Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[happy_tiger]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Re-signed Mbye

 

[the_third]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

be great to have some positive news while we are locked down

 

[BAGNF05]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

And what message does that send to the players?

I don’t particularly care, I just want to win games.


And fans wonder why good players choose to play at teams with other quality players.

Poor attitude or not, you can’t turn over a roster endlessly until you find one the coach can work with. I think our players have a horrible attitude and I’m not defending them, but they’re all going backwards under our coach.

Compare our best players to the best players in the teams that are in the top 6 and there is your reality check - we are around where we should be be. We have some young talent that have not gone backwards under Maguire - inconsistent yes - which is pretty consistent with all young players especially those in struggling teams. Your frustration in losing will not change the reality of the vast difference in the talent between the top 6 sides and the rest.
If we don't effect true change - sack Maguire or not - the perception remains and we will keep picking from the scraps.

I disagree. Our roster is better than it was when Maguire arrived yet our on field performance has steadily gone backwards.

In what positions is it better? Brooks/ Nofa the only real constants and some would say they shouldn't be. What other players have a hold on their position based on consistent performance not including those like Laurie Seyfarth Stefano who are in their first year in FG.?

Pretty much across the squad. The issue is they’ve declined since joining. Look at BJ and JTJ. Tahu said they’d be the origin centres, now ones in reserve grade and the other one should be. Why is it that so many players have regressed under his coaching?

That pair have been sacked for poor attitudes multiple times. Madge is coaching them because the club is putrid at recruiting.

 

[TheDaBoss]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Hectic cheeze

 

[the_third]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

And what message does that send to the players?

I don’t particularly care, I just want to win games.


And fans wonder why good players choose to play at teams with other quality players.

Poor attitude or not, you can’t turn over a roster endlessly until you find one the coach can work with. I think our players have a horrible attitude and I’m not defending them, but they’re all going backwards under our coach.

Compare our best players to the best players in the teams that are in the top 6 and there is your reality check - we are around where we should be be. We have some young talent that have not gone backwards under Maguire - inconsistent yes - which is pretty consistent with all young players especially those in struggling teams. Your frustration in losing will not change the reality of the vast difference in the talent between the top 6 sides and the rest.
If we don't effect true change - sack Maguire or not - the perception remains and we will keep picking from the scraps.

I disagree. Our roster is better than it was when Maguire arrived yet our on field performance has steadily gone backwards.

In what positions is it better? Brooks/ Nofa the only real constants and some would say they shouldn't be. What other players have a hold on their position based on consistent performance not including those like Laurie Seyfarth Stefano who are in their first year in FG.?

Pretty much across the squad. The issue is they’ve declined since joining. Look at BJ and JTJ. Tahu said they’d be the origin centres, now ones in reserve grade and the other one should be. Why is it that so many players have regressed under his coaching?

That pair have been sacked for poor attitudes multiple times. Madge is coaching them because the club is putrid at recruiting.

JTJ is a bottom dollar recruit and a play at the indigenous players. Fair risk really
BJ - I have no words for how bad he has been. I had high hopes, but his attitude has been garbage - much like his diet

 

[BAGNF05]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

If any of our current players are saying that Paws, they should be weeded out and turfed out.
Madge was employed to coach our team and our players are paid big $$$ to listen and learn from him.

I feel Madge is now getting the support that I imagine most other coaches would **already have**.

So with that pressure now being taken off him, I reckon we are going to see positive changes from Wests Tigers from now on.

The changes may be small at first, but they will be there if we keep an open mind and are prepared to look for and recognise them.

Just this year alone we have already had many positive appointments.

Imo the only better coach than Madge atm is Craig Bellamy, if available when Madge's contract is up.

Magpies, our Chair says this

“Seriously, I could not be more impressed with Madge’s commitment and passion,” Hagipantelis said.


Our CEO said this

“Our training has been outstanding and the roster is the best we’ve had for some time. Our staff and personnel and support around the football club means we’re now far better equipped financially.”

Both to me are revealing statements. What about his coaching ability?

We have high profile non performing players in our squad that the coaching staff are looking to move on. As such they are not motivated to perform at their best (even though they should be in order to get a start somewhere else).

I don't care how good the coach is, if the higher paid players are disgruntled then they are not going to look to improve themselves under the current coach.

The coach has failed to get the best from players. What does he give them as a motivational speech prior to the game and at half time, valium?

Our squad has gone backwards. You cannot keep blaming the players.

But Madge chose the players
I don’t get it ?

Yeah, JAC, Latrell, Arrow, Frizell, Brimson, Sua. Etc.

All laughed at Pascoe and co. And went elsewhere.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

So Andrew Johns has warned TPJ not to sign with us and now warns us not to sign Dale Finucane either - seems to not want us to get anyone. Must have really miffed him when we beat the Knights twice this year.
"Andrew Johns has warned the Wests Tigers against recruiting veteran NRL star Dale Finucane, advising the club to look for a younger version of the Origin lock instead.

The Tigers have been linked to unwanted Brisbane Broncos star Tevita Pangai Jr, as well as Finucane, who is on Brad Fittler's extended bench for the Blues. The Bulldogs, Dragons and Sharks have also been reported to have interest in Finucane, but re-signing with the Melbourne Storm is still on the table for the 29-year-old.
However Johns said time is not on Finucane's side to make a significant impact for the club, despite his the value he brings beyond the footy field.
"There's clubs climbing over each other to get him," Johns said on Wide World of Sports' Immortal Behaviour.
And it's not necessarily what he does on the field, it's the way he prepares. I saw the way he prepares at Origin a couple of years ago, it is just so methodical the way he does it, so professional and it rubs off on other players.

