Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[tiger_one]

Here below is an extract from Phil Gould:
( https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/phil-gould-canterbury-bulldogs-plan-general-manager-appointment/25b44dc7-a4b6-41aa-815a-fd631967d28f?ocid=Social-NRLFS&fbclid=IwAR2SJB6by2gco-Z_KXGO6jYpJyFYNiQuhsh376-nOCkflH1h7xwisEd74gI)

"You've got to develop. I think every club has got to develop. And in the short term, if you don't have those player pathways producing talent, then you do have to recruit," Gould said.

"Even at the Panthers, our aim was 80 per cent of the roster to have come to us as teenagers and the Panthers academy. Then there would always be marquee purchases on top of that over the years to compliment what you want. So, you're always picking around with marquee signings.

"If your development program is producing the talent then you're only ever worried about marquee signings at the top of the roster and it gives you a chance to do it because you have so much value in the fellas you've produced. Now, every club should be doing that."

So back to us here at Wests Tigers:
Well, I'd say the Bulldogs are in catch up to us - Hartigan & Co have been on the right track for 18 months in focusing on the young talent, and this will ramp up when the COE is completed and Sheens' pathways work comes on board too.
The route to success is a slow burn sometimes and yes, it's been ages since we've really held our own but I can see we're on the up and up.
Keep the faith.

 

[Rowdy12]

@avocadoontoast @GNR4LIFE
Spot on. This place is so used to mediocrity. Mentality needs to change. We would be wetting ourselves if we signed Burton and fox for nxt yr.
Think about it, we are less attractive than the Bulldogs. The old cap cheating, pisshead mad Monday having, sex scandals with schoolgirl Bulldogs.

Look at the top 4. How many players have they signed for 800k+ in the last few years?

There was an article a year or ago showing that souths and the roosters had signed more current origin players then the rest of the comp combined over the last 10 years. So I’d say quiet a few

Did they pay them 800k plus per season? Or did they manage their salary cap better?

Yes they would have and we all know the answer as to how

 

[mario_chalmers 0]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-tevita-pangai-junior-in-final-throes-of-move-to-bulldogs/news-story/d07df1106045b2525a1317a3051ea6eb can anyone get access to this Brent Read article and post here?

Reference to St George coming back in for Moses. I hope the benefit of us not getting TPJ is that we can front load Mbye contract and move him on for 2022.

Mbye was owed between $800-$900k per year for 2021 and 2022. If we pay him $1.4mill of that total in 2021 then it will ease pressure on the 2022 cap?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Wait till Tim Sheens comes along..

I am more than sure he has a wild, aggressive front rower or two from England that he's been looking at...

A mystery prop perhaps ?

Aaron Woods perhaps

 

[mario_chalmers 0]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-tevita-pangai-junior-in-final-throes-of-move-to-bulldogs/news-story/d07df1106045b2525a1317a3051ea6eb can anyone get access to this Brent Read article and post here?

Reference to St George coming back in for Moses. I hope the benefit of us not getting TPJ is that we can front load Mbye contract and move him on for 2022.

Mbye was owed between $800-$900k per year for 2021 and 2022. If we pay him $1.4mill of that total in 2021 then it will ease pressure on the 2022 cap?

Canterbury are on the verge of landing the prized signature of Tevita Pangai Junior and a deal for Paul Vaughan could be only days away as head of football Phil Gould kicks off his new stint at the club with two major signings.

Pangai Junior has been locked in talks with both the Bulldogs and Wests Tigers but a final decision on his future has been delayed as he finalises the terms of his departure from the Broncos.

It is understood Brisbane struck an agreement with Pangai Junior on Monday night, clearing the way for him to make an immediate departure.

The Bulldogs’ interest is primarily for next season, meaning there is a chance Pangai Junior could finish this year at another club before joining Canterbury in 2022.


Regardless, The Australian was told that Canterbury had won the day with Pangai and he would form part of a new-look pack next season with former St George Illawarra prop Vaughan, who is on the lookout for a home after parting ways with the Dragons.

The Tigers were the initial favourites to land Pangai when The Australian first revealed some weeks ago that he been granted permission to go to the open market.

They then backed out of the race before re-entering at the 11th hour. However, their bid looks to have come up short as the Bulldogs continue their impressive rebuild heading into next year.

Pangai Junior will give them a powerful forward presence to complement the signings of Matt Dufty, Josh Addo-Carr and Matt Burton.

The next step for the Pangai camp will be to work out where to finish what is left of this season. If not the Bulldogs, Pangai Junior is likely to look for a club with something to play for.

Only a handful of sides would have the financial artillery to afford him even though the season has only three months to run. Parramatta are one of the few clubs with money to spend but have been linked with his Broncos teammate Anthony Milford.

