Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/29/mbye-and-wests-tigers-eager-to-right-their-wrongs/

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/29/tamou-weve-got-to-put-in-a-better-effort-for-our-members-and-fans/

Mbye and Tamou telling it like it is.


Both of them avoided looking into the camera and the body language was poor throughout.I am suprised that the club released this to be honest.I realise neither would have a great deal of training in regards to being interviewed but neither was comfortable

Ah ha the old body language commentary.

 

[jadtiger]

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/29/mbye-and-wests-tigers-eager-to-right-their-wrongs/

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/29/tamou-weve-got-to-put-in-a-better-effort-for-our-members-and-fans/

Mbye and Tamou telling it like it is.


Both of them avoided looking into the camera and the body language was poor throughout.I am suprised that the club released this to be honest.I realise neither would have a great deal of training in regards to being interviewed but neither was comfortable

Ah ha the old body language commentary.

You didnt need to be a body language expert to watch them squirm.It really was embarrassing,at least Tamou tried to tough it out,MBye looked as if he wanted to cry in a corner

 

[Spartan117]

I can’t agree with that, we need to sign guys on culture and leadership, otherwise they come here and fit into the bad culture we have and all the tackle busts, offloads, try assists and tackle efficiency etc disappears.

I don't really care one little bit about the culture. I want to win games. That requires tackle busts etc. Culture is a load of palava. I've been in bad cultures and good cultures. The work can still be produced to just as a high a quality in either environment.

Do we want to win games or tell everyone what a good culture we have while we continue to lose games.

For anyone arguing you can have both great. For those arguing a good culture is a winning culture wake up. Go and watch the Michael Jordan documentary or the Metallica documentary. Terrible cultures can lead to great things.

I want to see us win. We need to target players that win games. If they are morons but they perform and don't do anything immoral or illegal I don't care.

Bad cultures succeed despite their culture and not because of it. Having a good culture and buy in gives you the best chance for success.

Your examples of bad cultures is poor aswell. Metallica were so dysfunctional that they pretty much broke up and were only able to produce that album after hiring a replacement and improving the culture. They had a live in shrink to get that album moving.

The bulls had a bad culture do to having a leader that drove extremely high standards aggressively. Who drives our standards? That is why we need to look at leadership and culture.

Haha, yeah I am not sure Metallica is a great example. One of my favourite all time bands and respect their achievements as musos but they are seriously toxic people and succeed in spite of each other, not because of.

I seriously have to respect them for having the courage to release that film, I love that band too but that film showed them in a terrible light. They treated James Newstead in such a way that he really had no choice but to leave.

Yeah, I have no respect for them as people, that movie really showed the type of guys they are. Who goes to Russia to shoot bears and drink vodka when their child is celebrating their first birthday?

Anyway, I am derailing the thread.

Nah its not derailing

Cause like the tigers players, apart from turning up for there paycheck

Nothing Else Matters.....

Bad pun alert

Upvote for that Pun...

 

[Spartan117]

Josh Reynolds’ ex charged with stealing $52,000 from rheumatology clinic
A lingerie model who was launched into the spotlight for her tumultuous relationship with NRL player Josh Reynolds has been charged with stealing from her former employer.

Were we signing her ?

Hope she can play wing?

Plays #9 Hooker

 

[the_third]

Anyway, I am derailing the thread.

I don't think that's possible haha

 

[yeahcaz]

https://youtu.be/PFhQsgNdOFE

Not sure if it’s deemed relevant for this thread but I will share it as I have before.

If you skip to the 1 hour and 3 minute mark of this video, labelled balls deep (in depth dive into rugby league stats over the last few years) you’ll find the info there pretty interesting.

If you can’t be bothered to watch basically to cut a long story short it’s about roster management. Split into 2 groups, teams that make 5 or less changes to the top 20 and teams that make 6 or more. In the last decade, out of teams that have made 5 or less each year, only 12 haven’t made the top 8. Compare the 2 best teams of the decade (storm and roosters), Storm haven’t made 6 roster changes for the whole decade and the roosters have twice and in those years they finished 15th and 13th or whatever they did in those 2 down years. Compared to a team like us, knights and the Titans (top 3 worst teams of the decade) we have made 6 or more changes 7 times with the best finish of those years being 10th and in the 3 years we haven’t we’ve finished 5th,9th, and 9th. Good listen that I encourage anyone to hear.

Point I’m making is I hope we do clear out some deadwood at seasons end but maybe it is beneficial to stick strong in the long run

 

[Tiger5150]

https://youtu.be/PFhQsgNdOFE

Not sure if it’s deemed relevant for this thread but I will share it as I have before.