"But Dale has played a lot of tough footy. I don't know how much footy he's got left."

Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.

The question though, is whether the Tigers have the comprehensive talent scouting that the Melbourne Storm do.

"The Storm don't recruit talent, they recruit character," Johns said.

"There's no one better [at recruitment]. They lose [Greg] Inglis, [Israel] Folau, [Cooper] Cronk, Billy Slater, Cameron Smith - we're talking about five champions, once in a generation players, and they're still on top of the table."

Johns says "go and find the next 19/20 year old Finucane, they're out there" but doesn't provide any examples. If there are so many out there Joey, why does your club recruit 30 year old Aiden Guerra's and Suaso Sue's instead? The blokes a goose who loves the sound of his own voice

 

[happy_tiger]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Hectic cheeze

Shredded Cheese ....

 

[hsvjones]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Re-signed Mbye

The way our luck goes I would not be surprised

 

[WT2K]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Hectic cheeze

Shredded Cheese ....

Mozzarella cheese...

 

[TheDaBoss]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Hectic cheeze

Shredded Cheese ....

Mozzarella cheese...

Fetta cheese is more fitting as most players crumble when they come go this club ?

 

[hsvjones]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Hectic cheeze

I would run around the block naked if that was to happen.. Trust me no one wants to see that :face_palm:

 

[the_third]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Hectic cheeze

Shredded Cheese ....

Mozzarella cheese...

Fetta cheese is more fitting as most players crumble when they come go this club ?

swiss cheese has as many holes as our defence

 

[avocadoontoast]

As a Fan base we are in a desperate need of some good news... feels like even us fans are turning against each other.
Maybe we have signed a SOO player and cannot announce it until after tomorrows game.. :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:

Hectic cheeze

Shredded Cheese ....

Mozzarella cheese...

Fetta cheese is more fitting as most players crumble when they come go this club ?


swiss cheese has as many holes as our defence

Or a taleggio. Soft in the middle with a strong fecal smell.

 

[Rowdy12]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

Tim sheens. Maguire can’t build a team from ground up.

How do you know that?

My conclusion is drawn based on his past five seasons coaching.

I thought he was rebuilding, literally from the ground up?

Sheens (or who ever coaches) will obviously push to get the side they want, so that will mean another 5 years to get the side up to speed? Can’t see it happening.

I wouldn't appoint Sheens but he won the comp in his 2nd year at the club.

3rd

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

Nathan was going just as well before Dad got there. The Penrith squad was assembled by Gould and Griffin, Ivan walked into a dream job.

I think they mean , how he actually got to first grade in the first place , considering he would have been with dad in NZ for a fair bit of time .

 

[Moh]

Can't believe people want Morris for Madge....

Also can't believe people giving up on Talau so soon, no doubt he needs a spell in ressies - but there is potential there and I'm confident it can be unlocked in time.

He's a naturally gifted kid.

 

[BAGNF05]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, **do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever?** At what stage does he take some responsibility?

If the players were putting in, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now?
In answer to your question though, YES, we do keep replacing them (like every other club) until we get the balance and commitment right?

At what stage does Madge take responsibility for on field performances?

How do you suggest he do that ? I suppose he could acknowledge that the team's performance is his fault as a coach. But what if doesn't believe that is true ?

In any event, what would it achieve ? I don't think it would achieve anything except shift the blame for some pathetic performances away for the players, which is where it belongs.

Or, he could resign and admit that he can do nothing with the team. That would be a disaster for the club. For a premiership winning coach to walk away would say that our club is beyond redemption.

He should resign or get sacked. I’d be happy with either.

And what message does that send to the players?

I don’t particularly care, I just want to win games.


And fans wonder why good players choose to play at teams with other quality players.

Poor attitude or not, you can’t turn over a roster endlessly until you find one the coach can work with. I think our players have a horrible attitude and I’m not defending them, but they’re all going backwards under our coach.

Compare our best players to the best players in the teams that are in the top 6 and there is your reality check - we are around where we should be be. We have some young talent that have not gone backwards under Maguire - inconsistent yes - which is pretty consistent with all young players especially those in struggling teams. Your frustration in losing will not change the reality of the vast difference in the talent between the top 6 sides and the rest.
If we don't effect true change - sack Maguire or not - the perception remains and we will keep picking from the scraps.

I disagree. Our roster is better than it was when Maguire arrived yet our on field performance has steadily gone backwards.

In what positions is it better? Brooks/ Nofa the only real constants and some would say they shouldn't be. What other players have a hold on their position based on consistent performance not including those like Laurie Seyfarth Stefano who are in their first year in FG.?

Pretty much across the squad. The issue is they’ve declined since joining. Look at BJ and JTJ. Tahu said they’d be the origin centres, now ones in reserve grade and the other one should be. Why is it that so many players have regressed under his coaching?

Neither JTJ or BJ were wanted by their clubs these are the sort of players we attract - risks at best. Five years ago they would have been a great combination not now. Would struggle to make FG in any other side. They were not in for when they came here not even close.

We've signed some has beens over the last 5/6 years ....few of us Forum members must be due a call

Pascoe loves a former rep player, gives his press release respectability

 

[BAGNF05]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

The thing about Australian school boys is they look really good.. against school boys.

 

[GCfan]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

I reckon that’s the case for all coaches. Players make coaches not the other way around. Think I’ve heard one of the football wise ones say that previously