Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[851]

From the mouth of a tigers board member. Madge asked the club about Folau over the off season and it was an unequivical NO. The chairman is a lawyer and a businessman and knows its anrgument he doesent want to be involved in given many players and supporters are religious but the club will not be signing Folau

There was an article saying there was drama with a board member leaving anyone know anything about that?

I’m no lawyer but if a nrl club gave him a contract think it would be hard for nrl to refuse. He’s no criminal. He’s a footballer who cares about all the other crap.

He’s done nothing wrong at the nrl as yet.


It was Mick Lubinskas - he didn't leave - he was ousted from the board. The conspiracy theory is that Mick who is very pro magpies stated at the AGM that there was no way Wests Magpies would be re branded as Wests Tigers in NSW Cup or RMC while he was there. A week later he was ousted from the board of Wests Tigers and also as chairman of WS Magpies. There has been no official announcement from WT, WSM or Wests Ahfield as to why he was ousted.

Sounds like the Board got it right to me.

Of course it would to you - that doesn't surprise me.

What are you talking about?

I don't have surprise you at all, don't read my posts. Simples

Are we Wests Tigers or are we still a 50/50 i.e. Half Wests Tigers and half Wests Magpies?

Thought we had got past that.

We are not a 50/50 JV, not even close, Balmain haven’t paid anything for a long time, Wests own 90%, could’ve been 100% as Balmain pay nothing. So that is why we have Wests Magpies as a reserve grade team

 

[851]

if the naysayers are watching this WE NEED REYNOLDS

Naysayers ? That’s an interesting way to look at it . I saw a guy get to his kicks , and shift early to benji and Lattrell .
I didn’t see anything worth 1 mil a year . Which is what it would cost .

Would it? $1.4 mill over 2 years is the current offer.

He'd be worth that.

What do we do with brooks ? Offload to the boys ? Also what do we do in 2024 ? Is madden gonna wait ? Is there a junior coming through ? Not saying I hate it . Just there’s a lot to sort out , the future 3 years from now the most important . Plus you all know I’m pro brooks .

The question is not what do we do with Brooks but what does Brooks do for us
Likely answer : More of the same
We need to be looking for better
Wether that's 2,3 years or 4 years it doesn't matter
I like Brooks loyalty but it has not helped us
2 years from a quality player like Reynolds is better than 4 more years of Brooks
Aren't we all sick of waiting
I'll be in a retirement home soon
Brooks really needs to show more over the next 6 weeks
If he can't then we must go hard for Reynolds

Unfortunately after last night's performance I think souths will have to re sign Reynolds or the supporters will march just like they did to get back in to the league

Did I just see Reynolds going down to Rusty's farm

Look at the players we have lost and their calibre to understand the issue. But it is easier to blame Brooks.

It's hard to blame anyone else for Brooks performances except himself?

Exactly, we hear this all the time, MBye over paid and useless, Packer lazy reserve grader, AJ dud signing, BJ fat and lazy, Tommy Talau disappointing send him packing, MCK nuffie, Twal, Plodder, Tamau retiring on us, Joffa not we need, but Brooks, it’s not his fault, give me a break. Why does he get a free pass when everyone else needs to be moved or held to account

I get why people want him to do well, but come on enough already. It was Farahs fault, no it was be benjis fault , its the coach, it’s the forwards, now it’s the backs. He has come out and said it’s his team. He’s the main man. If he can’t deliver time to cut our losses.

There has to come a time when they say enough is enough, 8 seasons is a very long time

 

[TigerWest]

Sorry, but I want to win now, not in the future.
We have been saying that for 10 years.
Let the future look after itself.

Sounds like a quote from Ivan as he was signing Packer and JRey.

Who’s he?

 

[gallagher]

Sorry, but I want to win now, not in the future.
We have been saying that for 10 years.
Let the future look after itself.

Sounds like a quote from Ivan as he was signing Packer and JRey.

Who’s he?

He's our scapegoat.

 

[earl]

Thing is a half in his 30s should only be offered a 2 year deal, or at best a 2+1 in the clubs favour. But knowing us we'll offer Reynolds 750 over 3+1 and then he'll do his knee and play 20 games for us in that time.

2 years at 700k is the max for Reynolds. Offer market rates, especially if he wants to stay in sydney rather than move interstate.

I’m pretty sure 4 or 5 of our forwards ran for over 100 metres last week. This is the best forward pack we have had since I can remember. It’s not the forwards fault he put in 1 good kick all game .