While Pangai Junior edges towards the Bulldogs, Vaughan’s signature is being held up while Canterbury seek some clarity from the NRL around the conditions of his contract and how it would affect the eight-match ban he has been given for hosting



a party at his Shellharbour home a fortnight ago.

The next two weeks are set to be frantic as clubs scramble to sign players in the lead-up to the August 1 deadline. Pangai’s final decision will leave Melbourne forward Dale Finucane as the most prominent player yet to decide his future.

Finucane has a handful of clubs vying for his services and he is expected to make a final call later this week on where he will head next season.

Gold Coast, Newcastle and North Queensland lead the race for the NSW State of Origin representative, although St George Illawarra have also thrown their hat in the ring with the money they saved by sacking Vaughan.

The Dragons are also believed to be monitoring Wests Tigers utility Moses Mbye, having failed with a bid to take him some months ago.

St George Illawarra made an initial approach for Mbye some months ago but their offer was rejected by the Tigers. It seems hard to believe the Tigers will knock back a second approach and sources close to the Dragons confirmed they retained an interest in the former Queensland State of Origin player.

Mbye has one year remaining on a contract that pays him more than $800,000 a season and the Tigers would likely have to foot a fair chunk of that salary if he was to join the Dragons.

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Cant believe Mbye is on that much. Probably one of the worst signings in the NRL era. He was never ever worth that much.

 

[TYGA]

We should frontload Mbye for next year and have Dragons take the rest off our hands cop the hit now and add no one this year.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

agree put the remaining on Mmbye's salary for this year and let him go minimise the hit for 2022 we are not buying anyone this year anyway not now

 

[boonboon]

100% agree we have 500k in the cap this yr and dragons take him for 300k and we open another 800k on our cap for next year and have Packer, Mbye, BJ all off our cap and plenty to spend.

Still think our best options are

Tapine
Klemmer
Watson
Lane/niukore

And i reckon all of them are available

 

[Guest]

What's the deal with the constant comparisons to the Bulldogs.
Why does anyone on here give a rats what the Bulldogs do?

 

[Needaname]

signings.
“If your development program is producing the talent then you’re only ever worried about marquee signings at the top of the roster and it gives you a chance to do it because you have so much value in the fellas you’ve produced. Now, every club should be doing that.”

This is the thing though. Up until very recent years we have not had a competitive junior team as in our Jersey Flegg. I’m still not even sure how talented or how competitive our junior teams and base are beyond that.
I know since Madge has arrived they have put a lot of effort in that space and are moving in the right direction.

A lot different to Penrith though.
Even before their so called 5 year plan they had talented Juniors in Gordon, Jennings and Waterhouse all of which were representative players at one time in their careers. The talent, depth and catchment scale has always been there at the Panthers, they just needed to put it all together.

As far as Marquee signings go. They started with Cinoreceva followed by Soward and Wallace, went to Merrin in his prime, followed by Tamou in his prime and finally Maloney in his prime.
Of all that Gould mentioned in his article. The Panthers have had the luxury of adding top line Marquees to complement their top team. The scale of the talent recruited increased as the team got more respect in the league by becoming more competitive through the years.

 

[tiger_one]

What's the deal with the constant comparisons to the Bulldogs.
Why does anyone on here give a rats what the Bulldogs do?

Champion @Dwight-Schrute, the reference to the Phil Gould article was, in my mind, not so much about the Bulldogs club, but more about the methodology of clubs like the Panthers, Warriors and the Bulldogs in their development and recruitment processes.
And moreover, how we are doing things.

 

[tiger_one]

@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1421054):

"The scale of the talent recruited increased as the team got more respect in the league by becoming more competitive through the years."

Now this is exactly what I see happening with us in the seasons ahead.

 

[SeanT]

What's the deal with the constant comparisons to the Bulldogs.
Why does anyone on here give a rats what the Bulldogs do?

Because it's interesting how it will work out. We did the same thing with less quality layers and look how that turned out. They are buying some.players that are questionable not in their ability but there effort and off field demeanor. Bulldogs are trying to buy there way out where we are developing a system like the Storm where we go after youth and players who fit a certain type we want.

Pangai would of been ok at 550-600k not at the reported 730k. But he still is inconsistent and gets rubbed out of games alot. Prefer others honestly. Garner needs to be a depth though so we need to be on the lookout for a decent second rower or develop one.

 

[Guest]

What's the deal with the constant comparisons to the Bulldogs.
Why does anyone on here give a rats what the Bulldogs do?


Champion @Dwight-Schrute, the reference to the Phil Gould article was, in my mind, not so much about the Bulldogs club, but more about the methodology of clubs like the Panthers, Warriors and the Bulldogs in their development and recruitment processes.
And moreover, how we are doing things.

