Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Russell]

Another thing with simpkin is that he hasnt played footy in a long time...harry came off a year of CC

He's barely even played reserve grade. People want to throw him in early and will be disappointed and attack him when he's not an instant star. Gotta let him play against men in reserves for a few weeks at least before putting him in top grade there's no rush

People can't expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can't remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

Maybe not talent wise but I see a lot of the Tyson Gamble scenario in what people want to do with Simpkin.

Gamble was touted to be a real good prospect whilst playing in QLD, came to Tigers, played cc for a little while and then they shoved him into the NRL (not much of a team at the time) side to play Canberra in the Capital.

Our team was pathetic and was thrashed; Gamble had no experience of NRL and was crucified by all and sundry.

Never played NRL for us again, was let go - selected in the NRL again (for Donkeys I think) - injured before the game and still has not played another NRL game.

Keep pushing for Simpkin to play NRL too soon boys. Makes it all the easier for our No. 1 DH to permanently seal his spot.

Go get 'em Jake.

 

[JC99]

Another thing with simpkin is that he hasnt played footy in a long time...harry came off a year of CC

He's barely even played reserve grade. People want to throw him in early and will be disappointed and attack him when he's not an instant star. Gotta let him play against men in reserves for a few weeks at least before putting him in top grade there's no rush

People can't expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can't remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

Maybe not talent wise but I see a lot of the Tyson Gamble scenario in what people want to do with Simpkin.

Gamble was touted to be a real good prospect whilst playing in QLD, came to Tigers, played cc for a little while and then they shoved him into the NRL (not much of a team at the time) side to play Canberra in the Capital.

Our team was pathetic and was thrashed; Gamble had no experience of NRL and was crucified by all and sundry.

Never played NRL for us again, was let go - selected in the NRL again (for Donkeys I think) - injured before the game and still has not played another NRL game.

Keep pushing for Simpkin to play NRL too soon boys. Makes it all the easier for our No. 1 DH to permanently seal his spot.

Go get 'em Jake.

Yeah Gamble got a lot of unwarranted hate that night. Don't think it has to be a battle of Liddle vs Simpkin both can play a role in our team we just don't need to have mega expectations of a kid who's barely played reserves.

 

[Russell]

People can’t expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can’t remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

I agree that people are unrealistic expecting Jake Simpkin to be Harry Grant Mark 2 in 2021.

I have never seen Simpkin play and so I don't know what to expect. But one thing we need to consider when comparing the two is that Harry was 22 when he debuted with us. Jake turned 19 last October.

Harry had three years more footy under his belt than Jake when he turned out for us and, Jake played virtually no footy last year.

I think we need to temper our expectations when it comes to Jake.

In all honesty though how much of Harry grant did u see before we through him in our first grade team? I seen a couple of games where he came of the bench which isn’t a hell of a lot of first grade experience! These young kids (j.Simpkin) have been playing against other kids who are the same size as first graders and have a lot more passion because they are trying to break through! For our coaching staff to be impressed and saying he will be in the 17 he must have what it takes. It’s like when ur applying for a job these days everyone wants experience but u can’t get that because no one will give u a crack. I think he looks ready and clearly madge and co think the same! We can’t not play young players because they don’t have the experience and it’s just hype! Clearly it’s not just hype when our coaching staff say he’s a real talent and so does a lot of other commentators and scouts etc ! I do believe liddle should get first crack but I also think if we through j.Simpkin in he would have no dramas killing it for us just like Harry did to an extent

I don't think anyone has said Simpkin is too small.

However bones and bodies of young guys take time to develop, no matter how big you are.

Play too early and you end up with injuries like Liddle and Marshall - I think their coaching staff at the time thought they were ready. However they could have ruined their careers and I'm sure the same could be said for many young guys that were thrown to the wolves.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

I think Liddle’s record with injuries is why people are hesitant to support him. Much like Kyle Stanley with the Dragons.

Meanwhile you have a kid who has a lot of wraps on him waiting in the wings.

No point comparing Simpkins to Harry Grant as Harry has set a high benchmark. However, Simpkins deserves a shot on the field. Then let’s see how he goes.