I am sure that last week each of our forwards ran far more than Kepoa did. If he can't handle a kick or pass I don't care how fast a winger is.

What lol. We are talking about Reynolds for Brooks , not sure where kepoa came into this.

I'm pointing out that Brooks is doing a good job. It's the other players (currently playing in our centres and wings) who are the real problem with our team at present.

They aren’t the ones responsible for managing our team on the field. They aren’t the ones responsible for getting us repeat sets. Or finishing of a set with a half decent kick. One good kick all game last and we scored from it. Surely after 150 games he would have added some variety to his mid field bomb that every fullback loves . If slimey Moses can kick to the corners surely after 150 games our main man Brooks should learn how.

The problem with these comments is that they don't reflect the game that was just played. Brooks was real good. Brooks is the guy who puts in a nice attacking kick for the guys to catch and they scored off. Douiehi nearly caught another one as well.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

If Benji can hold his own in a quality side so could Brooks. The magic answer is not in recruiting or sacking one player. If the top 6 sides don't prove that you just don't want to see it.

Oh wow. It is *never* Brooks' fault. I feel so sorry for him! Such an amazing player surrounded by losers. We should pay him more to thank him for sticking with us. He's a fine player but he's not winning anyone a competition.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that Brooks shouldn't own his faults - I've been just as frustrated by him. But also don't believe for a minute that his faults are the reason for our lack of success or that removing him and replacing him alone will bring success. It's a bandaid solution. The quality/talent in the competition is mostly concentrated in five/ six sides and we are not one of them that is currently our biggest problem.

Fair enough, I see your point. Thanks.

But why does replacing Brooks = bandaid solution? If we get a better player in his position and address other areas of need over the next two years (realistically what it will take) then wouldn't we still be a better team in the long run?

For me it’s a bandaid solution because of the fact it’s 2 years . If we don’t have a plan to succeed him , which could be madden FYI, then we are in a way worse situation , akin to the one we were in when Craig field fell out of form early 2000s . We then rolled out , BeN black , Ben Jeffries , Jolly , etc etc . We then took a huge risk on a busted Scott Prince . It worked out , but that was widely critiqued at the time . Plus it was 2-3 years as well , and we the. Went with Morris and Fitzhenry until Lui came along . We need to be methodical about it . And not so emotional.
I hope brooks proves everyone wrong , that’s my plan A , so plan B if it’s Reynolds , then that has to go hand in hand with either Madden , or whoever else has been identified as the future . Then a distant 3rd is the Hastings rubbish .

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Thing is a half in his 30s should only be offered a 2 year deal, or at best a 2+1 in the clubs favour. But knowing us we'll offer Reynolds 750 over 3+1 and then he'll do his knee and play 20 games for us in that time.

2 years at 700k is the max for Reynolds. Offer market rates, especially if he wants to stay in sydney rather than move interstate.

I’m pretty sure 4 or 5 of our forwards ran for over 100 metres last week. This is the best forward pack we have had since I can remember. It’s not the forwards fault he put in 1 good kick all game .

I am sure that last week each of our forwards ran far more than Kepoa did. If he can't handle a kick or pass I don't care how fast a winger is.

What lol. We are talking about Reynolds for Brooks , not sure where kepoa came into this.

I'm pointing out that Brooks is doing a good job. It's the other players (currently playing in our centres and wings) who are the real problem with our team at present.

They aren’t the ones responsible for managing our team on the field. They aren’t the ones responsible for getting us repeat sets. Or finishing of a set with a half decent kick. One good kick all game last and we scored from it. Surely after 150 games he would have added some variety to his mid field bomb that every fullback loves . If slimey Moses can kick to the corners surely after 150 games our main man Brooks should learn how.

The problem with these comments is that they don't reflect the game that was just played. Brooks was real good. Brooks is the guy who puts in a nice attacking kick for the guys to catch and they scored off. Douiehi nearly caught another one as well.

These comments do reflect the game that was just played because I was there live watching it. The kick that led to the try was fantastic. He has got it in him. But the 10 other kicks were terrible. Getting caught with the ball on last three times. He’s the halfback. He has to demand the ball in those positions. It’s his job to lead the team around , kick to the corners and get us repeat sets. He can’t do it consistently.