I was talking more in general regarding this thread and the TPJ thread. It wasn't aimed at your comment.
As an aside I was watching Mr Inbetween the other day and learned that in prison lingo calling someone "champion" or "champ" is the same as calling him a male appendage sucker.

 

[cqtiger]

Can any players soon off contract tackle?

That’s all I want, players who can tackle.

 

[Goanna57]

People’s thoughts on this guy
Off contract at the end of the year
Good replacement for BJ and Roberts

Sharks fans call him "Shitroti".

Yep rubbish. Slow as a pregnant wombat. We are eyeing up Okunbor

Just as bad. He’s shite

Surely no truth to Okunbor. Bulldogs have the worst backline in the competition and he can hardly make the FG side.

The only signings we’re likely to sign will be other clubs discards, so Okunbor makes sense (unless another club shows mild interest)

You do realise TPJ is another club's discard right? As is Corey Allan, as well as Kyle Flanagan.

So what did I say was wrong?

Well aren't you criticising the club for getting other club's discards but also saying how awesome the dogs recruitment plan is?

JAC and Burton aren’t discards. And TPJ wants out (and the Broncos are obliging).

Dogs recruitment has been proactive and Gould is an excellent appointment. If the signings gel they’ll be a vastly superior team to this year.

We’re more of a known quantity. With the exception of a couple of ESL players we’ve signed no one. We can go into another season without any expectation.

TPJ doesn't want out, Broncos are so happy for him to leave, they'll be paying part of his salary next year.

They will need to be vastly superior because as bad as we're going, they are EIGHT points behind us.

We're not finished yet. Laurie signed with us in November. AD signed in January. Be Patient.

Patient is a word that needs to be banned. We’ve been waiting since 2011. Stick your patience.

Cool, that's the Bulldogs plan and our plan in 2017. Lets see how it works for the Bulldogs.

How do you think our plan of signing no NRL players will work out?

When we signed Stefano and Laurie they weren’t NRL players either. The approach we have taken is far lower risk than the Bulldogs, but will also take time to pay dividends.

The only real class signings they have is Burton and JAC who is a winger. They are spending lots of money on guys with big question marks over them, much like we did a few seasons back. It might work, it might not, but what we are building will funnel players to our NRL squad for years to come.

Laurie and Stefano are solid hands, no doubt. But they aren’t players that are going to catapult us into contenders. When you are reduced to having to buy players at pauper prices, you are always bound to find a diamond. The only problem is, they aren’t good enough to do it on theor own

No they aren’t, but you pick up 2 or 3 of those guys every year and you build the squad and work your way up the ladder. It’s pretty much the way the Panthers got to where they are. It’s not the fast route but it’s more sustainable than spending big $.

I understand why people are over waiting, but the last thing I want to see is the club end up crippled again by panic buying.

Well said.

That's the truth of the issue. Emotion removed.

It's a long road but the only road we have. Unless we get lucky and someone falls into our lap.

Why is it the only road we have , why should we rely on luck . It’s about this clubs inability to recruit quality players

 

[Russell]

Bulldogs forum going on about how were in depression about TPJ and that we are a shit club. I hope they continue saying that at the end of the season with the wooden spoon in one hand ????

I’d happily take the wooden spoon this year if we had made the signings they have for next year, plus Gus. Not sure what you are laughing at. How are we looking next year?

Ah. Mr Dorian Grey I assume?

 

[Don Kershane]

Dead end Lane.

 

[tiger_one]

What's the deal with the constant comparisons to the Bulldogs.
Why does anyone on here give a rats what the Bulldogs do?


Champion @Dwight-Schrute, the reference to the Phil Gould article was, in my mind, not so much about the Bulldogs club, but more about the methodology of clubs like the Panthers, Warriors and the Bulldogs in their development and recruitment processes.
And moreover, how we are doing things.

I was talking more in general regarding this thread and the TPJ thread. It wasn't aimed at your comment.
As an aside I was watching Mr Inbetween the other day and learned that in prison lingo calling someone "champion" or "champ" is the same as calling him a male appendage sucker.

Guess I'm lucky this conversation isn't in prison then, hahaha

 

[pawsandclaws1]

100% agree we have 500k in the cap this yr and dragons take him for 300k and we open another 800k on our cap for next year and have Packer, Mbye, BJ all off our cap and plenty to spend.

Still think our best options are

Tapine
Klemmer
Watson
Lane/niukore

And i reckon all of them are available

I believe one of our players from Flegg could play the role Watson plays for the Knights from the interchange. I won't name him but he is tough, fast, skillful, can finish, has strong defence and is competitive.