game like basketball where individual players can really pull a dud team up.

Woodsy was on his Pat Malone in the forwards when Teddy was a Tiger. If we had a more dynamic forward I think we would have been top 8.

 

[twentyforty]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

But we won't know for 3 years at least if he is or isn't ...and even then have we got the people to then develop that talent ??

The club is definitely looking at our pathways to improve the development of that talent. That was why both Palmer and Hodgo were put into roles to improve the coaching and development in our pathways before players even enter the Wests Tigers system. I believe the club wants to get former players like Farah involved at this level as well to help keep youngsters in our pathway systems.

I really like the club we are building at present and hopefully that starts to translate into onfield success in 2021.

I've seen nothing so far proving to me that Palmer is the bees knees in regards to sending potential to the next level ...Brooks has gone backwards as far as the biggest example I could use


I kinda agree with you, but Ronnie has a lifetime (and a half) of development of fitness and work ethic. If nothing else, he would be an experienced voice of "what is required" to make it.

Agree, it’s great to have Ronnie back. He brings a truckload of experience, firstly as a player and trainer. That’s what he knows.

 

[earl]

Woodsy was on his Pat Malone in the forwards when Teddy was a Tiger. If we had a more dynamic forward I think we would have been top 8.

The point being you need a good team and not just a superstar. We had a fair few players. I think if we could have retained them and built around them we would have made the 8.

The problem is those guys were just after maximum dollars and you can't build a team with people like that.

 

[BAGNF05]

Woodsy was on his Pat Malone in the forwards when Teddy was a Tiger. If we had a more dynamic forward I think we would have been top 8.

The point being you need a good team and not just a superstar. We had a fair few players. I think if we could have retained them and built around them we would have made the 8.

The problem is those guys were just after maximum dollars and you can't build a team with people like that.

Yeah, your senior group really needs to understand and preach that it’s bigger than any one person. I think League is the ultimate team game and without leaders driving that ethos you are on a hiding to nothing. I was a big fan of a guy like Beau Scott a while back, no superstar but you knew what he’d give you every single week. Dale Finucane would be my first picked if we had a choice.

 

[BAGNF05]

You might have a point but also just playing for a premiership contender is a drawcard, its worth money, its the same in any sport, NBA, good players leave the team I support to teams like Lakers to win. Like Shaq etc. For their profile. Winning premierships is like additional coin. The lower teams generally have to offer more money to make it worthwhile playing for a battling club.

Correct. We are becoming more and more like America where players are their own brand much like clubs are. Not saying I like it BTW.