 

[earl]

These comments do reflect the game that was just played because I was there live watching it. The kick that led to the try was fantastic. He has got it in him. But the 10 other kicks were terrible. Getting caught with the ball on last three times. He’s the halfback. He has to demand the ball in those positions. It’s his job to lead the team around , kick to the corners and get us repeat sets. He can’t do it consistently.

I watched the game again to see what his kicking game was like. It was really good. Douiehi's bombs were fantastic but he also put in the dud kick of the day. Brooks was the one putting in really good attacking kicks.

I you believe differently you didn't see it clearly live at the game. I suggest you re-watch the game and review your opinion.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

These comments do reflect the game that was just played because I was there live watching it. The kick that led to the try was fantastic. He has got it in him. But the 10 other kicks were terrible. Getting caught with the ball on last three times. He’s the halfback. He has to demand the ball in those positions. It’s his job to lead the team around , kick to the corners and get us repeat sets. He can’t do it consistently.

I watched the game again to see what his kicking game was like. It was really good. Douiehi's bombs were fantastic but he also put in the dud kick of the day. Brooks was the one putting in really good attacking kicks.

I you believe differently you didn't see it clearly live at the game. I suggest you re-watch the game and review your opinion.

I will re watch it and come back to you.

 

[earl]

These comments do reflect the game that was just played because I was there live watching it. The kick that led to the try was fantastic. He has got it in him. But the 10 other kicks were terrible. Getting caught with the ball on last three times. He’s the halfback. He has to demand the ball in those positions. It’s his job to lead the team around , kick to the corners and get us repeat sets. He can’t do it consistently.

I watched the game again to see what his kicking game was like. It was really good. Douiehi's bombs were fantastic but he also put in the dud kick of the day. Brooks was the one putting in really good attacking kicks.

I you believe differently you didn't see it clearly live at the game. I suggest you re-watch the game and review your opinion.

I will re watch it and come back to you.

I noticed Douiehi just missed taking another of those kicks as well. Douiehi is a threat in the air and he is chasing hard on those kicks.

 

[izotope]

If Benji can hold his own in a quality side so could Brooks. The magic answer is not in recruiting or sacking one player. If the top 6 sides don't prove that you just don't want to see it.

Oh wow. It is *never* Brooks' fault. I feel so sorry for him! Such an amazing player surrounded by losers. We should pay him more to thank him for sticking with us. He's a fine player but he's not winning anyone a competition.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that Brooks shouldn't own his faults - I've been just as frustrated by him. But also don't believe for a minute that his faults are the reason for our lack of success or that removing him and replacing him alone will bring success. It's a bandaid solution. The quality/talent in the competition is mostly concentrated in five/ six sides and we are not one of them that is currently our biggest problem.

Fair enough, I see your point. Thanks.

But why does replacing Brooks = bandaid solution? If we get a better player in his position and address other areas of need over the next two years (realistically what it will take) then wouldn't we still be a better team in the long run?

For me it’s a bandaid solution because of the fact it’s 2 years . If we don’t have a plan to succeed him , which could be madden FYI, then we are in a way worse situation , akin to the one we were in when Craig field fell out of form early 2000s . We then rolled out , BeN black , Ben Jeffries , Jolly , etc etc . We then took a huge risk on a busted Scott Prince . It worked out , but that was widely critiqued at the time . Plus it was 2-3 years as well , and we the. Went with Morris and Fitzhenry until Lui came along . We need to be methodical about it . And not so emotional.
I hope brooks proves everyone wrong , that’s my plan A , so plan B if it’s Reynolds , then that has to go hand in hand with either Madden , or whoever else has been identified as the future . Then a distant 3rd is the Hastings rubbish .

This is why im coolish on reynolds, it could jag us a final spot, but not really in a premiership window for a couple of years

 

[TigerWest]

if the naysayers are watching this WE NEED REYNOLDS

Naysayers ? That’s an interesting way to look at it . I saw a guy get to his kicks , and shift early to benji and Lattrell .
I didn’t see anything worth 1 mil a year . Which is what it would cost .

Would it? $1.4 mill over 2 years is the current offer.

He'd be worth that.

What do we do with brooks ? Offload to the boys ? Also what do we do in 2024 ? Is madden gonna wait ? Is there a junior coming through ? Not saying I hate it . Just there’s a lot to sort out , the future 3 years from now the most important . Plus you all know I’m pro brooks .