If you skip to the 1 hour and 3 minute mark of this video, labelled balls deep (in depth dive into rugby league stats over the last few years) you’ll find the info there pretty interesting.

If you can’t be bothered to watch basically to cut a long story short it’s about roster management. Split into 2 groups, teams that make 5 or less changes to the top 20 and teams that make 6 or more. In the last decade, out of teams that have made 5 or less each year, only 12 haven’t made the top 8. Compare the 2 best teams of the decade (storm and roosters), Storm haven’t made 6 roster changes for the whole decade and the roosters have twice and in those years they finished 15th and 13th or whatever they did in those 2 down years. Compared to a team like us, knights and the Titans (top 3 worst teams of the decade) we have made 6 or more changes 7 times with the best finish of those years being 10th and in the 3 years we haven’t we’ve finished 5th,9th, and 9th. Good listen that I encourage anyone to hear.

Point I’m making is I hope we do clear out some deadwood at seasons end but maybe it is beneficial to stick strong in the long run

Chicken or egg?

Did those teams make the 8 because they didnt make many changes, or did they not need to make many changes because they had a top 8 quality team?

 

[tigerballs]

https://youtu.be/PFhQsgNdOFE

Not sure if it’s deemed relevant for this thread but I will share it as I have before.

If you skip to the 1 hour and 3 minute mark of this video, labelled balls deep (in depth dive into rugby league stats over the last few years) you’ll find the info there pretty interesting.

If you can’t be bothered to watch basically to cut a long story short it’s about roster management. Split into 2 groups, teams that make 5 or less changes to the top 20 and teams that make 6 or more. In the last decade, out of teams that have made 5 or less each year, only 12 haven’t made the top 8. Compare the 2 best teams of the decade (storm and roosters), Storm haven’t made 6 roster changes for the whole decade and the roosters have twice and in those years they finished 15th and 13th or whatever they did in those 2 down years. Compared to a team like us, knights and the Titans (top 3 worst teams of the decade) we have made 6 or more changes 7 times with the best finish of those years being 10th and in the 3 years we haven’t we’ve finished 5th,9th, and 9th. Good listen that I encourage anyone to hear.

Point I’m making is I hope we do clear out some deadwood at seasons end but maybe it is beneficial to stick strong in the long run


Chicken or egg?

Did those teams make the 8 because they didnt make many changes, or did they not need to make many changes because they had a top 8 quality team?

Exactly right.

 

[Needaname]

In the last decade, out of teams that have made 5 or less each year, only 12 haven’t made the top 8.

Is it about the NRL? Or another comp. how many teams in each group.

 

[Needaname]

https://youtu.be/PFhQsgNdOFE

Not sure if it’s deemed relevant for this thread but I will share it as I have before.

If you skip to the 1 hour and 3 minute mark of this video, labelled balls deep (in depth dive into rugby league stats over the last few years) you’ll find the info there pretty interesting.

If you can’t be bothered to watch basically to cut a long story short it’s about roster management. Split into 2 groups, teams that make 5 or less changes to the top 20 and teams that make 6 or more. In the last decade, out of teams that have made 5 or less each year, only 12 haven’t made the top 8. Compare the 2 best teams of the decade (storm and roosters), Storm haven’t made 6 roster changes for the whole decade and the roosters have twice and in those years they finished 15th and 13th or whatever they did in those 2 down years. Compared to a team like us, knights and the Titans (top 3 worst teams of the decade) we have made 6 or more changes 7 times with the best finish of those years being 10th and in the 3 years we haven’t we’ve finished 5th,9th, and 9th. Good listen that I encourage anyone to hear.

Point I’m making is I hope we do clear out some deadwood at seasons end but maybe it is beneficial to stick strong in the long run


Chicken or egg?

Did those teams make the 8 because they didnt make many changes, or did they not need to make many changes because they had a top 8 quality team?

Exactly right.

Not exactly, no.

What it indicates most is that those teams understand the dark arts of roster management. The key components. Recruitment, development retention, rotation and rebuilding.
Melbourne have been in 4 rebuilds since they started, And about 3 in the time under Bellamy. But you wouldn’t know about it.

That is the point they are trying to make.
That continuity is the key but the key is knowing which components need tweaking what is the expiration date of players and how they can be replaced whilst winning.
Roosters have been through the same process however, under robinsons rule they had a rebuild year. However since 2016 they’ve managed to rotate the roster, either or not by their choice. I honestly thought last year was going to be another 2016 for them but they still remained incredibly competitive.

Doesn’t seem like a coincidence to me.

 

[tigerballs]

https://youtu.be/PFhQsgNdOFE

Not sure if it’s deemed relevant for this thread but I will share it as I have before.

