@the_patriot said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1379750) said:
It's funny how people who go Moses and other players, call them dogs etc now support Woods coming back to the club.
Screw that rubbish.
The guy was club captain and tried to take all our good players to another club.
The absolute last player id let back in the club.
He’s a grub who thought he was bigger than the club. Think of the Hooper interview where he threw the club under the bus. Around that time he was also a regular on NRL 360. He never once defended the club or spoke on behalf of the club. He was looking out for himself. To do all that as captain, made him one of the most selfish players I can ever remember.
No one in this forum would ever throw the club under the bus...
We’re supporters. Even if we do, we don’t walk away. Players on the other hand
He left under Cleary's watch. What's your opinion of Cleary, one of our greats? Ever talked Cleary up yourself?
I’m failing to see how that’s relevant? If he was loyal to the club, wouldn’t have mattered who the coach was.
Can't be bothered explaining...
No, please do. Don’t back down.
The Jason Taylor years were a nightmare from which it was going to be very difficult to recover. I had a conversation with Siro at the time who told me how frustrated Curtis was at being lied to all the time by Taylor. The players hated Taylor. Woods was the glue in a side when certain players were threatening mutiny. When the club shafted Taylor, who by the way was brought in to do a certain job, and signed Cleary, it really hit the fan. Woodsy wanted to stay. He was club captain and wanted to be a Tiger for life. He loved the Tigers and he thought they loved him. When Cleary offered a his old mate, a convicted criminal 200k a season more than the club captain, to play the same position, it kind of rubbed people the wrong way, particularly when Woods had only ever done his best for the club. He asked if he could be upgraded to the same money as the crim and was told to look elsewhere if he wanted more money. It's common knowledge now that we wasted 800,000k for 3 seasons when we could have kept, at the time, ***the best front rower in the game.***
The rest of your post may be correct, but there was never a time that Woods was the best front rower in the game.
2015 Dally M prop of the year, runner up to JT player of the year.
So Luke Brooks is/was the best Half in the game?
Alright, 2015 and 2016, most metres average by any forward, 40 tackles per game in SOO
2016, Sam Burgess and JWH existed, but I guess you would rather Aaron Woods?
I'll simplify my original point just for you... Woods was poorly treated by Ivan and the club and I don't blame him for leaving or even expressing his disappointment. At the time he was a starting front rower for the Kangaroos and considered by many as the best front rower at that time. That rating is, of course, only an opinion and open to debate. I don't think we should resign him.
In what way did Cleary treat him poorly? Club put a price on him and he wanted more. Club was right at the time and it was proven right by his time at DOgs and Sharks..
Yep, you are right, they were right, Russell Packer was way more valuable to the club than Aaron Woods.
Woods left before Packer signed.
He left before Packer started, not before he agreed to terms.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. So the club signed Packer for $800K before Woods left and that would work under the cap....how?
And who is telling Woods how much Packer got in his contract? The club, Packer?
Its a simple story you are over complicating. The club valued Woods at a number much less than Woods wanted and the club was right. Woods could get that money at Dogs and we know how that worked out.
Please think about it. If you agree to terms, you don't get paid from that instant, you get paid when you start training with the club. Addo Carr isn't getting paid by the Dogs until next season, even though he agreed to terms months ago. And yes, Woods went to the Dogs for more money but the WT paid even more for Russell Packer, and we know how that worked out.
He would be paid from 1 November, not when started training. Your premise is ridiculous. Woods had the deal on the table for months, if Woods said yes and didnt leave, in your fantasy the Tigers would have a $800K cap problem. No way they agreed to Packer with Woods in the roster.
Are you now trying to tell me that Russell Packer was the only player Cleary signed, that Mbye and Reynolds came for free?
Reynolds signed before Packer
Good luck to Reynolds.
Not to chime in mate , but I distinctly remember Woods touring the dogs facility with Teddy on the sly , with a goal to deliver the big prize in teddy , and to a lesser extent Moses. The whole thing started through Klemmer who was gone less than year later himself .
Cleary was signed what , Early May ? The timeline defeats your argument . Woods was worth 800k to us . And no one else . The dogs paid him that because Teddy was worth 1.5mil to everyone , and he was asking for 1.2mil. It was Teddy who bailed at the last minute , basically getting everyone from Hasler to Klemmer looking for a new job . He basically ruined 2 clubs in 1 negotiation process . It was quite a feat .
Yes, you are correct, but the point is that WT knew long before that the BIG 4 were looking elsewhere and weren't entirely unhappy because they had picked the wrong side in the Taylor Farah feud. WT pulled offers, and made sure everyone knew about it, but Teddy and Moses were already long gone. Teddy had already signed with the Raiders a year prior, only for Farah to change his mind. The players were divided, the whole place was a mess and more than just those players wanted to go, it's just that they got the publicity because they were high profile. I don't know the timeline on negotiations but I do know that Woods knew Packer was coming before he signed with the Dogs. I don't know how much influence that had on his decision but he was certainly unhappy about it. WT had approached several high profile players from other clubs confident the BIG 4 would be gone, and long before the start of the season or before all this was public knowledge. Cleary had agreed to come at least 6 months before he was even mentioned as coach, that's how long these things take. So when people say " oh, what a surprise, so and so just signed with..." that deal has been going on for months. I was told this at the time by a bus driver with excellent inside knowledge.