The question is not what do we do with Brooks but what does Brooks do for us
Likely answer : More of the same
We need to be looking for better
Wether that's 2,3 years or 4 years it doesn't matter
I like Brooks loyalty but it has not helped us
2 years from a quality player like Reynolds is better than 4 more years of Brooks
Aren't we all sick of waiting
I'll be in a retirement home soon
Brooks really needs to show more over the next 6 weeks
If he can't then we must go hard for Reynolds

Unfortunately after last night's performance I think souths will have to re sign Reynolds or the supporters will march just like they did to get back in to the league

Did I just see Reynolds going down to Rusty's farm

Look at the players we have lost and their calibre to understand the issue. But it is easier to blame Brooks.

It's hard to blame anyone else for Brooks performances except himself?

A performance that included Dally M half and I believe a few club awards.

I admire your support for the bloke, but we haven't been in the top 8 for 10 years, we have changed many things and it is still not happening, so they need to look at him, he just doesn't seem to have the game we need to take us to the next level.

We have not replaced the quality we have lost. It is very simple really.

Please name the like for like replacements.

IMO, it is not about who was playing, it is about what he is doing as an individual, as our main playmaker for the team.

E.g. his kicking game has nothing to do with anyone but himself.

I like the guy, just not in the halves.

 

[Blake]

Michael Morgan medically retired. I think this is going to trigger some big moves. Brooks & mbye to cowboys, Reynolds to tigers.

Yeah that gives the Cows an extra 500k to play with this season and an extra million next season. Huge lucky break for them, less so for Morgan

Teams do not get any cap compensation if the injury happened in the year they were medically retired. Same as Jake Friend.

 

[Masterton]

Sorry, but I want to win now, not in the future.
We have been saying that for 10 years.
Let the future look after itself.

Sounds like a quote from Ivan as he was signing Packer and JRey.

Who’s he?

Someone else who just cared about quick results. It tends to end poorly.

 

[rihannafan1]

Fair enough. I can see people's points on this. I'm still totally unconvinced Brooks can steer a team around the park consistently enough for us to have any real success but there really isn't much else on the market atm that'll make a difference, so let's stay the course.

 

[rihannafan1]

If Benji can hold his own in a quality side so could Brooks. The magic answer is not in recruiting or sacking one player. If the top 6 sides don't prove that you just don't want to see it.

Oh wow. It is *never* Brooks' fault. I feel so sorry for him! Such an amazing player surrounded by losers. We should pay him more to thank him for sticking with us. He's a fine player but he's not winning anyone a competition.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that Brooks shouldn't own his faults - I've been just as frustrated by him. But also don't believe for a minute that his faults are the reason for our lack of success or that removing him and replacing him alone will bring success. It's a bandaid solution. The quality/talent in the competition is mostly concentrated in five/ six sides and we are not one of them that is currently our biggest problem.

Fair enough, I see your point. Thanks.

But why does replacing Brooks = bandaid solution? If we get a better player in his position and address other areas of need over the next two years (realistically what it will take) then wouldn't we still be a better team in the long run?

Because I question whether the "better "player will actually make a difference for the length of contract and cost it would take to bring him here - I.e.Reynolds.
He is a good player better kicker than Brooks but he is not as good a defender and is not a runner of the ball. He would have far more responsibity placed on him than at South's and the expectations would be enormous. Brooks cops plenty on here for his failings and is given little credit for the good things he does- he is a decent player in a pretty ordinary team.
Reynolds will be exactly in the same boat unless he brings the likes of Cook Walker Murray Latrell Sua Gagai etc with him and that ain't going to happen.
In terms of managing our cap I see it fraught with same problems we have now - paying a player his biggest pay cheque with no guarantees knowing that it is likely that another club got the best from him for less.

Sure thing. If the replacement is Reynolds then it's hard to see much difference.

 

[Blake]

if the naysayers are watching this WE NEED REYNOLDS

Naysayers ? That’s an interesting way to look at it . I saw a guy get to his kicks , and shift early to benji and Lattrell .
I didn’t see anything worth 1 mil a year . Which is what it would cost .

Would it? $1.4 mill over 2 years is the current offer.

He'd be worth that.

What do we do with brooks ? Offload to the boys ? Also what do we do in 2024 ? Is madden gonna wait ? Is there a junior coming through ? Not saying I hate it . Just there’s a lot to sort out , the future 3 years from now the most important . Plus you all know I’m pro brooks .