If you skip to the 1 hour and 3 minute mark of this video, labelled balls deep (in depth dive into rugby league stats over the last few years) you’ll find the info there pretty interesting.

If you can’t be bothered to watch basically to cut a long story short it’s about roster management. Split into 2 groups, teams that make 5 or less changes to the top 20 and teams that make 6 or more. In the last decade, out of teams that have made 5 or less each year, only 12 haven’t made the top 8. Compare the 2 best teams of the decade (storm and roosters), Storm haven’t made 6 roster changes for the whole decade and the roosters have twice and in those years they finished 15th and 13th or whatever they did in those 2 down years. Compared to a team like us, knights and the Titans (top 3 worst teams of the decade) we have made 6 or more changes 7 times with the best finish of those years being 10th and in the 3 years we haven’t we’ve finished 5th,9th, and 9th. Good listen that I encourage anyone to hear.

Point I’m making is I hope we do clear out some deadwood at seasons end but maybe it is beneficial to stick strong in the long run


Chicken or egg?

Did those teams make the 8 because they didnt make many changes, or did they not need to make many changes because they had a top 8 quality team?

Exactly right.

Not exactly, no.

What it indicates most is that those teams understand the dark arts of roster management. The key components. Recruitment, development retention, rotation and rebuilding.
Melbourne have been in 4 rebuilds since they started, And about 3 in the time under Bellamy. But you wouldn’t know about it.

That is the point they are trying to make.
That continuity is the key but the key is knowing which components need tweaking what is the expiration date of players and how they can be replaced whilst winning.
Roosters have been through the same process however, under robinsons rule they had a rebuild year. However since 2016 they’ve managed to rotate the roster, either or not by their choice. I honestly thought last year was going to be another 2016 for them but they still remained incredibly repetitive.

Doesn’t seem like a coincidence to me.

That's what I meant! I'm not saying it's easy to keep a strong roster but it's a lot easier if you've got a strong roster to start with. There aren't enough quality players available to swap out more than a couple of players at a time. Take SOO for example. NSW didn't make too many changes to the side that got beat last year and they didn't really pick too many debutants either but having Turbo and Latrell together with Teddy at the back made them unbeatable. They built on a very strong base though. Conversely, QLD were a bit short of their best due to injury and even though most had played SOO before, they were never really in it because they weren't that great a side to begin with.

 

[Needaname]

https://youtu.be/PFhQsgNdOFE

Not sure if it’s deemed relevant for this thread but I will share it as I have before.

If you skip to the 1 hour and 3 minute mark of this video, labelled balls deep (in depth dive into rugby league stats over the last few years) you’ll find the info there pretty interesting.

If you can’t be bothered to watch basically to cut a long story short it’s about roster management. Split into 2 groups, teams that make 5 or less changes to the top 20 and teams that make 6 or more. In the last decade, out of teams that have made 5 or less each year, only 12 haven’t made the top 8. Compare the 2 best teams of the decade (storm and roosters), Storm haven’t made 6 roster changes for the whole decade and the roosters have twice and in those years they finished 15th and 13th or whatever they did in those 2 down years. Compared to a team like us, knights and the Titans (top 3 worst teams of the decade) we have made 6 or more changes 7 times with the best finish of those years being 10th and in the 3 years we haven’t we’ve finished 5th,9th, and 9th. Good listen that I encourage anyone to hear.

Point I’m making is I hope we do clear out some deadwood at seasons end but maybe it is beneficial to stick strong in the long run


Chicken or egg?

Did those teams make the 8 because they didnt make many changes, or did they not need to make many changes because they had a top 8 quality team?

Exactly right.

Not exactly, no.

What it indicates most is that those teams understand the dark arts of roster management. The key components. Recruitment, development retention, rotation and rebuilding.
Melbourne have been in 4 rebuilds since they started, And about 3 in the time under Bellamy. But you wouldn’t know about it.

That is the point they are trying to make.
That continuity is the key but the key is knowing which components need tweaking what is the expiration date of players and how they can be replaced whilst winning.
Roosters have been through the same process however, under robinsons rule they had a rebuild year. However since 2016 they’ve managed to rotate the roster, either or not by their choice. I honestly thought last year was going to be another 2016 for them but they still remained incredibly repetitive.

Doesn’t seem like a coincidence to me.

That's what I meant! I'm not saying it's easy to keep a strong roster but it's a lot easier if you've got a strong roster to start with. There aren't enough quality players available to swap out more than a couple of players at a time. Take SOO for example. NSW didn't make too many changes to the side that got beat last year and they didn't really pick too many debutants either but having Turbo and Latrell together with Teddy at the back made them unbeatable. They built on a very strong base though. Conversely, QLD were a bit short of their best due to injury and even though most had played SOO before, they were never really in it because they weren't that great a side to begin with.