Usually when there are wraps on these young guys it is for good reason so here is hoping.

 

[boonboon]

If Liddle goes down injured in the trial or training then we are asking a 19 yr old with one NSW cup game to play 80 mins of NRL every week. We will sign another hooker before the season starts as we need another one

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

If Liddle goes down injured in the trial or training then we are asking a 19 yr old with one NSW cup game to play 80 mins of NRL every week. We will sign another hooker before the season starts as we need another one

Correct. And if he is lame then play Mbye as a last resort. Or sign Isaac Luke or Nathan Peats

 

[sleeve]

There are a small number of players who played young and sustained injuries as did many senior players,who can determine it was their youth or underdevloped body that was the reason ?The vast majority of players that played at a young age and played with minimum major injuries would far outweigh a very few who did get injuries which could be attributed to many things.Sport science has come a long way,and the professional staff at the club would be aware of the development required to play 1st grade.Old tales abound on this forum and i am as guilt as the next guy ,but unless some statistical proof exists,i'll trust the coaching staff.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

There are a small number of players who played young and sustained injuries as did many senior players,who can determine it was their youth or underdevloped body that was the reason ?The vast majority of players that played at a young age and played with minimum major injuries would far outweigh a very few who did get injuries which could be attributed to many things.Sport science has come a long way,and the professional staff at the club would be aware of the development required to play 1st grade.Old tales abound on this forum and i am as guilt as the next guy ,but unless some statistical proof exists,i'll trust the coaching staff.

100%

 

[balmain boy]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

I presume you mean 18th man. And I agree. A handy player to name on Tuesdays but after the first few weeks of the season shouldn't be expecting to see much NRL action.

 

[balmain boy]

Another thing with simpkin is that he hasnt played footy in a long time...harry came off a year of CC

He's barely even played reserve grade. People want to throw him in early and will be disappointed and attack him when he's not an instant star. Gotta let him play against men in reserves for a few weeks at least before putting him in top grade there's no rush

People can't expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can't remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

Who's expecting Grant 2.0? No one. Saying he's good enough to play 20 mins off the bench is d very different to expecting him to start every week

 

[sleeve]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Momo,Douiehie,Mbye all had a go and all were poor,if Laurie fails,which i doubt or gets injured we are in the same position as last year.Fullback is crucial we need to either upgrade or buy someone who can do a reasonble job if he gets injured.All spine players should have a backup.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

 

[Harvey]

Seumanufagai to the dogs. Damn thought we had him.

 

[sleeve]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

What do you mean by disloyal? In what regard?

 

[weststigerman]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

I presume you mean 18th man. And I agree. A handy player to name on Tuesdays but after the first few weeks of the season shouldn't be expecting to see much NRL action.

Given the amount of injuries and suspensions that happen every year I think he’ll be in the top 17 every week.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

What do you mean by disloyal? In what regard?

After a year you kick them to the curb.That’s disloyal. These kids come into the hope that they will be developed and have time to develop .

 

[bathursttiger1]

Seumanufagai to the dogs. Damn thought we had him.

Geez the Dogs are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel now.

 

[Tiger5150]

Seumanufagai to the dogs. Damn thought we had him.


Geez the Dogs are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel now.

Possibly grabbing Ava on the cheap with the view to sending Napa to Pamfers for Burton swap.

 

[rihannafan1]

Seumanufagai to the dogs. Damn thought we had him.


Geez the Dogs are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel now.


Possibly grabbing Ava on the cheap with the view to sending Napa to Pamfers for Burton swap.

At which point you ask yourself what is the point of the contract system they have now, if if every player is just gonna ask for a release a year out?

If V'landys can rush through everything else why can't he fix that aspect of the game?

 

[TigerWest]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

What do you mean by disloyal? In what regard?

After a year you kick them to the curb.That’s disloyal. These kids come into the hope that they will be developed and have time to develop .

Are you serious? Yes it’s a dog eat dog environment, but they don’t have the time or money to look to keep everyone.
TBH, the fact they are here, is feat in it self?
Though I would be sure, that some great players have slipped through the gaps? That’s life.