The question is not what do we do with Brooks but what does Brooks do for us
Likely answer : More of the same
We need to be looking for better
Wether that's 2,3 years or 4 years it doesn't matter
I like Brooks loyalty but it has not helped us
2 years from a quality player like Reynolds is better than 4 more years of Brooks
Aren't we all sick of waiting
I'll be in a retirement home soon
Brooks really needs to show more over the next 6 weeks
If he can't then we must go hard for Reynolds

Unfortunately after last night's performance I think souths will have to re sign Reynolds or the supporters will march just like they did to get back in to the league

Did I just see Reynolds going down to Rusty's farm

Look at the players we have lost and their calibre to understand the issue. But it is easier to blame Brooks.

It's hard to blame anyone else for Brooks performances except himself?

Exactly, we hear this all the time, MBye over paid and useless, Packer lazy reserve grader, AJ dud signing, BJ fat and lazy, Tommy Talau disappointing send him packing, MCK nuffie, Twal, Plodder, Tamau retiring on us, Joffa not we need, but Brooks, it’s not his fault, give me a break. Why does he get a free pass when everyone else needs to be moved or held to account

I get why people want him to do well, but come on enough already. It was Farahs fault, no it was be benjis fault , its the coach, it’s the forwards, now it’s the backs. He has come out and said it’s his team. He’s the main man. If he can’t deliver time to cut our losses.

You are ranting and not making any valid arguments.

 

[rihannafan1]

If Benji can hold his own in a quality side so could Brooks. The magic answer is not in recruiting or sacking one player. If the top 6 sides don't prove that you just don't want to see it.

Oh wow. It is *never* Brooks' fault. I feel so sorry for him! Such an amazing player surrounded by losers. We should pay him more to thank him for sticking with us. He's a fine player but he's not winning anyone a competition.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that Brooks shouldn't own his faults - I've been just as frustrated by him. But also don't believe for a minute that his faults are the reason for our lack of success or that removing him and replacing him alone will bring success. It's a bandaid solution. The quality/talent in the competition is mostly concentrated in five/ six sides and we are not one of them that is currently our biggest problem.

Fair enough, I see your point. Thanks.

But why does replacing Brooks = bandaid solution? If we get a better player in his position and address other areas of need over the next two years (realistically what it will take) then wouldn't we still be a better team in the long run?

For me it’s a bandaid solution because of the fact it’s 2 years . If we don’t have a plan to succeed him , which could be madden FYI, then we are in a way worse situation , akin to the one we were in when Craig field fell out of form early 2000s . We then rolled out , BeN black , Ben Jeffries , Jolly , etc etc . We then took a huge risk on a busted Scott Prince . It worked out , but that was widely critiqued at the time . Plus it was 2-3 years as well , and we the. Went with Morris and Fitzhenry until Lui came along . We need to be methodical about it . And not so emotional.
I hope brooks proves everyone wrong , that’s my plan A , so plan B if it’s Reynolds , then that has to go hand in hand with either Madden , or whoever else has been identified as the future . Then a distant 3rd is the Hastings rubbish .

Yeah, it seems there's no really good other option long-term atm unless a Schuster came available.

 

[earl]

Fair enough. I can see people's points on this. I'm still totally unconvinced Brooks can steer a team around the park consistently enough for us to have any real success but there really isn't much else on the market atm that'll make a difference, so let's stay the course.

I'm not really worried about Brooks steering the team around the park. Surely they know which way to the try line. I want Brooks to consistently take good options. I also don't see him as being the one player we rely on.

So it's about building a good team to me. I think we improve with Adam Reynolds so I'd take him but it depends at what cost.

 

[jadtiger]

These comments do reflect the game that was just played because I was there live watching it. The kick that led to the try was fantastic. He has got it in him. But the 10 other kicks were terrible. Getting caught with the ball on last three times. He’s the halfback. He has to demand the ball in those positions. It’s his job to lead the team around , kick to the corners and get us repeat sets. He can’t do it consistently.

I watched the game again to see what his kicking game was like. It was really good. Douiehi's bombs were fantastic but he also put in the dud kick of the day. Brooks was the one putting in really good attacking kicks.

I you believe differently you didn't see it clearly live at the game. I suggest you re-watch the game and review your opinion.

The dud kick of the day was M'Bye at the end of the game,it was absolutely braindead.The only possible excuse i could give him is if he had an Inglis moment and thought 6 points was enough for a win or extra time