Neither agree or disagree there. The NSW side this year was a lot closer to the Game 2 side of 2019 then the game 3 side of last year in my opinion.
More than ‘a couple of changes’ were made but most importantly players in form experiencing a winning feeling were picked. Really interesting how that team managed to play the same way a lot of the dominant teams have played this year despite the referees not getting involved much to effect the momentum of the game.
There was no evidence of the new rules contributing to that result but yet that game 1 score line makes you believe otherwise.
How did it come about in a game as tight as origin is supposed to be.
The only thing I can think of is the form and confidence of those key players must be that high that they were willing to take the risks that aren’t usually seen in origin. There was no second guessing in decision making and every movement or play was crisp and support was at an all time high.
NSW played the perfect game of the new style of play but yet not one of the new rule changes affected that result.

 

[clontarfkid]

This TPJ signing/not signing has become a mini saga. Can we just get a yes or no by the end of the week please

Think were getting played..again.
Dogs,Cowboys interested...but suspect Storm and Roosters also assessing whether their coaches can coach him..which opens up a whole newball game for him
Wldnt hold yr breath
Finucane wld have only one suitor for a 3-4 year contract at his age..sure hope it aint us
Unfussed if we get neither,,focus shld be a speedy top draw centre to accompany Oliver

 

[twentyforty]

This TPJ signing/not signing has become a mini saga. Can we just get a yes or no by the end of the week please

Think were getting played..again.
Dogs,Cowboys interested...but suspect Storm and Roosters also assessing whether their coaches can coach him..which opens up a whole newball game for him
Wldnt hold yr breath
Finucane wld have only one suitor for a 3-4 year contract at his age..sure hope it aint us
Unfussed if we get neither,,focus shld be a speedy top draw centre to accompany Oliver

I doubt chooks will sign Pangai after Robinson quoted saying they don’t want his type? Apparently Finucane is ok with a 2 year deal conditional on him having a third with player option. Cowboys have offered him 2 years. Can’t see a 30yo Backrower getting 4years. I think we’re in the box seat with Pangai.

 

[happy_tiger]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

I agree , but I can't see us developing the next Dale Finucane

Maybe we could find the next Dale Finucane and then send him to Bellamy for 2 years

 

[clontarfkid]

This TPJ signing/not signing has become a mini saga. Can we just get a yes or no by the end of the week please

Think were getting played..again.
Dogs,Cowboys interested...but suspect Storm and Roosters also assessing whether their coaches can coach him..which opens up a whole newball game for him
Wldnt hold yr breath
Finucane wld have only one suitor for a 3-4 year contract at his age..sure hope it aint us
Unfussed if we get neither,,focus shld be a speedy top draw centre to accompany Oliver


I doubt chooks will sign Pangai after Robinson quoted saying they don’t want his type? Apparently Finucane is ok with a 2 year deal conditional on him having a third with player option. Cowboys have offered him 2 years. Can’t see a 30yo Backrower getting 4years. I think we’re in the box seat with Pangai.

So Robinsons type is Victor Radley...JWH...hmmmm
Coaches like Robison/Bennett and Bellamy can usually work with TPJ types(JWH was a shocker..Radley still is) and get em into line..plus JWH needs replacing as an enforcer probably end 2022.
If u see TPJ in a shiny new ford then...
Is be surprised if Roosters,in desperate need of forwards,wldnt be somewhat interested

 

[happy_tiger]

Once you have the majority of the right players you need in the key positions of course you will have smaller rollover of talent

So we are keeping 3 and turning over 27 ...as someone suggested

 

[twentyforty]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

I agree , but I can't see us developing the next Dale Finucane

Maybe we could find the next Dale Finucane and then send him to Bellamy for 2 years

And when they return, send them to Penrith? Have to think of another title other than pathways? Got it!! “Highways”

 

[happy_tiger]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

I agree , but I can't see us developing the next Dale Finucane

Maybe we could find the next Dale Finucane and then send him to Bellamy for 2 years


And when they return, send them to Penrith? Have to think of another title other than pathways? Got it!! “Highways”

Sign and say a prayer .......

 

[Demps]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

I agree , but I can't see us developing the next Dale Finucane

Maybe we could find the next Dale Finucane and then send him to Bellamy for 2 years


And when they return, send them to Penrith? Have to think of another title other than pathways? Got it!! “Highways”

Speaking of Penrith...

With Cleary out for a few weeks, hopefully they drop a few games.
And despite all their foundations and whatnot, surely their window is closing.

Couldn't get it done last year...
Maybe they will this year?
If not.... clubs come sniffing, sign a few of their stars, their depth is depleting with dogs Signing a few of their nexts in line.